Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: Gothmog

Minor correction: Marjorie Fish was not a trained astronomer. I seem to recall that she was a Liberian. She spent a lot of time trying to match Betty's drawing with local stars.

Thanks , I was going from memory .
Yes , one would take a while to correlate , yet my post still stands.

a reply to: GothmogThe reason for UAP
"The term UAP has actually been around (used by the military) since the 60s.
Perhaps ?"

No, the term is fairly recent and for a good reason. The authorities need to establish a distance between the present slow-revelations about Tic-Tacs being alien or not and ALL of the old UFO stories because there is heavy baggage there that cannot be discussed. So, UFOs are from the past, folks, let's modernize the term!

Governments want to spoon-feed us with what they want the public to know and forget the living horror that some have had to endure. I'm a UFO abductee from 1964 and I take the situation rather personally.

a reply to: Observer19
The perhaps was for my original post to the thread , not a reply to you .
And , perhaps ? , you should click the link I provided in my post .
Research before you post .

The term UAP first appeared in the late 1960s,

From the link in my post.
I even provided what the acronym UAP stood for in the beginning .

A direct quote :

Back then it stood for Unidentified Autonomous Objects

The accounts of abductees are unreliable if not fraudulent.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
Betty and Barney Hill shared that abduction experience back in 1961, and Betty later recalled that the aliens told her their home was quite far off, apparently in the Zeta Reticuli area.

Didn't the location come from the "map" Betty drew ?
An astronomer mapped out the diagram on a star map using the Sun as a center point .
Of course if you drew random stars on a piece of paper , it would most likely match with some star system somewhere .
My opinion : inconclusive .

I recall that Betty Hill asked the 'aliens' where they were from, and that they showed her a 'map' of the general area, and that they ran 'trade routes' along the way -
I know that map has been argued about since, for and against, but at any rate they were saying they were from another solar system.
Personally I don't believe they originate from our planet.

originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: RonnieJersey

Actually, Betty said she saw a display map that indicated trade routes of the alien ships between other stars. The supposed home of the ETs was worked out by a woman named Fish, Marjorie Fish, I believe.

Whether the map is valid or not is out of the question, the realization that the ETs have "trade routes" is shock enough.
I find that not hard to believe. The cosmos is full of old (and new) life. We would be fools to think otherwise, UFOs buzzing around our heads or not.

I agree - the large vehicle I saw left me realizing that our airplanes, helicopters, drones, etc., appear to be antiques compared to the way these things move, with absolutely no noise and no smoke.
And we would be fools to think we are the only planet to have some form of life.

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
And we would be fools to think we are the only planet to have some form of life.

Apart from unicellular organisms (even these are uncertain), we are very much alone in this universe in my opinion. The implications for this are actually more interesting than for a universe teeming with intelligent races.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

Take it for what it's worth or not but there is a suggestion that the Hill's were more Mk-Ultra than abductees. The whole hypnosis thing has been proven to be ripe for implanted or false memories, I'm not totally discounting it as a tool but I personally can't have much faith in "recovered" memories.

Whereas Adamski and Menger were used if not paid by the CIA for their claims, the Hills have always been above any such suspicion; they were, like most of the other abductees, model US citizens. However, the circumstances surrounding the Hills' experience reveal a very sinister story. It is clear that the Hills were being monitored by USAF Intelligence before the encounter took place, through Major James MacDonald, who had befriended them some time earlier.

Betty Hill wrote to Donald Keyhoe who, despite the fact that he received over a hundred letters a day, homed in on this initially unremarkable case. (At that stage, the Hills remembered only the UFO sighting, not the abduction.) Within 24 hours, Keyhoe had arranged for the Hills to be visited by top-level scientists, including C.D. Jackson, who had previously (definitely not coincidentally) worked on psychological warfare techniques for President Eisenhower.

Stretching coincidence far beyond breaking point, Jackson already knew Major MacDonald, with whom he next interviewed the Hills.

Most importantly, it was Jackson who drew the Hills' attention to their missing time period; until he did so, the couple had not realised that their memories of that fateful night were incomplete. It was Jackson who suggested hypnotic regression as a means of unlocking it. It was Jackson who then arranged for one of the Army's top psychiatric experts to undertake the regression (as if a civilian expert was not available?), under which the full story of the joint abduction “emerged”. However, as many researchers have since demonstrated, a careful review of the timings actually shows that there was no missing time at all.

It seems that Betty and Barney Hill were at the centre of a web that involved USAF Intelligence and top military experts in psychological warfare. The evidence suggests that the Hills were the subjects – victims – of a psychological experiment. This may seem a tall claim, but the evidence that defence and intelligence agencies undertook such experiments – in other contexts – on unknowing and innocent subjects in the 1950s and 60s is now overwhelming. In particular, the exposure of the CIA's notorious MKULTRA project into various mind control techniques caused a major scandal in the 1970s.
It is a disturbing thought that the Hills may have been selected for the experiment because they were – unusually for that time – a mixed-race couple, who were furthermore active in the civil rights movement. In short, they were ideal candidates to be “practiced upon”, for they were part of a target group.

a reply to: Gothmog

The only difference is the old term used "flying" whereas the new one only says "aerial" --which seems to be incorrect also as the Tic-Tacs and other witnessed events have clearly shown that the ships can go underway and no doubt out into space.

I stand by the deeper meaning of my post being correct. The almost eight decades of denial is hardly ever mentioned by those that want to discredit the whole business. Not to mention not wanting to discuss abductions which gets into total mind control and the future of humanity.

a reply to: The GUT

It's a shame the aliens (or CIA) didn't sterilize Betty Hill.

a reply to: Tarquin

The accounts of abductees are unreliable if not fraudulent.

Demonstrate this. All the abduction accounts, not just the more outlandish ones. Tens of thousands of known CE events, debunk each one as "fraudulent".

I've done some pretty out-there stuff in my life that I dont talk about because it cant be framed in the myopia of the masses, I'm talking stuff relating to the drug trade, ya know mundane stuff that actually happens but is beyond the understanding of those in "normie land". How can the same myopia not apply to the whole ET / UFO thing?.

Maybe I have to dumb it down for you: If you have not been the victim of [X] crime, does that same crime never happen to anyone at all ever?.

originally posted by: BeTheGoddess
Demonstrate this.

I don't need to I'm afraid. All I have to do is apply Hitchens's razor to reports of alien abduction - "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Also your bragging about being involved with organised crime doesn't impress.

a reply to: Tarquin

The accounts of abductees are unreliable if not fraudulent.

Oh? . . . Oh really?

If I may enlarge.

There is belief and disbelief. In these matters people can choose to believe or disbelieve as they choose. We see this in the forums here on ATS.

Then there is knowledge. That is to know something as a fact, and that something is real.

That is knowledge.

If one has not encountered a UFO, orb or one of the Beings associated with the phenomenon; then all has to work with is belife or disbelief.

However, to the people who have encountered the phenomenon; the experience is knowledge. It is fact.

I know this as back in the 1960's I was taken one night. I awoke in the middle of the night as a five year old with the bed a yard off the floor. It was as if four strong men held the bed at the corners and tipped it back and forth and up and down. When one is terrified to their liking one was tipped into a vortex of stars that opened to the left.

The last thing remembered is seeing a grey close up looking into one's eyes saying; You will not remember what happens mext.

I still spend time on occassion with them.

Unless you have been there and experienced these things for oneself, belief and disbelief is all you have.

Personally I can't wait for the day, if it ever comes, when aliens openly interact with everyone . Maybe they will openly reveal themselves, or we can only hope , abduct permantely the 1% to clean the planet of corruption.

Aliens and animals anyday over people

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Hmm. Interesting account of when you were five years old. I remember from when I was a child, that I was floating when I would lay in bed. Often near the ceiling? Maybe they were dreams or misremembered?

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

a reply to: ancientlight

I would think the knowledge of floating is still there in the memory since you remember doing it.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: ancientlight

I would think the knowledge of floating is still there in the memory since you remember doing it.

Maybe I was able to levitate? I think as kids you have different/better abilities you lose as you become older.

Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

Because it's what THEY want you to believe, but the cosmos is much more complicated than nuts and bolts UAPs flying around abducting people.

THEY know the curtain between some dimensions is evaporating and it doesn't look good for mankind....but why cause unnecessary panic.

Anyone who has stared at a Goat knows this....