Lighten up you climate doomers!

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Also because of this, rain can happen on the coast and at sea with low relative humidity when the sea state is high with strong winds because of all the salt from the sea spray gives extra particles for clouds to form.

Saharan dust however is an inhibitor of storms, especially hurricanes.

It is interesting that perfectly clean air would make life impossible. Given this planet is volcanically active, there is always some background particles that get mixed into the atmosphere and around the world.

No volcanos mean no life on this planet.

originally posted by: jrod
Generally large volcanic eruptions are cooling events because of a "dimming effect", Tonga Tonga was different because there was not much SO2 to cause dimming, but an enormous amount of water vapor "injected" into the upper atmosphere. The extra water vapor from Tonga Tonga is temporary and primarily an issue in the southern hemisphere.

While water is a powerful green house, the water cycle is extremely short and not significant as it will quickly balance out. In other words the residence time of H20 in the atmosphere is extremely short, while CO2 is extremely long.

That said water vapor is a by product of combustion as is CO2. Human sources of these green house gasses are much greater than volcanic out put, even when there is a major eruption.

It is comical that you guys will acknowledge a volcanic eruption can cause global warming or cooling consequences(generally when a great land volcano blows), yet still refuse to accept all the CO2(and H20 vapor) from burning fossil fuels also effects the global climate.

This is the first time in modern times a great underwater volcano erupted and his information in invaluable to understanding the Earth's geographic and atmospheric trends.

Because Tonga Tonga caused a temporary warming, does not mean human contributions to the "greenhouse effect" is insignificant.

Awesome comment & I agree with your logic .
Good luck with your logic in Texas , where global warming is just water vapor caused .

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Itherael
a reply to: DBCowboy

lol.

Thank you for acknowledging that water vapor, a greenhouse gas, has an impact on the atmosphere and global temperatures. So you must also acknowledge that alongside water vapor, other greenhouse gases also contribute to the atmospheric composition that affects global temperatures.... righttttttt?

So if acknowledge this fact, then you must be equally concerned about the rise in other greenhouse gases and their contribution to the raise in global temperatures.....riggghhtttt?

So, you must also be particularly concerned about those those that have similar atmospheric concentrations at water vapor and reeeeeeeeee-ally wored about those with greater thermal retention properties....riggghtttt?

Science.

Not!

"Other greenhouse gases" released by human activity is shown to be NEGLIGIBLE as compared with natural causes.

But those other negligible gases are latched onto by LIARS who wish to grow the already immense size of government for even MORE control.

Your side= Let's vote yes on banning pizza ovens and gasoline! (while drooling the chocolate pudding from your mouths)
You really should wake up and see that is what is happening.

Why can’t both reasons exist as to the culprit ? Oh yeah , it’s political

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Itherael

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Itherael

No, because it hasn't had any measurable effect, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-ght?

Because the media and governments have been using a volcano eruption to push their anti-freedom agendas, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-ght?

So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that we should not consider the rise in concentrations of other green house gases and any impact they have on global temperatures, butttttt you want to single out atmospheric water vapor, and make the claim that it is solely responsible for the changes we are seeing? I got that right hoss?

Can you send me a copy of this anti-freedom agenda? I must have missed it.

Did you actually read the OP?

The volcano,

Volcano

eruption is actually responsible for the spike in temps.

I can maybe draw pictures if that might help. . .

You do understand that if the carbon pollution wasn’t so bad , then the volcano would have not create even more atmospheric heat .
It would be like saying you saw a run back for a TD in the opening kickoff in football , then believing that is the only way to score points in a football game while denying running , passing & kicking for points as a valid way to win a game ?

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Itherael
a reply to: DBCowboy

lol.

Thank you for acknowledging that water vapor, a greenhouse gas, has an impact on the atmosphere and global temperatures. So you must also acknowledge that alongside water vapor, other greenhouse gases also contribute to the atmospheric composition that affects global temperatures.... righttttttt?

So if acknowledge this fact, then you must be equally concerned about the rise in other greenhouse gases and their contribution to the raise in global temperatures.....riggghhtttt?

So, you must also be particularly concerned about those those that have similar atmospheric concentrations at water vapor and reeeeeeeeee-ally wored about those with greater thermal retention properties....riggghtttt?

Science.

Not!

"Other greenhouse gases" released by human activity is shown to be NEGLIGIBLE as compared with natural causes.

But those other negligible gases are latched onto by LIARS who wish to grow the already immense size of government for even MORE control.

Your side= Let's vote yes on banning pizza ovens and gasoline! (while drooling the chocolate pudding from your mouths)
You really should wake up and see that is what is happening.

Why can’t both reasons exist as to the culprit ? Oh yeah , it’s political

I agree, why can't just the truth be what is reported? Instead of banning people from living. The people trying to ban everything and force others to live by their "RULE" is more than political, it's a battle for control and the domination of others, it is NOT to make the world a better place, or the world would already be a better place. It's about money and power.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: DBCowboy

Beyond my knowledge.
But it does seem possible that particulates and smoke may attract water droplets?

Possibly.

Dunno.

Since I have a few of you Climey's on this thread, please tell me the exact level of CO2 required for no extreme temperatures and mild weather year round.

Also, why hasn't the media, the governments also been saying that this underwater volcano might have had something to do with the heat waves, instead of encouraging draconian government policies and telling us to eat bugs?

Thanks in advance.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Itherael
a reply to: DBCowboy

lol.

Thank you for acknowledging that water vapor, a greenhouse gas, has an impact on the atmosphere and global temperatures. So you must also acknowledge that alongside water vapor, other greenhouse gases also contribute to the atmospheric composition that affects global temperatures.... righttttttt?

So if acknowledge this fact, then you must be equally concerned about the rise in other greenhouse gases and their contribution to the raise in global temperatures.....riggghhtttt?

So, you must also be particularly concerned about those those that have similar atmospheric concentrations at water vapor and reeeeeeeeee-ally wored about those with greater thermal retention properties....riggghtttt?

Science.

Not!

"Other greenhouse gases" released by human activity is shown to be NEGLIGIBLE as compared with natural causes.

But those other negligible gases are latched onto by LIARS who wish to grow the already immense size of government for even MORE control.

Your side= Let's vote yes on banning pizza ovens and gasoline! (while drooling the chocolate pudding from your mouths)
You really should wake up and see that is what is happening.

Why can’t both reasons exist as to the culprit ? Oh yeah , it’s political

I agree, why can't just the truth be what is reported? Instead of banning people from living. The people trying to ban everything and force others to live by their "RULE" is more than political, it's a battle for control and the domination of others, it is NOT to make the world a better place, or the world would already be a better place. It's about money and power.

Yes it is sad . Both Democrats & Republicans make money on climate crisis or climate denial while the truth dies in the middle.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I love you, dont ever change.



ETA: dont remember which is was but saw a congressman break out some science in a meeting with the epa I think, he said the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is so low that if it went much lower scientists say plants would start to die.

Textbook cognitive dissidence.

Dissidence

Disagreement, as of opinion or belief; dissent.

Difference or separation in opinion; disagreement; dissent.

Disagreement; dissent; separation from the established religion.

cognitive dissonance.

noun

The psychological tension that occurs when one holds mutually exclusive beliefs or attitudes and that often motivates people to modify their thoughts or behaviors in order to reduce the tension.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Since I have a few of you Climey's on this thread, please tell me the exact level of CO2 required for no extreme temperatures and mild weather year round.

Also, why hasn't the media, the governments also been saying that this underwater volcano might have had something to do with the heat waves, instead of encouraging draconian government policies and telling us to eat bugs?

Thanks in advance.

Can you agree that if global carbon warming was lower , then the volcano would have not caused such a jump in global temperatures ?
Why are you name calling “ Climey’s “
If a house is burning down & someone throws gas on it , your logic would be that the gas caused the fire & the prior fire was nothing of concern ?
Im not attacking your idea about the volcano as I agree with it , but your stance of “ it’s the reason alone “ makes no sense to me .
Can you explain your stance differently or is it just me ?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: DBCowboy

Beyond my knowledge.
But it does seem possible that particulates and smoke may attract water droplets?

Possibly.

Dunno.

Dunno is the truth you need to adhere to .

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Since I have a few of you Climey's on this thread, please tell me the exact level of CO2 required for no extreme temperatures and mild weather year round.

Also, why hasn't the media, the governments also been saying that this underwater volcano might have had something to do with the heat waves, instead of encouraging draconian government policies and telling us to eat bugs?

Thanks in advance.

Can you agree that if global carbon warming was lower , then the volcano would have not caused such a jump in global temperatures ?

No.

Why are you name calling “ Climey’s “

Because I have arthritis and typing, "Bootlicking Marxist anti-freedom toadies" is too long.

If a house is burning down & someone throws gas on it , your logic would be that the gas caused the fire & the prior fire was nothing of concern ?

Strawman utter fail.

Im not attacking your idea about the volcano as I agree with it , but your stance of “ it’s the reason alone “ makes no sense to me .
Can you explain your stance differently or is it just me ?

It's you. And government and media.

And no one has answered my questions yet.

I answered yours.

Vulcanism can and does contribute to weather with particulate matter in the atmosphere.

volcano.si.edu...

And when Yellowstone blows we could experience continuous winter for years... Just a matter of time....

www.usgs.gov...

Political parties won't mean jack sh!t when it happens. I wish it would hurry....

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Since I have a few of you Climey's on this thread, please tell me the exact level of CO2 required for no extreme temperatures and mild weather year round.

Also, why hasn't the media, the governments also been saying that this underwater volcano might have had something to do with the heat waves, instead of encouraging draconian government policies and telling us to eat bugs?

Thanks in advance.

Can you agree that if global carbon warming was lower , then the volcano would have not caused such a jump in global temperatures ?

No.

Why are you name calling “ Climey’s “

Because I have arthritis and typing, "Bootlicking Marxist anti-freedom toadies" is too long.

If a house is burning down & someone throws gas on it , your logic would be that the gas caused the fire & the prior fire was nothing of concern ?

Strawman utter fail.

Im not attacking your idea about the volcano as I agree with it , but your stance of “ it’s the reason alone “ makes no sense to me .
Can you explain your stance differently or is it just me ?

It's you. And government and media.

And no one has answered my questions yet.

I answered yours.

You sure are angry. I thought we were to be cordial here on above top secret. I can see a true bias to this site & certain members.
“ No “ is not explaining your logic .
Im not a climate scientist just like you , so I accept that there is both manmade & natural.
What qualifies you of your certainty outside of the scientists who counteract each other’s theories.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And no one has answered my questions yet.

Allow me , if you will....
Propaganda designed to incite fear in the ignorant masses .
The ones that went to school , but learned absolutely nothing as they were too busy with sports and "basket weaving classes".

Question answered .

a reply to: psychotrail

Too long to go into, really and I don't feel the need to share.

Why haven't you answered my questions?

On the grand scale of things, the planet has been undergoing climate changes for eons. Earth was doing it long before we were here and it will continue to do so after we are gone.

We are just along for the ride.

Found the clip, I was wrong they were analyst.

.04% of the atmosphere is Co2.

a reply to: Irishhaf
At 150ppm or below plants suffer with optimal being 1000ppm

Couldent imagine why plants would want the world to burn with 1000ppm unless we are being lied to


www.gov.mb.ca...#:~:text=How%20Does%20CO2%20Affect,respire%2C%20and%20photosynthesis%20is%2 0stopped.

Undeniable fact plants to not want the CO2 ppm goals that are set for us

Even if the projections are true get use to the heat without plants we all die I'd rather be at 400ppm than 50ppm from all life on earth being killed