Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

There has never been any evidence to suggest these objects originate from outside the Earth's atmosphere so I can't understand how the extraterrestrial hypothesis gained popularity? The fact that there are thousands of observation points monitoring the night sky and astronomers have detected interstellar objects entering our solar system from outside (ʻOumuamua) but they somehow missed the twenty plus flying disks which supposedly crash landed on Earth is stretching credulity somewhat. If they are coming here surely the military junk orbiting the planet must be sitting on a mine of evidence?

Another thing I've never quite understood is why radar is cited as evidence for the reality of UFOs when it's common knowledge that electronic countermeasures (ECM) can trick and deceive radar? This technology has been available since the 40s so who knows how refined and sophisticated it is now? Yet this is rarely mentioned in the slew of cheap UFO documentaries or the hack books published on the subject.

Lastly why are UFO sightings never subjected to spectroscopic analysis? Surely the colour of these objects could reveal something of the science behind them? One of the few writers in the field who has touched on this aspect is Jacques Vallee and he is very much a fringe figure even in Ufology.

New technology that is illegal to talk about. The best tech out there would have been made in the 60's or 70''s. Stupid to think it is aliens that prolly have the ability to be invisible in all spectrums would be caught.

a reply to: Tarquin

The reasons you give for UFO's not being more clearly sighted and tracked, is purely based on what human technology has to offer in that process.

If these things are from off our planet, their technology is something we don't and won't probably understand. And they can use without great fear of being tracked down. Just an odd glimpse here and there.

originally posted by: [post=27074329]alldaylong
If these things are from off our planet, their technology is something we don't and won't probably understand. And they can use without great fear of being tracked down. Just an odd glimpse here and there.

Well this is just the same argument creationists and theists use when defending the absurd notion of an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity. So the aliens have technology so far in advance of humans that it is indistinguishable from magick and can override immutable natural laws? That's the only way I can guess how they've evaded detection until now.

a reply to: Tarquin

The answer is , we just don't know do we ?

There is no argument against that.

a reply to: Tarquin

Because they are sometimes behaving in ways that conventional craft don't normally behave?

originally posted by: TheUniverse2
New technology that is illegal to talk about. The best tech out there would have been made in the 60's or 70''s. Stupid to think it is aliens that prolly have the ability to be invisible in all spectrums would be caught.

Surely by studying the reflected frequencies from the visible spectrum we could learn a lot about the composition, physical structure and electronic structure of UFOs? It's a shame we no longer have serious scientists such as James E. McDonald attached to the study of this subject. He was close to discovering the true nature of this phenomenon but perhaps he infringed upon something?

a reply to: Tarquin

Ok........ This is from CE and a couple of them................ Absolutely no idea about this and that and where they come from.............................. Yet when you first experience your initial CE they will appear in front of you like a veil being lifted...................... THINK ABOUT IT x x x and at the same time and the UFO Orb of the radiant white ANGEL type will blow your mind..................... All the time while most reject / or ignore reality x x x Love you forever x x x

a reply to: Tarquin

First off, do yourself a favor and order from Amazon a very cheap copy of The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by Edward L. Ruppelt, Air Force Captain and one-time head of the US government's Project Bluebook.

In the book, he somewhat details the Air Force's first scientific effort--as far as we know, to put special camera's on fighter planes to record the spectra of UFOs. The object seemed to have a need to emit bright, white lights. Since they had no wings and displayed no sign of props and x-times than any of our craft while displaying incredible speeds and physics-busting "flight" characteristics, Uncle Sam wanted to know...Ruppelt detailed the cameras to some extent, but I'll leave that up to you to more completely answer your question.

Be advised also that Ruppelt provides us with intentionally chopped up details of the Air Force's first act in responding to the phenomena. --All of this history also to be found outside of that book. Confused by the many reports of UFOs after the summer of 1947, the top generals commanded the ATIC, the Air Tactical Intelligence Command to fully investigate and provide an answer. By late summer of 1948 the report was finished and sent to Washingtion. ATIC officers had concluded that the craft were not secret craft under development by US industries or the Air Force or the Navy. They were not craft from any foreign power on earth. Their conclusion was, (supposedly without physical evidence) that the only explanation was that they were alien craft.

That report went to Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg, then head of the Air Force. Ruppelt said he order the report banned, destroyed, because he could not establish a nation policy for the objects without actual proof. (Only a fool would believe that explanation. This would have been a Presidental matter of the largest concern in those cold war days.)

Too many people will let the government and so-called current UFO investigators tell them what they want the public to know at this stage about the whole subject. The situation has always been far beyond the over seventy years of denial. We are beginning to see these very days what the ETs want of our so-called civilization.

originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: Tarquin

First, off, do yourself a favor and order from Amazon a very cheap copy of The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by , Air Force Captain and one-time head of the US government's Project Bluebook.

In the book, he somewhat details the Air Force's first scientific effort--as far as we know, to put special camera's on fighter planes to record the spectra of UFOs. The object seemed to have a need to emit bright, white lights. Since they had no wings and displayed no sign of props and x-times than any of our craft while displaying incredible speeds and physics-busting "flight" characteristics, Uncle Sam wanted to know...Ruppelt detailed the cameras to some extent, but I'll leave that up to you to more completely answer your question.

Be advised also that Ruppelt provides us with intentionally chopped up details of the Air Force's first act in responding to the phenomena. --All of this history also to be found outside of that book. Confused by the many reports of UFOs after the summer of 1947, the top generals commanded the ATIC, the Air Tactical Intelligence Command to fully investigate and provide an answer. By late summer of 1948 the report was finished and sent to Washingtion. ATIC oficers had concluded that the craft were not secret craft under development by US industries or the Air Force or the Navy. They were not craft from any foreign power on earth. Their conclusion was, (supposedly without physical evidence) what that the only explanation was that they were alien craft.

That report went to Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg, then head of the Air Force. Ruppelt said he order the report banned, destroyed, because he could not establish a nation policy for the objects without actual proof. (Only a fool would believe that explanation. This would have been a Presidental matter of the largest concern in those cold war days.)

Too many people will let the government and so-called current UFO investigators tell them what there is to know about the whole subject. The situation has always been far beyond the over seventy years of denial. We are beginning to see these very day what the ETs want of our so-called civilization.

Thank you, an interesting if in parts unclear read. I will make a note of the book recommendation. Modern Ufology seems to have regressed since Edward L. Ruppelt wrote his report. The MoD study of UAP named Project Condign has been the only study since the 60s to break new ground on the subject and it is completely ignored. The whole AATIP charade has been underwhelming despite the initial excitement.

originally posted by: Tarquin

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Ok........ This is from CE and a couple of them................ Absolutely no idea about this and that and where they come from.............................. Yet when you first experience your initial CE they will appear in front of you like a veil being lifted...................... THINK ABOUT IT x x x and at the same time and the UFO Orb of the radiant white ANGEL type will blow your mind..................... All the time while most reject / or ignore reality x x x Love you forever x x x

I'm sorry I don't use recreational drugs.

From your post............. Don't expect a CE......... You have to be positive. POSITIVE.............. You get it? POSITIVE?

An ex GF once said to me: Bull# hides in verbosity.

Second.

Betty and Barney Hill shared that abduction experience back in 1961, and Betty later recalled that the aliens told her their home was quite far off, apparently in the Zeta Reticuli area.

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
Betty and Barney Hill shared that abduction experience back in 1961, and Betty later recalled that the aliens told her their home was quite far off, apparently in the Zeta Reticuli area.

Didn't the location come from the "map" Betty drew ?
An astronomer mapped out the diagram on a star map using the Sun as a center point .
Of course if you drew random stars on a piece of paper , it would most likely match with some star system somewhere .
My opinion : inconclusive .

Look like somebody doesn't want to discuss this, congress is getting the run around

a reply to: RonnieJersey

Actually, Betty said she saw a display map that indicated trade routes of the alien ships between other stars. The supposed home of the ETs was worked out by a woman named Fish, Marjorie Fish, I believe.

Whether the map is valid or not is out of the question, the realization that the ETs have "trade routes" is shock enough.
I find that not hard to believe. The cosmos is full of old (and new) life. We would be fools to think otherwise, UFOs buzzing around our heads or not.

Why are UAP sightings assumed to be extraterrestrial in origin?

1) Folks confuse and merge UFO with the flying saucer of science fiction .
2)

Aside from UAP’s more encompassing description, this term avoids the heavy cultural baggage attached to UFO, whose initial association with extraterrestrial origins, however true or untrue it may prove upon final analysis, sets up a narrow and inflexible framework for honest scientific research. —New Scientist, 13 Feb. 2023

The reason for UAP
The term UAP has actually been around (used by the military) since the 60s.
Back then it stood for Unidentified Autonomous Objects)
Perhaps ?

originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: RonnieJersey

Actually, Betty said she saw a display map that indicated trade routes of the alien ships between other stars. The supposed home of the ETs was worked out by a woman named Fish, Marjorie Fish, I believe.

Whether the map is valid or not is out of the question, the realization that the ETs have "trade routes" is shock enough.
I find that not hard to believe. The cosmos is full of old (and new) life. We would be fools to think otherwise, UFOs buzzing around our heads or not.

From one of her dreams that came after contact , IIRC .
Yet , that didn't address my point at all .

a reply to: Gothmog

Minor correction: Marjorie Fish was not a trained astronomer. I seem to recall that she was a Liberian. She spent a lot of time trying to match Betty's drawing with local stars.