David Grusch Testimony Is Confirmed Via YouTube Comment

originally posted by: Fairtrade141
On one hand Grusch says he has never seen a UFO, and on the other he says he has seen first hand adverse effects on humans by alien tech, and malevolent aliens.

Trying to figure out how one can claim both.

He could've seen and possibly interviewed victims of such encounters. Perhaps he is including seeing medical reports as well, but that certainly wouldn't be eye-witnessing it.

originally posted by: burntheships
I have wondered about the beings that were cast from
heaven described as fallen angels that rebelled against God.

(Revelation 12:7-9).

These fallen angels/demons were cast to earth.

Once out of heaven, what was/is their life span?
Anyone else wonder about this?

They still exist in the spirit realm rather than the physical realm. The 2nd law of thermodynamics, describing entropy, which causes the physical characteristics of aging followed by death, does not apply to the spirit realm.

They will continue living until it's time for their destruction.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: andre18

Something puzzles me about this.

The way these " craft " operate and the super duper capabilities that they appear to have from the way they have been described, then how has it been possible to have " captured " one or more of these for humans to examime ?

It's a valid question. All of this should be met with a healthy amount of skepticism, and even a bit of cynicism.

Talking about skepticism, here are some of the more interesting quotations at the end of the article I was quoting from on page 1 (UFO’s—Can They Be Identified?):

“In nearly forty years of investigation, not one authentic photo of a UFO has been taken and not one piece of genuine debris or other physical evidence has been found. Impressive-sounding sightings are reported year after year and, year after year, when carefully examined, they disappear into the mists of misperceptions, misidentifications, and hoaxes.”​—Pseudoscience and the Paranormal, by Terence Hines.

“Much of the trouble arises from the fact that the sky presents an almost endless variety of peculiar sights and objects, only a few of which are likely to be encountered by one person in a lifetime. And when this does happen, he may be misled into thinking that he has seen something extraordinary​—instead of merely unfamiliar. . . . [whereislogic: I recon regarding some people, especially if you can make more money writing or talking about it as such.]

“Seldom has any subject been so invested with fraud, hysteria, credulity, religious mania, incompetence, and most of the other unflattering human characteristics.”​—The Promise of Space, by Arthur C. Clarke.

“I should like to see these profound words inscribed on the threshold of all the temples of science: ‘The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.’”​—Louis Pasteur, 19th-century French scientist.

The last one has some bearing on the prediction made in 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (which I bring up a lot on ATS and considered bringing up again in this comment already when the article about UFO's brought up 1 Timothy 4:1):

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”

This stuff really 'tickles the ears' of the majority of people commenting on ATS (as explained in the comment before where I talked about the popularity of this subforum compared to other subforums). It intrigues many people here (and in society in general; Sci-Fi with aliens and spaceships is my favorite entertainment genre as well, but I do try to distinguish fact from fiction).

a reply to: whereislogic

Even though I am not a religious person, we seem to share some like thinking, including the words in the verse you quoted. The topic is infinitely interesting, but it is also infinitely muddied by those who control the flow of information, leading to more fantasy than substance at present.

All I have is my own personal anecdotal experiences. I have not served in the military. As somehow that gives more credence these days. The things I have seen far exceed anything anyone of them men at the hearing have seen. We will never have a tactical advantage. We're so far removed, In comparison we're like the Amazon shooting arrows at a Black-Hawk helicopter gunship.

a reply to: whereislogic

Pretty much my thoughts too.

We know, historically speaking that these same fallen spirit
beings can appear in a form, or inhabit earthly dwelling animals
and even people. So, logically it seems realistic to imagine that
these fallen spirits may also be at work doing bad and evil things
even though we can't see them.

Question is, can they appear as an apparition?

If so, they could appear as "aliens'.

My personal belief is yes, and if "aliens" present
themselves, they are not benevolent.

a reply to: burntheships

Perhaps we should try to see things differently…….

There are animals that “see” in 2D…..no 3D depth perception whatsoever.

That’s says to me…..if we want to see the unseen….then our eyes should be modified scientifically and medically to see in 4D or even 5D.

I’m not sure if anything like this is being researched.

I’m not talking about goggles, or like glasses to see aliens from the movie They Live, etc..

I’m talking about a medical procedure to modify your own socketed eyeballs to see perceptions in the other dimensions.

If an animal could have 2D vision naturally….we have technology, scientific and medical skills……let’s upgrade our eyes.

The analogy is…….we are able to see UAP’s more often now by changing, upgrading, the aperture of our sensors.

Enhance the pupils (apertures) of the human eye….

The pupil can be as large as 6–7 mm wide open, which translates into the maximum physical aperture. The f-number of the human eye varies from about f/8.3 in a very brightly lit place to about f/2.1 in the dark.

Aliens don’t have big eyes for nothing….I’m not saying our eyes should be as big as there’s……but just big enough to look into those other dimensions.

If science and technology says it’s doable but the eyeballs and sockets will have to be enlarged…..then I’m thinking…the worst you can have as far as physical eyes….is having anime eyes…



Keeping normal size eyes would be preferred of course….that’s were research and development of the present size human eyes comes in.

Aren’t alien hybrids often said to have larger than normal human eye’s….But not as big as the aliens?

Those hybrid eyes probably see different dimensions.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

It is not your eyes that would need modification, but your brain/mind.

Larger eyes are typically associated with lower levels of ambient light.

The eyes merely convert light received into electrical impulses transmitted via the optical nerves to the brain. It is the brain, not the eyes, that processes those impulses, and it is the mind, for which we still have no definitive explanation, that interprets those impulses and gives them meaning. You could alter the structure of the eye to be receptive to a broader range of the light/EM spectrum, and, in time, the mind might be able to make use of the additional information. Or maybe not....Our ears receive far more than we actively "hear", over time we become "nose blind" to many of the things our noses pick up in the air.

But none of that modification would aid you in the perception, and comprehension of different "dimensions".


Here's an experiment:


Physics tells us (and Einstein agreed) that "Time", linear time, as we experience it, does not exist, it is a convenience we employ to "make sense" of our perceptions.

"Time" itself, must be all of one, or more precisely, "All at Once".

Try to imagine what experiencing such an "all at once" reality would be like.


No past, present, or future. Just, Now, which isn't even "Now" because that would imply a "Then" which could not exist.

Major advantage, at least within a 3D spacetime framework would be that, since you do not experience (linear) time, you would not be constrained to the limits of spacetime: no time (little "t", linear), no Space.

You'd be able to pop in and out of anywhere, at any "time"!

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Interesting stuff……thx

You could alter the structure of the eye to be receptive to a broader range of the light/EM spectrum, and, in time, the mind might be able to make use of the additional information. Or maybe not

Here’s a quickie…. What’s the F-number of the Human Eye?

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originally posted by: Mantiss2021

"Time" itself, must be all of one, or more precisely, "All at Once".

Try to imagine what experiencing such an "all at once" reality would be like.

That, to me, is one of the main arguments for the God of Abraham in that He claims to be 'He who told the end from the beginning.' And again, to me, I think He did.

And I do believe that once this "disclosure" operation plays out we're all going to have to make a choice. I called it early when I said something other than the ETH (Extraterrestrial Hypothesis) is where they are going with this. But of course you'd have to go slow with that, but that's where they do seem to be headed with the guarded language.

My thing is I can TOTALLY understand how many folk would have sincere and varied reactions to such a revelation. And how different cultures would have their own interpretation.

So, when we're basically told: Okay, they are of the same phenomena reported as everything from fairies to angels and they're not from another planet...then, yeah, we're all gonna have some profound decisions to make.

Project Blue Beam.

a reply to: The GUT

And I do believe that once this "disclosure" operation plays out we're all going to have to make a choice. I called it early when I said something other than the ETH (Extraterrestrial Hypothesis) is where they are going with this.

Slow but sure.

a reply to: The GUT

I get the point you are trying to make but in your mind you can believe what you want no matter what the government says at least to some extent, and not be punished for it. inside your head is your safe space.

Some hypothetical stuff to think about: What if even if God exists, did he or did he not create all stars that now number 3e10-24 give or take a trillion, did he make all that to? What if there's a wormhole to another multiverse Does god care for you and your sins the same he does for Zarg on Lyra? Or is the order we see created by our ability to explain our own existence and environment unscientifically as our first socio ethical collective thought that we struggle to unthink?

Entropy and chaos can take many lifetimes to see, so of course we tend to order and want easy answers when our lives are so short against the background of massive cosmic decay over millennia.

There will come a time probably not now or even in our lifetimes where humans may have to accept that once they told stories to themselves to try to understand and that time is passing and now new theories are coming to light that people have clearly struggled with to the point they were hidden because they threaten a belief system. As a practical thinking human our job is to absorb the information we are given and work with it to survive, rather than to believe a erroneous single thing at all costs, belief should derive from rational thought and evidence in order not to be very fragile.

the next set of human collective thought will almost certainly be on our awareness that we are a part of the heavens and that it is not entirely as stated in any historic moral text.

That the elite have created a problem for themselves in lying to us for so long and clearly do not know what to with this information other than classify it and lock it away in the hope we all forget about it, is not surprising.

Have your god if you want him, but prepare for this too. there are parallels to religion here but note there are massive gulfs too and not everything is easily explained, its not angles and demons neither is it all aliens.... its a global WTF moment for sure, and I hope there is evidence to come, and that global scientists get a look.

I hope this is the start of a significant learning period for open minded humans that rarely consider the planet let lone the others that surround us in their vast numbers.

I'm coming at this a little sideways reading the comments here so please bear with me...
As Mr Grush stated some missions end in failure, however many or few; a certain percentage will fail no matter how sentient; not all things can be controlled, including the aggresive action of natives. so for me it is possible to have some of this exotic stuff hanging around. And if we do, to have it locked away from the taxpayer and scientific community, funded by the taxpayer is a travisty, but that is altogether another argument.

I have heard some very strange stuff over the years and I have to say the testimonies really support the things I have heard from way back including the above diatribe by Gen. Allen and others who say they couldn't tell if it disappeared or moved or define in terms of UFO or Alien what it actually was, hence a more technical approach to the language that is being used today.

Our laymans understanding is growing from Aliens in metallic disks 1940-1950 to NHI (in some cases hard to establish blurring of craft/biologics and physical mediums so as to be genuinely indeterminate/transmedium. We're familiar with the humanoid robot but imagine a biological craft that could be grown or created using something akin to DNA, this is just one example of wierd but plausable NHI but could you call it "an Alien or a UFO? Would people know what you meant?

its just mindblowing to consider this may even exist then to consider how it transited here things become even stranger.
To have enough control over gravity and time in order to loop through space- currently we do not know if there is a limit on dimensions we just know information can flow beyoned the 5th and be observed in the 2nd 3rd and 4th simultaneously or dicreetly (eg like when heat carries light and forms an image that provides accurate information about what was there, or a hologram is probably a more regular example of a primitive 2D to 3D phase shift. The information should not be there, but it is, and light carries it without the standard interaction of mass attributed to 3D objects.

The reason for this thinking derives merely from Observed Probability. For many of us these UAP's are clearly not made locally and they appear to be fast to the point where G (gravity) is not a factor and they can hit pre-determined co-ordinates in space time rather than travel linear distance. if you control gravity (electromagnetically) you can control time (time is gravity) then you can limit mass which in turn makes physical direction (up/down/left right) almost irellevent and inertia and friction also disappear, once this state is acheived then you can travel at vast multiples of the speed of light.

Why the detail?

In what we have already observed from testimony, strange obkjects turning at acute angles at extreme speeds, some exhibiting a tumbling motion and not being propelled in an obvious fashion (direction doesn't matter if space- time is bending to your will, you transit it like the fabric it is, as if a needle through a crumpled cloth)
it seems as if these are interdimensional.
To us something that transits the higher dimensions would also be observed as inreegular even random in our plane and would fade in an out of our physical view as seen in some examples from the Nimitz FA-18F IRGC and USS Princeton NV Scopes, again a bit like a mirage or a hologram, though of course in 3D at our time they are very real and will be solid.

If any of this is remotely true there is much to learn, my gut feel is this stuff is from a civilisation millions of years older than us. I know Physics as a layman and I am aware of the issues of vast distances, the change in language here plus what I have heard very much coincide with how to solve the problem of space travel and ring true with our observations so far. to me that is significant.

You are correct it is puzzling, even theorists who have dedicated their lives to Qunatum Physics and Electrodynamics are fried by these suggestions, and after a career in the field some of them realise all of their work is ahead of them.
We are all at level 0 in this regard.

My final thought on this is that we would probably want to be careful about being hostile, shooting stuff down only to classify it and lock it away. That to me seems overly primitive, pointless and possibly dangerous.

Sorry for picking your questions and for my verbosity but at least you are asking questions and for me they are the right ones to ask.

Darkstar




a reply to: TonyS

a reply to: noonebutme

As for psychologically damaging, I think we will learn these entities have played a vital role in human evolution and we are 'hybrids .

This is unsettling to some, but I think they are over estimating the "psychological trauma" this will bring as this was intuitively obvious to many of us.

Also many religious stories have likely originated with encounters of these entities, which again is not much of a surprise.

Here is some news. I suspect all this will continue for a very very long time .

www.psychologytoday.com... eoWDo7vgawGTw0GHxBHf-LWo

a reply to: AlexDJ


Thank you AlexDJ!

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

That’s says to me…..if we want to see the unseen….then our eyes should be modified scientifically and medically to see in 4D or even 5D.

No surgery necessary. All you need is psychedelics. Which also tell you where they are coming from. Think IDH.

a reply to: The GUT

And I do believe that once this "disclosure" operation plays out we're all going to have to make a choice. I called it early when I said something other than the ETH (Extraterrestrial Hypothesis) is where they are going with this. But of course you'd have to go slow with that, but that's where they do seem to be headed with the guarded language.

Well, likely, what that would do is take away any tangible understanding of ufos since a select few understand such knowledge ( of ID); maybe saints and advanced adepts of mysticism of all faiths. Such knowledge has to be experienced, so to peddle ID to the public only fosters belief, not real knowledge. Therefore as many have postulated, they're fostering another belief system that only recycles ignorance.