‘Out of control’ fire aboard a massive car-carrier ship spotlights the calamitous consequences o

a reply to: gortex


I don't know but it's the third car carrier to catch on fire with EV's on it. Never happened before with regular gas guzzling monsters that I'm aware of. Here's one.

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this isn't cars but other battery fires

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Fire incidents at two New York battery storage projects, no casualties reported
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July 3, 2023

'It smells like glue.' Lithium-ion battery fire at energy storage facility in Warwick burns for second day
Jun 28, 2023, 5:57amUpdated on Jun 28, 2023
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Now they're having reports out about how hazardous the smoke is to emergency workers. At one of the battery farm fires, the had a shelter in place for the community.


They really need to think twice about this new mandate they're pushing.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Hyundai has a promising hydrogen fuel cell, they did test drives for the last three years. Inofficial talk I heard is: they solved the issue with the cell dividing plates, but that talk is two years old now and I don't hear anything new or follow ups.

Yes, 8 min. 20-80% charge. 500+ miles range with that charge.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

The post about 500 cars on the ship? In what relation does this stand to your wrong claims? More wrong claims?

a reply to: TDDAgain

Gasoline car fires don't burn for days. Once you get under the hood you CAN put them out. EV batteries are under the floor board of the vehicle. Even if they could put them out, they can't reach them unless the car is upside down.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Agreed, these fires are much more dangerous, that's a different topic than the amount of fires.

However, knowing how most people drive and treat their cars, I am not really surprised about EV batteries going broke in the way they do. The battery being on the underside is an issue that is not easy to mitigate. Of course if people drive them into places where even an ICE car does not belong, there is more risk with EV than ICE.

In that sense, EV is much more critical than ICE. The driver has to rethink. I drive EV since more than two years and none of what was told to me would happen, happened. I did not freeze to death yet, I did not run out of charge, I am not waiting hours for it to recharge. It didn't explode.

Service wise my EV beats all the ICEs I own and owned. Nothing broke yet, unlike with many ICE cars I had myself and was "honored" to repair. The EV "just" works.

a reply to: TDDAgain

The post Xtrozero made with a quote from the University of Tenn and University of Irvine

EV fires account for on third of all car fires and they aren't nearly one third of all cars.

And again... please watch your tone.

You didn't jump all over Xtrozero when this was posted, so I don't expect you to do so toward me, or I will indeed take it personally.

a reply to: TDDAgain

That's awesome and all because it's working as it should.

But the reality is, those fires are much more difficult to put out.

PORTLAND, Maine — Electric vehicle fires get a lot of press when they occur. Part of the reason for the additional coverage is that EV battery fires are significantly harder to extinguish compared to gas car fires.

“The challenges to putting it out is just that," Lt. Chris Swenson of the South Portland Fire Department said of lithium battery fires. "It can create its own oxygen, [meaning] it can sustain its own fire and get bigger and actually have multiple explosions as it burns, so we've got to be cautious, too. When we apply water to it, that can actually increase that fire."

EV fires can burn significantly hotter than an internal combustion engine fire. Data from FEMA suggest a gas-powered vehicle burns up to about 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit while a battery fire can reach over 2,500 F.

Most fire departments don’t have currently additional equipment or agents to combat this new brand of fire. That means they are dousing these fires with, at times, as much as 20,000 gallons of water to extinguish them or, in other cases, securing the surrounding area and simply letting them burn themselves out. That has its own dangers, however, as chemicals can be emitted in the smoke.

Right now, EVs are less than 1% of the vehicles on the road. Until they can deal with the supply and demand for charging stations, have capabilities to put out fires in place, they should have all the solutions before forcing everyone to buy them.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

You didn't jump all over Xtrozero when this was posted, so I don't expect you to do so toward me,

There's a reason for this, go figure. He does not speak in absolutes and I know him to be a reasonable discussion partner.

or I will indeed take it personally.

And then? Am I supposed to care about it now? Did you change your attitude? Stop demanding things you don't give to others, is my adivce.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Until they can deal with the supply and demand for charging stations, have capabilities to put out fires in place, they should have all the solutions before forcing everyone to buy them.

This is what I advocate for, too. This is politics though, the enforcement, it's not the EV's fault. I get that many are hating on EV either because of that or other funny memes, or just because most do it and it is a trend. Evidence is in this thread.

I wasn't for advocating forcing EVs on everyone. Not everyone driving EV or saying something positive about it, wants to force you to have one, too.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Ive respectfully set boundaries with you. Your problem if you cant handle it. Get off your high horse.

I noticed you didn't take issue with nor comment about those two studies at all. Just riding high on me.

Go figure.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Fires are always bad, no matter if it's ICE or EV. Are you still trying to establish that EV fires are bad because most of the time nobody is around to get hurt? So nonsensical.

You seem to lack some perspective here. EV fires are worse than ice fire for a simple reason. YOU DONT USE WATER TO PUT OUT AN EV FIRE. Also under the ev blanket are e-scooters which have a nasty tendency to catch fire when charging, not a problem you say? It is when in cities they are being charged in buildings! Granted these have been linked to substandard batteries but problem is people will try to save a buck. So those substandard batteries will be pretty common place.

a reply to: hangedman13

Are you still trying to establish that EV fires are bad because most of the time nobody is around to get hurt? So nonsensical.

Read this again and tell me who is nonsensical

First, I am not "still trying to establish". It was an answer to a members post that said EV burn when unattended and all (!) gas cars burn while driving. Which is a nonsensical statement in itself. I was merely stating that if her argument is that EV burn unattended, it's better than with people in it. This went over your head, it was in jest to point out how ridiculous the conversation with her became.

You seem to lack some perspective here. EV fires are worse than ice fire for a simple reason.

Yes, I wrote that, in this thread. Duh.

YOU DONT USE WATER TO PUT OUT AN EV FIRE

I know. You also do not use water to put out a gasoline fire. Did I say you use water for any of those? This is projection, I never wrote this and it makes no difference since both fires are not put out with water. DUH.

Also under the ev blanket are e-scooters which have a nasty tendency to catch fire when charging, not a problem you say?

No, I did not say that but quote me if you can. These e-scooters are most often cheapest # from China and get bashed around. you know it, I know it. It's not a big surprise that e-scooters are one of the worst, because of the environment they are used: Many people in a city environment with concrete curbs and if the use is over, it's discarded somewhere because most often these are rented and every cent is squeezed out of the hardware before it breaks.

You seriously want to compare a e-scooter to a full fledged EV? And of course these are EV by definition, but these are not the EV's that the politics want to force on you, right?

Granted these have been linked to substandard batteries but problem is people will try to save a buck. So those substandard batteries will be pretty common place.

At least you are honest about the issue. Don't forget how people treat stuff that is not theirs. I know how people treat their own stuff, hint, they treat it badly.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

No, you keep posting towards me and I wish you just either bring something substantial to the thread.

Talking about me, isn't going to cut it.

I noticed you didn't take issue with nor comment about those two studies at all. Just riding high on me.

Let me get to that after you leave me alone. Yet I am still wasting time with your posts that are all about me but not about the topic.

Get over it already.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I simply asked you not to talk down to me., Your problem if you cant handle it.

I'm still waiting for you to comment on those studies.

If you can't then have a nice day.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It doesn't make sense as they would not be on charge and just sitting there as new batteries. I don't think it was even a car thing at all.

I have read many articles online about Mercedes having spontaneous combustion issues with some of their electric cars.

Mercedes are currently looking into the claim, that a hire car parked in the garage of a house for 20 hours, caused the fire which then caused significant damage to the house.

Here's a video on this ship burning



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a reply to: TDDAgain

Florida Fire fighters would like to have a word about your EV safety claims, post hurricane and salt water damage to those same batteries.

I noticed you keep asking for citations and provide nothing. (maybe I missed it, that is possible)

You skipped right over the danger of a large lithium battery catching fire and tried to say well ICE engines are difficult to put out to, I suggest you go talk to fire fighters and ask which would they rather respond to for an actual idea of where the serious danger lies.

8 min charging is fine as long as they can show that it is actually safe rather than the trust me its safer like you are pushing here.

a reply to: Irishhaf

We have to differentiate between amount of fires and how bad they are. You are talking about how bad the fires are. I agree. I think I wrote it three times now in this thread alone.

I never asked for citations, just saying.

You skipped right over the danger of a large lithium battery catching fire and tried to say well ICE engines are difficult to put out to, I suggest you go talk to fire fighters and ask which would they rather respond to for an actual idea of where the serious danger lies.

Nope, I did not. Again, a clear distinction is needed: Some member addressed me with that sentence how you can not put these fire out with water. As if that was something I wrote. When I didn't. I then said that gasoline fires are not put out with water either.

8 min charging is fine as long as they can show that it is actually safe rather than the trust me its safer like you are pushing here.

I am not pushing anything. I am just reacting to posts. Like yours that claim things I never wrote. I know that in EV threads it often is that way.

Someone says "EV burn less" and it's about this, then someone else comes around and moves the goal posts to how bad these fires are. Please go read the entire thread and you will discover what you accuse me, I didn't do it.

Go look for yourself. Just take the "put out with water" example. Go look where it started and you will see it.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Lose the attitude. So are you aware that fire departments must undergo specific training for ev fires? For your duh comment, you also cannot use the same methods for putting out ev fires that you do an ice one. So now we have to add in a new set of training for fighting the fires that ev can cause. That sounds like a brilliant idea. More of the short sightedness of the push for ev's. I'm still waiting to see what the new tax will be to pay for highway maintenance. Another one of those things either they didn't think of trying to push this garbage or they decided we didn't need to know.

a reply to: hangedman13
Okay I play along. Yes, my DUH comment was mostly based on you using the water example IN #ING CAPSLOCK.

So you are saying we should not dabble with EV because, help us, "so now we have to add in a new set of training for fighting the fires".

Brilliant argument against EV.