Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

a reply to: Tarquin

The Galileo Project instrumentation (at Harvard University) will be monitoring UAPs using the following:

The Galileo Project is a new scientific research initiative within the context of known physics. Its novel instruments will monitor the sky in the optical, infrared and radio bands, as well as in audio, magnetic field and energetic particle signals.

The data will be analyzed by artificial intelligence algorithms that will aim to catalog objects or phenomena within the above-mentioned categories. As Arthur Conan Doyle's fictional detective Sherlock Holmes noted: "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, how-ever improbable, must be the truth." (Doyle,1926)

www.worldscientific.com...

I would guess spectroscopic analysis could fall under the magnetic field and energetic particle signals part, would it not?

Interesting times ahead.

a reply to: ancientlight

Or maybe out of body astral travel?

There is something special about the under seven age group for kids where they have the experience like yours and mine. The invisible friends as well.

Rudolf Steiner said (in relation to the education of children) that the memory formation happens in the first seven years of life.

There is a mystery there in what happens in the first seven years. Perhaps our looking back with the "educated eyes of the adult" that it becomes a mystery.

a reply to: Tarquin

This is so simple. A UAP is either aliens or humans who have alien technology. So either way aliens are involved. The odds of us developing technology that could be thousands of years+ ahead of us is just so low you might as well throw the idea away. Btw strickly talking about non natural events. Natural stuff does not do 180° turns on a dime

I think we all assume it is aliens because the ones that I have seen have never looked like they were created by humans. All of our aircraft and space craft have the ideology form follows function.

I can look at an air craft and know more or less the purpose of what it was made for. With some of these craft, it is hard to tell. When I was a kid I saw a disc shaped craft while on my paper route. It had 4 lights that were square on the edge that I could see and they changed color.

As a grown man I have seen discs and other odd shapes in the sky that I cannot quantify.

a reply to: Tarquin

I have recently thought that maybe we have a LOT better AI than is being let on, have used it to accelerate certain lines of engineering, and as a result, over the past couple decades, have been able to leapfrog propulsion technology many decades, perhaps even centuries. As a result, we are now driving around vehicles that have capabilities that seem extraterrestrial but are just hyper advanced. All the old UFO reports could have just been disinformation to cover up testing things like the SR--71, stealth, etc. Actually, this is much more likely than some extra solar aliens, are visiting US out of the 100 billion stars of the milky way galaxy.

Very simple. It’s a process of elimination. Science assumes it has tracked any and every earthy space and the solar system, so such exotic tech observed can only come from an Extra-terrestrial realm, can’t be of this earth, so can’t be of our galaxy.

That’s one reason the ID theory has caught on.

There are a lot of, IMO, false assumptions regarding this phenomenon.

Another is this silly notion: If these ETs wanted to destroy us, they'd have done it, so they must be friendly.

Maybe, but it's hardly certain.

originally posted by: Tarquin
There has never been any evidence to suggest these objects originate from outside the Earth's atmosphere so I can't understand how the extraterrestrial hypothesis gained popularity? The fact that there are thousands of observation points monitoring the night sky and astronomers have detected interstellar objects entering our solar system from outside (ʻOumuamua) but they somehow missed the twenty plus flying disks which supposedly crash landed on Earth is stretching credulity somewhat. If they are coming here surely the military junk orbiting the planet must be sitting on a mine of evidence?

Another thing I've never quite understood is why radar is cited as evidence for the reality of UFOs when it's common knowledge that electronic countermeasures (ECM) can trick and deceive radar? This technology has been available since the 40s so who knows how refined and sophisticated it is now? Yet this is rarely mentioned in the slew of cheap UFO documentaries or the hack books published on the subject.

Lastly why are UFO sightings never subjected to spectroscopic analysis? Surely the colour of these objects could reveal something of the science behind them? One of the few writers in the field who has touched on this aspect is Jacques Vallee and he is very much a fringe figure even in Ufology.

Because UD Classified Military Satellitesnand Soace Surveillance devices have detected intelligently controlled objects arriving from outside of earths atmosphere.

Reasons that arent backed up with data inckude mainly basic logoc and reasoning

With trillions of planets and stars and galaxies out there, and the fact that in our day to day we dont see aliens walking around our streets, yiu can logically conclude that they would like come from one of those trillions of other places by chabce. Its almost a statistical certainty

Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

Because certain groups and individuals want that to be their truth. It is also reinforced by elements of Western pop culture.

That said, certain UAP are extraterrestrial in origin. Simply because people are unable to correctly identify things like meteors, stars, planets and other celestial phenomena.

And, although this is one of those organisations predisposed to this assumption, here's NICAP's take:

“....the Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis is a scientifically valid hypothesis that is the simplest available to explain globally repeating, highly reliable observations by eminently qualified observers of solid objects under intelligent control with propulsion technology irreproducible by human knowledge...”

Brian Zeiler- Formulation and Predictions of the ETH
Source : www.nicap.org...

a reply to: Tarquin
I am an abductee. I specifically remember using ALL of my senses vividly. In fact the tin foil hat people are not abductees. The tin foil hat people are people who deny the indirect and direct evidence. People who deny aliens exist are people that require to see them face to face to figure it out. It's not 1993 anymore when internet was not around. Most people are learning they are real. It's even all over the mainstream news. The AATIP footage makes it ridiculously obvious. Pilots have sightings all the time. Ex military have come out like crazy. The sighting over pheonix was an obvious one too. It is general knowledge in certain countries. To me it's like saying the sky is not blue. If you see objects making sharp sudden turns at 10's of thousands of miles what do you think it is?

originally posted by: putnam6
Look like somebody doesn't want to discuss this, congress is getting the run around

This conclusion drawn here is their intent, it’s a lie. Do you not see how it holds a power over you? Now imagine when they display godlike power to “defend” us from this “threat” of their own creation.

originally posted by: OccultMind2021
a reply to: Tarquin
I am an abductee. I specifically remember using ALL of my senses vividly. In fact the tin foil hat people are not abductees. The tin foil hat people are people who deny the indirect and direct evidence. People who deny aliens exist are people that require to see them face to face to figure it out. It's not 1993 anymore when internet was not around. Most people are learning they are real. It's even all over the mainstream news. The AATIP footage makes it ridiculously obvious. Pilots have sightings all the time. Ex military have come out like crazy. The sighting over pheonix was an obvious one too. It is general knowledge in certain countries. To me it's like saying the sky is not blue. If you see objects making sharp sudden turns at 10's of thousands of miles what do you think it is?

Pics or it didn’t happen. Lots of folks lie on the internet.

originally posted by: Gothmog

Of course if you drew random stars on a piece of paper , it would most likely match with some star system somewhere .

She didn't draw out "random" stars though. Through hypnosis, she regained her memories of her meeting with the Greys, who had shown her where they lived on a three dimensional star map. From these memories, Betty drew out the star map that the Greys had shown her and shockingly it matched up to Zeta Reticuli, exactly where the Grey Aliens had told and shown Betty where they were from.

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originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Gothmog

Of course if you drew random stars on a piece of paper , it would most likely match with some star system somewhere .

She didn't draw out "random" stars though. Through hypnosis, she regained her memories of her meeting with the Greys, who had shown her where they lived on a three dimensional star map. From these memories, Betty drew out the star map that the Greys had shown her and shockingly it matched up to Zeta Reticuli, exactly where the Grey Aliens had told and shown Betty where they were from.

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Like I posted.
You too could draw random dots on a map and match them up in the universe somewhere.

a reply to: Tarquin

There has never been any evidence to suggest these objects originate from outside the Earth's atmosphere so I can't understand how the extraterrestrial hypothesis gained popularity?

Well, something is definitely flying through our air space thst is a matter of fact now. What they are, we do not know. Aliens is as good an explanation as anything I guess, until we know for sure.

The fact that there are thousands of observation points monitoring the night sky and astronomers have detected interstellar objects entering our solar system from outside (ʻOumuamua) but they somehow missed the twenty plus flying disks which supposedly crash landed on Earth is stretching credulity somewhat. If they are coming here surely the military junk orbiting the planet must be sitting on a mine of evidence?

Do you know the objects we have missed too? We do not detect every object that comes close to earth. But there have been cases of fast walkers being detected, and if they do not want people to know, then people will not know.

Another thing I've never quite understood is why radar is cited as evidence for the reality of UFOs when it's common knowledge that electronic countermeasures (ECM) can trick and deceive radar? This technology has been available since the 40s so who knows how refined and sophisticated it is now? Yet this is rarely mentioned in the slew of cheap UFO documentaries or the hack books published on the subject.

There are cases of multiple radar hits from the same object, plus witnesses or pilots to the object. Thst eould be a huge coincidence if it was an enormous don't you think?

Good example is the Nimitz UFO incident

Lastly why are UFO sightings never subjected to spectroscopic analysis? Surely the colour of these objects could reveal something of the science behind them? One of the few writers in the field who has touched on this aspect is Jacques Vallee and he is very much a fringe figure even in Ufology.

Don't know if you have been following the news recently, but speculation on whether these ufos are real all not is pretty much over. We know that some of these UFO defy explanation. We have data on these ufos, first hand witnesses from observers like military pilots, while appearing on radar too.

Not a question of whether they are reason or not, but finding out what they are.

a reply to: Tarquin

Well this is just the same argument creationists and theists use when defending the absurd notion of an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity. So the aliens have technology so far in advance of humans that it is indistinguishable from magick and can override immutable natural laws? That's the only way I can guess how they've evaded detection until now.

If they are aliens, and say they ate thousand years ahead of us, what do you think there technology would be? Look how far us humans have come in just one hundred years.

Nothing like believing in a god. There a billions of galaxies out there, with trillions of planets, so good chance we are not alone.

a reply to: Tarquin

Surely by studying the reflected frequencies from the visible spectrum we could learn a lot about the composition, physical structure and electronic structure of UFOs? It's a shame we no longer have serious scientists such as James E. McDonald attached to the study of this subject. He was close to discovering the true nature of this phenomenon but perhaps he infringed upon something?

How do you know we have not done this already? We know that they are not telling us the truth about ufos, so of course they would keep this to themselves.

a reply to: Tarquin

The accounts of abductees are unreliable if not fraudulent.

Travis Walton case is still a very interesting unexplained csse

a reply to: Tarquin

Apart from unicellular organisms (even these are uncertain), we are very much alone in this universe in my opinion. The implications for this are actually more interesting than for a universe teeming with intelligent races.

The changes we are alone in this universe is dlim to say the least. Trillions apon Trillions of planets out there. If just 2% of these planets are in the goldilocks zone, and have water, we are talking billions of planets here.

a reply to: mirageman

Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

Because certain groups and individuals want that to be their truth. It is also reinforced by elements of Western pop culture.

That said, certain UAP are extraterrestrial in origin. Simply because people are unable to correctly identify things like meteors, stars, planets and other celestial phenomena.

And, although this is one of those organisations predisposed to this assumption, here's NICAP's take:

Yes yes, we know there was a time when every ufo sighting was giving a stupid explanation! And I mean stupid!

But it's obvious that something is flying in our airspace that are solid objects moving in ways that we just cannot do ourselves with our technology.

And of course, there are people in government taking it very seriously now, but I believe they slways have, and have huge amounts of data they are not sharing.

a reply to: Tarquin

Stop making sense Tarquin! 😡