Lighten up you climate doomers!

Just thought I'd add a little perspective to the discussion going on. Here's a representation of the gases that make up Earths atmosphere.



And for further clarity I'd just like to point out that that the Earths atmosphere weighs about 5.5 quadrillion tons.

We're arguing about whether pissing in the ocean is causing coastal flooding.

a reply to: TheAiIsLying

You've never seen me pee.



(Unless you're on my Only Page Site)

oh so carbon from a volcanic eruption causes warming but manmade carbon emissions dont cause warming? man, carbon sure is whimsical isn't it?

originally posted by: namehere
oh so carbon from a volcanic eruption causes warming but manmade carbon emissions dont cause warming? man, carbon sure is whimsical isn't it?

FAILFAILFAILFAILFAIL

You didn't read the OP Kitten.

It was an undersea volcano, just water vapor.

Ever been in a sauna?

The climate change we are experiencing has many contributing factors. We can only reduce what we are doing wrong that adds to the peril. But they are only focusing on carbon, the toxic chemistry flowing into the environment from our desire to have an easy life is causing way more degradation of the environment than greenhouse chemistry. We have to stop poisoning the environment with all the unnatural chemistry thrown on fields and in our sewer water and other things like that. They seem to be largely ignoring this and are focusing on trying to say cows farts and us driving to work and the store to get groceries is what needs to be addressed. Taking the trip on a jet, or even driving cross country to go visit people or see sights, that is not need, that is want....they do not attack that, they pick on little things we need to live to tax, not the stuff we want. Just because you recycle a little plastic does not mean we can make billions of tons of it a year. Plastics are bad for the environment, they should tax the crap out of plastics...everything is plastic instead of natural materials these days. That biodegradable plastic they are making is not very biodegradable either, it flunked real tests for breaking down.

a reply to: TheAiIsLying

No. Just because something exists in trace amounts does not mean its insignificant. Also it is up from 0.028% as a direct result of our fossil fuel use and will be over 0.05% by the end of most of our lives

This argument is only made by those ignorant of science and basic chemistry.

CO2 Makes Up Just 0.04% of Earth's Atmosphere. Here's Why Its Impact Is So Massive

a reply to: jrod

What level of CO2 do we need to have the perfect climate?

a reply to: DBCowboy


It's Always Been the Sun Little Darling
............

a reply to: DBCowboy

they dont know, and will never answer because even the dimmest bulb knows its at best a bad guess.

We do know what level it cannot go below, odd that nobody wants to talk about that.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: TheAiIsLying

You've never seen me pee.

(Unless you're on my Only Page Site)

I judge no man on how he earns a living in this world.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: TheAiIsLying

No. Just because something exists in trace amounts does not mean its insignificant. Also it is up from 0.028% as a direct result of our fossil fuel use and will be over 0.05% by the end of most of our lives

This argument is only made by those ignorant of science and basic chemistry.

CO2 Makes Up Just 0.04% of Earth's Atmosphere. Here's Why Its Impact Is So Massive

Science Alert. Now that's a calm, measured website if I ever saw one. I like the picture of a forest fire right at the beginning of the article. About as subtle using power station cooling towers and inferring it's smoke instead of water vapor. How much carbon dioxide do you reckon was released by that fire, by the way?

And yes, the figures you quote are in fact insignificant. A tiny percentage of a tiny percentage is indeed a tiny percentage. But all of that is irrelevant anyway, because despite the insistence of the Science Is Settled crowd there is no clear proof that an increase in CO2 is in any way linked to higher global temperatures. The ice core samples showed CO2 levels trailing temperature changes, not the other way round.

Sometimes a house gets warmer even when the central heating is turned off. Does this prove that its central heating does not work? Of course not. Perhaps it’s a hot day outside, or the oven’s been left on for hours.

Just as there’s more than one way to heat a house, so there’s more than one way to heat a planet.

Ice cores from Antarctica show that at the end of recent ice ages, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere usually started to rise only after temperatures had begun to climb. There is uncertainty about the timings, partly because the air trapped in the cores is younger than the ice, but it appears the lags might sometimes have been 800 years or more.

This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages – but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet.

www.newscientist.com... l-warming/

Now New Scientist is just as bad as Science Alert, but even they have to admit this, albeit still adding the heat doom theme.

I'm not the slightest bit concerned about carbon dioxide levels or anything else I have no control over. If you want to, well go ahead. I won't stop you.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Too long to go into, really and I don't feel the need to share.

Why haven't you answered my questions?

No matter my answer to your question will suffice. You see if I give you data you agree with , you will take that as me patronizing you . If I give you data you disagree with , you will continue to argue your point.
I have no point minus one & ill clear this up & we can move forward hopefully & away we go to question number one
Is man made global warming real ?
Number two
Is global warming solely a natural cycle of earth ?
Number three
Could man made pollution cause natural greenhouse factors to be worse ?
Number four
Could all factors that cause global warming be happening independent of each other ?

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DBCowboy

Also, another apparently little known fact:

It gets hot in the Summer.

Here in the UK it just gets wet.

originally posted by: shinzaun

originally posted by: Itherael

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Itherael

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Itherael

No, because it hasn't had any measurable effect, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-ght?

Because the media and governments have been using a volcano eruption to push their anti-freedom agendas, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-ght?

So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that we should not consider the rise in concentrations of other green house gases and any impact they have on global temperatures, butttttt you want to single out atmospheric water vapor, and make the claim that it is solely responsible for the changes we are seeing? I got that right hoss?

Can you send me a copy of this anti-freedom agenda? I must have missed it.

Did you actually read the OP?

The volcano,

Volcano

eruption is actually responsible for the spike in temps.

I can maybe draw pictures if that might help. . .

lol, Volcano hot, therefore atmosphere get more hot? Right, hoss? Yes, the eruption injected an extreme amount of water vapor, a greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere that may contribute to climate change. Your OP tries to paint this as the ONLY reason we are experiencing warmer temperatures and we should stop worrying. Science will tell you are wrong on this, and this a multi-faceted problem.

So, trying to intentionally mislead or what?

Edit to save your OP for posterity.

That's why it's been so miserable here lately. It's not fossil fuels, it's not running your air conditioning or running your lawn mower or eating #ing meat!

Water vapor, greenhouse effect.

Science.

The media, social media, the governments have been lying to all of us.

And some of you just eat that up like it's chocolate pudding!

Stop.
Panicking.

Quit it.

Just stop.

Maybe you should check out the temp increases throughout the rest of the solar system.
The SUN is the cause for all of this, the sun is way more active today than it was a hundred years ago, the sun produces more heat/radiation/EM fields, our planet (along with all the others) warms up, the polar ice begins to melt releasing trapped carbon into the atmosphere which in turn warms the planet further.
I'm not saying that we as a race are completely innocent of any harm against our glorious world, we are and will continue to be because we are allowed no other alternatives. I do mean not allowed.
What's happening now on earth, has happened before (before we were even a thing), it WILL happen again as its all a cycle

The Sun isnt the cause as the suns power output has been slghtly decreasing the last 65 years but only by about 0.3%. It rose 1% from 1700 to 1950 but has been on a downward trend since then despite the Earth continuing to warm.

The runaway warming of ice caps melting, gulf stream dropping out etc is all correct but the Sun only accounts for 10 - 15% of the warming over the last 100+ years.

Climate/specific heat capacity of atmospheric gases and how long they take to degrade are the determining factors as evidenced by Venus being so much hotter than Mercury.

mind control

Earth climate before haarp influence was closed loop system.

Norway spiral effects of haarp heating night sky?


I think obammy got the peace prize the same week?

a reply to: DBCowboy

en.m.wikipedia.org...

I'll just leave this here to muddy the tepid waters.

Also come on it's obviously the aliens from the Charlie Sheen "Arrival" rather than the Amy Adams "Arrival".

That new one is so bad, old one is gold!

Well let me see. Scientists reckon at the moment that the CO2 concentrate in the atmosphere is running at .04%. So according to them we've got to knock that down, net zero don't you know. BBBUUUTTT, if it drops to .02% or less humans, animals and plants die of. Not just temporarily but permanently. So yeah, lets play about with an essential life giving gas.

PS. for you looking at NASAs figures they've calculated that the sun is going into a solar minimum from 2024, leading to a very very cold period on Earth for a number of decades.

1540 European drought - Extreme drought and heatwave lasting 11 months in Europe.
July 1743 heatwave in China - Beijing reached 44.4 °C (111.9 °F) on July 25, higher than any modern records. 11,400 people reportedly died.[1]
July 1757 heatwave – Europe, hottest summer in Europe since 1540 and until 2003.[2][3][4]

Source

Not that Wiki is the "best" source..Just some temps before the Industrial Revolution..

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Too long to go into, really and I don't feel the need to share.

Why haven't you answered my questions?

No matter my answer to your question will suffice. You see if I give you data you agree with , you will take that as me patronizing you . If I give you data you disagree with , you will continue to argue your point.
I have no point minus one & ill clear this up & we can move forward hopefully & away we go to question number one
Is man made global warming real ?don't know, the climate changes and always has, likely always will.
Number two
Is global warming solely a natural cycle of earth ? Could be, until the models can be proven (work in reverse and be accurate) it's all just a guess.
Number three
Could man made pollution cause natural greenhouse factors to be worse ? Possible, but man made pollution will have much more localized effects and should be curtailed as much as possible, just because it makes sense.
Number four
Could all factors that cause global warming be happening independent of each other ? Yes

I'll add one for you.

Knowing that we know very little about the Oceans, is there any chance that the Global Climate is much more complicated than cow farts causing too much C02, which we all need to keep at some arbitrary level?

And the bonus question
What is the ideal C02 level and why?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Too long to go into, really and I don't feel the need to share.

Why haven't you answered my questions?

No matter my answer to your question will suffice. You see if I give you data you agree with , you will take that as me patronizing you . If I give you data you disagree with , you will continue to argue your point.
I have no point minus one & ill clear this up & we can move forward hopefully & away we go to question number one
Is man made global warming real ?don't know, the climate changes and always has, likely always will.
Number two
Is global warming solely a natural cycle of earth ? Could be, until the models can be proven (work in reverse and be accurate) it's all just a guess.
Number three
Could man made pollution cause natural greenhouse factors to be worse ? Possible, but man made pollution will have much more localized effects and should be curtailed as much as possible, just because it makes sense.
Number four
Could all factors that cause global warming be happening independent of each other ? Yes

I'll add one for you.

Knowing that we know very little about the Oceans, is there any chance that the Global Climate is much more complicated than cow farts causing too much C02, which we all need to keep at some arbitrary level?

And the bonus question
What is the ideal C02 level and why?

It’s frustrating in the fact that we get so many accredited scientists telling us opposite theories.
Im in the camp that manmade global warming is not as bad as progressives think . I also find it very irresponsible to ignore manmade pollution as truly harmful.