LIVE: Congress holds UFO hearing.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Actually Graves did testify to having visual contact with some UAP's, as well as sensor contact. Here is a link to video of that portion of his opening statement testimony (pertinent part 1:22-1:44), although admittedly it is not clear whether he saw it/them or other members of his squadron did.

Former Navy pilot Ryan Graves gives opening statement in UAP hearing

It’s vague and subjective to say “we” plural and not “I” singular……there’s still no “I personally seen it with my own eyes” verbiage.

As he stated…”eventually with visual I.D.”……is not the same as him stating, personally, he saw it (them).

His oral opening statement differs from his written statement submitted to Congress for the hearing record,

Yet, in the written opening statement……once again he writes “we” …not “I” saw.

Also in the written statement version and the oral statement…..the description of the clear sphere with cube on the inside is referenced by what other pilots in his squadron observed.

Below the verbatim hearing oral dialogue…..

In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers, and I was stationed at NAS Oceania in Virginia Beach. After upgrades were made to our radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assumed they were radar errors, but soon we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, and eventually a training mission in Warning Area Whiskey 72.

Here’s the text of his written opening statement…..as submitted to Congress for the record.



I still say…..he personally saw nothing with his own eyes……he’s a secondhand witness no matter which version orally, or textually….he presents.

Also note that his oral opening goes off script from the written statement there on the witness table before his own eyes.

So I still ask……does anyone have anything…links etc….where Graves actually says, he’s seen the craft with his own eyes? In the singular “I”….not the plural “we”. Even as far back from when he started sharing his stories.

Looking at objects on onboard displays …..is not the same as personal visual eyeballing of actual craft….of which Fravor witnessed the Tic-Tac with his own eyes.

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After this hearing, if they want to go deeper, they can call first-hand witnesses. Of course, vet them for fringe people and call the legitimate ones. There are numerous across the globe.

But this hearing seems to be based on the huge nuance of IC shenanigans rather than any objective pursuit of ufo reality.

I’m not necessarily criticizing that approach because any calling of UFO witnesses gets very redundant and probably leads nowhere.

Might much of these be a reflection of some inner conflict in the gov MIC and IC complex?

Congress does know what to do, and that is simply pass legislation demanding the gov...the IC, MIC-related gov people ALL OF THEM give up ALL the top secrets, classified--everything regarding ufos.

Or all this will go away quickly... There is no such thing as half-pregnant, and there's no such thing as partial disclosure when we're talking about government secrecy over UFOs.

Will that get us to a real disclosure? Personally, I doubt it.

The mental gymnastics some people are using on this topic is astounding.

What is more likely-
Higher dimensional interlopers who only seem to show up around the US?
...Or someone is operating a secret terrestrial technology which employs multi spectral stealth, that is based out of the US?


Even if you find higher dimensionals to be more likely - surely the fact both TTSA (Justice's metamaterial spacecraft) and The US Navy (Pais' craft with an inertial mass reduction device) specifically told us that their "imagined" craft would have advanced stealth capabilities as part of it's non linear EM scattering functionality means something?

originally posted by: Jukiodone
The mental gymnastics some people are using on this topic is astounding.

What is more likely-
Higher dimensional interlopers who only seem to show up around the US?
...Or someone is operating a secret terrestrial technology which employs multi spectral stealth, that is based out of the US?


Even if you find higher dimensionals to be more likely - surely the fact both TTSA (Justice's metamaterial spacecraft) and The US Navy (Pais' craft with an inertial mass reduction device) specifically told us that their "imagined" craft would have advanced stealth capabilities as part of it's non linear EM scattering functionality means something?

Isn't it odd that Russia and China have nothing to disclose re: UAPs/UFOs. Could it be that they are the ones sending secret spying, EM scattering stealth UAPs all over the world?

And the extremely vague and unexplained word 'biologics' that was used can point to micro-organisms in our stratosphere. Let's not get carried away here.

The Australian scientist Bigg (1983) was among the first to actually recover stratospheric particles from above 25 km using balloons. His collections dating from 1960 onward clearly reveal the presence of oval shaped dust particles, and particles endowed with fimbrai, which Bigg himself speculated may have a possible biological provenance. A few years later Greene, Hagberg, Lundgren, and Pederson (1965) carried out a series of balloon flights to recover microorganisms in the two height ranges 30,000–60,000 ft. and 60,000–90,000 ft. in the stratosphere. Positive results in both these height ranges possibly pointed to an in-falling microbial population, and this came as an unwelcome surprise in the years running up to the dawn of the space age. Although some of the microorganisms collected in early experiments were claimed to exhibit “unusual” properties, such as pigmentation and radiation resistance, their possible extraterrestrial origin remained a matter of dispute. No DNA sequencing procedure was available at the time to ascertain significant deviations there might have been from any related terrestrial species. Furthermore, the collection and laboratory techniques available at the time left open a high chance of contamination. A history of early attempts to probe the stratosphere for microorganisms is summarized by Smith (2013).

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...#:~:text=Organic%20structures%20identifiable%20with%20bacteria,Hoover%20in%20more%20recent%20time s.

I'm still waiting for proof, declassification, and disclosure.

a reply to: quintessentone

When I saw that link and names. Made me think of this. I think I posted it before on ATS long ago.

www.simonandschuster.com...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: quintessentone

When I saw that link and names. Made me think of this.

www.simonandschuster.com...

All we need do now is have Avi Loeb collect cosmic dust and see if biologics exist then we can go from there.

a reply to: Jukiodone

The mental gymnastics some people are using on this topic is astounding.

Very much so .

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: quintessentone

When I saw that link and names. Made me think of this.

www.simonandschuster.com...

All we need do now is have Avi Loeb collect cosmic dust and see if biologics exist then we can go from there.

Here’s this…….


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Have people thought about what they'll accept as solid evidence of "full disclosure"? Even if a "UFO" landed on the WH lawn and aliens presented themselves on live television, I wouldn't believe it. Governments can't be trusted.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: quintessentone

When I saw that link and names. Made me think of this.

www.simonandschuster.com...

All we need do now is have Avi Loeb collect cosmic dust and see if biologics exist then we can go from there.

Here’s this…….

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Hi Ophi, I mean really that background music...oh the drama!

So, yeah, biologics exist in our stratosphere which come from the cosmos. My issue is them using the word in such a vague context, which goes to explain nothing.

a reply to: quintessentone

Q…..If you think about it…..NASA’s search for life is predicated on finding microbial matter….not bipedal beings.

Welp the vid I posted shows some type of microbial matter…probably hitching a ride from comets…etc.

The whole panspermia theory thing.

Well I would say with the discovery found in our stratosphere via from space……

Life has been found!

NASA could lock up shop and go home….they are no longer needed!

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: quintessentone

Q…..If you think about it…..NASA’s search for life is predicated on finding microbial matter….not bipedal beings.

Welp the vid I posted shows some type of microbial matter…probably hitching a ride from comets…etc.

The whole panspermia theory thing.

Well I would say with the discovery found in our stratosphere via from space……

Life has been found!

NASA could lock up shop and go home….they are no longer needed!

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Except we need to find an Earth II because this one is cooked.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: KKLOCO

Now that I give it a second thought I'm seeing what you mean--- there could be some strategical brilliance in picking Grusch and his performance might be spot on.

It is weird that the mythology they are using is not only stale but some of it would be easy to paint someone as a loon with later.

It's quite possible that this "disclosure" operation is designed to be flushed at some point. Leaving the public still in the dark with the same old tales. So, yeah, good observation, sir.

And I do believe it's made to be "flushable" if needed.

It's fascinating to watch anyways. In a can't-look-away-from-the-trainwreck kind of way.

Apologies for the late reply. Been busy with work and I only comment in the brainless threads when I’m the midst of that.

Was it made to be ‘Flushable’? Absolutely it was. The government knows the majority of the population is fickle. Particularly these days with everyone having constant distractions.

Something’s off with Grusch. He’s just so confident considering what he’s dabbling in. And I don’t believe it’s because he thinks he’s a doing some favor for humanity. He was chosen and he knows it. That’s where the confidence is coming from.

Yes, it will be interesting to see this all unfold. Hopefully it doesn’t just go away. We are loooong overdue to know some type of truth…

One thing I find somewhat amazing…for lack of other words.

Here you have Grusch in a position where you have chances to ask all sorts of questions….not that he’ll answer them all…..

And no one bought up any questions about religion…

Nobody asked Grusch if his firsthand contacts ever mentioned if biologicals had there own concepts of God or a god(s)…or what we know as religion’s or religious type following’s.

Opportunities lost in a transparent congressional setting….

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

It's no doubt many think these phenomena may have a “God’ element to them, and some believe the devil element to it.

The ufo lore, for what it's worth, testifies to almost an omnipotent attribute to this phenomenon.

It all depends on what one feels about religion or God...

If they have future hearings, likely this topic will come up.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
One thing I find somewhat amazing…for lack of other words.

Here you have Grusch in a position where you have chances to ask all sorts of questions….not that he’ll answer them all…..

And no one bought up any questions about religion…

Nobody asked Grusch if his firsthand contacts ever mentioned if biologicals had there own concepts of God or a god(s)…or what we know as religion’s or religious type following’s.

Opportunities lost in a transparent congressional setting….

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That's coming, Ophi, I'm quite sure of it. But the base has to be fleshed out a little more. Maybe "tenderized" is a better descriptor.

It's not hard to trace this to some folk that have been fooling around in ufology for awhile. Now, maybe they're heroes that have been trying to force disclosure or maybe their directive is quite different.

Regardless of that, you can find out a bit about what they believe in regards to this very topic.

For what it’s worth…. Jeremy Corbells letter submitted to Congress, day of the hearing

The UFO PUZZLE

(He uses a lot of $10 words)

And George Knapp

STATEMENT TO CONGRESS

Point of Interest by GK -

The very first case investigated by AAWSAP was the Tic Tac incident from 2004. An initial report was compiled by DIA personnel then shared with AAWSAP. A much larger 140-page report, packed with detailed analysis of the Tic Tac and its capabilities, was written by AASWAP scientists and engineers. Neither Congress nor the public has ever seen the Tic Tac report or any of the other 100-plus research papers.

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Hearing Opening Statements By……

Graves

Grusch

Fravor

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In Knapp’s letter to Congress….he goes into detail about his trip to Russia to get UFO information……

What he doesn’t mention in the letter to Congress…..is that he smuggled out UFO footage, purported to be a flying pyramid shape, in Russian sky’s.

A while back George went onto a Josh Gates special and admits to the crime! 😆



During the Josh Gates special ….they compare the Russian pyramid footage to the U.S.S. Russell…triangle footage…..

Welp…..he gets away with the crime of smuggling …..since he wasn’t sworn in to testify 😆

At the end of the clip below….Josh Gates warns his viewers not to smuggle anything out of Russia 🤣

Scroll down to see the Josh Gates segment featuring George…
Source: LEAKED VIDEO of a PYRAMID SHAPED UFO shot in 1968 in Soviet Union & smuggled by GEORGE KNAPP in the 90s

Bad George….Bad George…..

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
One thing I find somewhat amazing…for lack of other words.

Here you have Grusch in a position where you have chances to ask all sorts of questions….not that he’ll answer them all…..

And no one bought up any questions about religion…

Nobody asked Grusch if his firsthand contacts ever mentioned if biologicals had there own concepts of God or a god(s)…or what we know as religion’s or religious type following’s.

Opportunities lost in a transparent congressional setting….

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Why would you assume that the term "biologicals" necessarily translates to "bodies"?


Given the high speed performance capabilities demonstrated by these craft, capabilities that have been witnessed by both sensors and visually by pilots and service people, it is unlikely that they would be crewed by anything that would be described as a "body".


Bodies require multiple life support and protection systems, which add to the complexity and potential failure of a platform. But biological systems, such as the compact neural networking of brain tissue can demonstrate functional advantages over mechanical/digital analogs.


At some level, it might be very difficult to definitively discriminate between purely organic tissue and artificially fabricated "bio-mechanical" materials....Especially if said materials are of a non-terrestrial origin.


There may not have been a "body" to ask about religious beliefs.