Am I the only one who suspects DT may have had the protesters let in somehow?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

It was a Mob of People that got out of control , It was happening all over the country that year .

What the left choose to ignore is that this so-called coup had no weapons, after the initial short surge in they followed the directions of guards, stayed within most of the red guide ropes, walked around and took selfies, and finally left at curfew.

There are 100s of millions in fine art in there. No one was doing the liberal thing of burning, throwing paint, bashing things etc...

a reply to: Xtrozero

You do not consider a knife, a hammer, a sharpened metal flag pole, an 800 volt walking stick, a bat, more than one gun, a weapon? Threaten someone while holding an 800 volt walking stick, beat someone to death with a bat. Betcha the law considers it a weapon.

And nah, just ransacked offices, stolen items, broken furniture, blood, feces and urine on the walls and statues, broken doors, windows, lecterns, desks,statues. They were just like every other tour, right?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Xtrozero

You do not consider a knife, a hammer, a sharpened metal flag pole, an 800 volt walking stick, a bat, more than one gun, a weapon? Threaten someone while holding an 800 volt walking stick, beat someone to death with a bat. Betcha the law considers it a weapon.

And nah, just ransacked offices, stolen items, broken furniture, blood, feces and urine on the walls and statues, broken doors, windows, lecterns, desks,statues. They were just like every other tour, right?

No one was shot,stabbed or speared by a protestor or killed directly by a protestor. the only deaths were natural EXCEPT the security guard killing someone.

a reply to: yuppa

However there were officers tased, beaten with flag poles, crushed in doors, bear sprayed, etc. Hundreds of officers injured, from concussions to crushed spinal discs, broken kneecaps,Rodriguez tased Fannone multiple times causing a heart attack, among other injuries as the crowd beat him, others, traumatic brain injuries, cracked ribs, loss of an eye, stabbed with metal stake.

originally posted by: frogs453

You do not consider a knife, a hammer, a sharpened metal flag pole, an 800 volt walking stick, a bat, more than one gun, a weapon? Threaten someone while holding an 800 volt walking stick, beat someone to death with a bat. Betcha the law considers it a weapon.

And nah, just ransacked offices, stolen items, broken furniture, blood, feces and urine on the walls and statues, broken doors, windows, lecterns, desks,statues. They were just like every other tour, right?

But we are not talking about a protest turned violent at times, you have all been pushing really hard that this was an armed insurrection led by Trump.

You also forgot the Trump 2020 signs, pieces of metal and wood, crutches, a skateboard, and a firecracker. Seems that in a country with 400 million guns, this was one weak-ass armed insurrection. We are also talking about well under 100 people with these so-called weapons of mass destruction.

As to damages, with all the doors and windows broken and 2000 people walking around inside the total damage came out to less than 1.5 million. Do you understand how little that is in Washington DC, how little that is when a simple piece of art there could be 10s of millions alone?

No one is arguing that this wasn't a peaceful protest that turned bad for a few 1000 people that ended up being a nothing burger in the end. It's you all pushing a narrative that this was an armed insurrection led by Trump to take over the government with skateboards, sticks, crutches, etc. etc.

Is there ever a point with liberals where they just slap their forehead and say OK this is a stupid argument for us, or is the left like flat earthers in knowing the truth but never admitting to it no matter what...geez

a reply to: Xtrozero

I have never said it was a well planned armed insurrection. However I have disputed the claims that there were no plans for violence, that no one came prepared for violence and according to court documents that the bigger groups like the OK and PB did not have an organized plan. A disruption to the electoral count was planned and according to Rhodes "holding" the Capitol was planned. Poorly? Yes. But we're not talking geniuses here. The man shot his own eye out.

And you have some that ATS blamed let's see on Antifa agitators, the feds and even the cops for "making them do it". Again, if someone else can "make" you commit a crime, you're not very bright.

a reply to: frogs453

Hundreds of officers injured, from concussions to crushed spinal discs, broken kneecaps,Rodriguez tased Fannone multiple times causing a heart attack, among other injuries as the crowd beat him, others, traumatic brain injuries, cracked ribs, loss of an eye, stabbed with metal stake.
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maybe two hundreds and one got hurt and didn't report it, but according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) just 114 officers reported injuries.

Capitol Police reported 114 officers were injured on Jan. 6, 2021, far more than previously reported, according to a new report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) published on Monday.
GAO says 114 Capitol Police officers reported injuries on Jan. 6

from the same article,

In its report, the GAO said out of the 315 officers who responded to the survey, 207 of them felt somewhat prepared to use force and apply crowd control tactics during the insurrection, while 96 others said they felt slightly or not at all prepared.

originally posted by: frogs453

I have never said it was a well planned armed insurrection. However I have disputed the claims that there were no plans for violence, that no one came prepared for violence and according to court documents that the bigger groups like the OK and PB did not have an organized plan. A disruption to the electoral count was planned and according to Rhodes "holding" the Capitol was planned. Poorly? Yes. But we're not talking geniuses here. The man shot his own eye out.

And you have some that ATS blamed let's see on Antifa agitators, the feds and even the cops for "making them do it". Again, if someone else can "make" you commit a crime, you're not very bright.

So what is the debate here then? We need to look at the total number of people with what was called a weapon and that was about 80. That is in court documents too. The weapons were also never used, and if there was some planned event it was over before it even started. As to agitators, I think that part has been shown to be true, so there is most likely a little of everything you wrote above, but all of that accounted for so little of the event as a whole to make it senseless to even suggest any more than a very small unlead group of unruly people that was a minuscule percentage of the masses there.

No armed insurrection, and no Trump involvement.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato

maybe two hundreds and one got hurt and didn't report but according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) just 114 officers reported injuries.

Since the big focus and debate is all on what actually went on inside the capital, how many offices/guards were attacked and injured inside?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Since the big focus and debate is all on what actually went on inside the capital, how many offices/guards were attacked and injured inside?

none that i've heard about. my point was 114 police officers injured is not hundreds as claimed, it's a 114.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato

none that i've heard about. my point was 114 police officers injured is not hundreds as claimed, it's a 114.

I guess that is my point too as in people trying to combine what was outside as the same inside.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Xtrozero

You do not consider a knife, a hammer, a sharpened metal flag pole, an 800 volt walking stick, a bat, more than one gun, a weapon? Threaten someone while holding an 800 volt walking stick, beat someone to death with a bat. Betcha the law considers it a weapon.

And nah, just ransacked offices, stolen items, broken furniture, blood, feces and urine on the walls and statues, broken doors, windows, lecterns, desks,statues. They were just like every other tour, right?

Try as you might it is your right after all to paint what ever picture most appeases you .

But in the End it was just a protest , No one was killed , Raped , Nothing was stolen , It was just a peaceful Protest all that made it different from the other Protest is that it was Pro Trump instead of Anti-Trump.

The Other protest/Riots across the Country People were Killed , Raped , Buildings were burnt to the ground and Police Officers assaulted .

originally posted by: nugget1
The number of stars and flags you get will be your answer.

Unfortunately they will all come from the types who think Trump did 9-11, Pearl Harbor, and the Lindbergh baby.
Kindred spirits of the OP.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Xtrozero

You do not consider a knife, a hammer, a sharpened metal flag pole, an 800 volt walking stick, a bat, more than one gun, a weapon? Threaten someone while holding an 800 volt walking stick, beat someone to death with a bat. Betcha the law considers it a weapon.

And nah, just ransacked offices, stolen items, broken furniture, blood, feces and urine on the walls and statues, broken doors, windows, lecterns, desks,statues. They were just like every other tour, right?

No effort has been made, nor will one ever be made, to sort out how much of the violence was done by antifa, FBI agent provocateurs, and FBI snitch types.

Suffice it to say, the things you keep harping on were distributed between people on the left as well as right. And it will never be looked into as long as the left / dems own the DOJ.

originally posted by: Solvedit
Could DT have influenced the Capitol Police to let the first few demonstrators in and show them around?

He had no legal authority over the Capitol Police but perhaps they would respect his suggestions? I have no evidence of bribery or blackmail but hypothetically speaking those are at least possible as well.

Perhaps the plan was the first few would snowball into a riot, perhaps hypothetically aided by provocateurs in the crowd. Sometimes the far right talk of the 2nd Amendment supporting the armed overthrow of an unjust government.

Am I the only one who suspects Tucker Carlson's security videos of the Capitol may show events which were instigated by DT, not the Democrats?


Who was the Commander in Chief of the Capitol Police before the riot? edit: sorry, I had it wrong. The Home Rule act gives the President authority to ask the Mayor to provide the help of the DC Metropolitan police in an emergency but not the Capitol Police.

So I guess you never heard that the capitol police worked for Pelosi, and DC mayor Muriel Bowser refused help from the National Guard to bolster security. As offered by Trump himself.
Yes, you probably don’t know this. lol

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

But in the End it was just a protest , No one was killed , Raped , Nothing was stolen , It was just a peaceful Protest all that made it different from the other Protest is that it was Pro Trump instead of Anti-Trump.

I will gladly admit there were times of very unruly behavior such as the initial pushing on the barriers and the initial group to go in, but once it was open people just walked around taking pictures and then leaving. Yes, there were some bad actors, but the vast majority were there for the moment with no thought of violence.

originally posted by: Solvedit

You're playing it like Tucker Carlson and coloring it a smear campaign by Antifa and the far Left.

What if it wasn't? What if it was Donald Trump?

Actually, my point was to show that, although they may not be the only ones who were instigators, those two are a good starting point. However, the "investigators" into the events of the day have ignored the roles they played in it, while prosecuting many people who merely walked through the capital taking pictures or simply stood outside. Why is that?

Since you asked, I will give you the answer you want to hear.. if it was President Trump, he should be prosecuted. I don't think anyone would argue with that, but it is quite a stretch to imagine what you're saying to be true.

Now that I have answered your question, can you answer mine? Why were the two individuals I mentioned given a free pass?

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: nugget1
The number of stars and flags you get will be your answer.

Unfortunately they will all come from the types who think Trump did 9-11, Pearl Harbor, and the Lindbergh baby.
Kindred spirits of the OP.

Funny you should say 9/11. What could the reason be to start an unnecessary war in Iraq then prolong it by dismissing the Iraqui military?

Why would William Jefferson (Davis?) Clinton, then Bush not try harder to catch OBL before he provoked a war? I seem to recall they had some good information on who did the Kenya Embassy bombing, for example, but did nothing.

No, it wasn't Trump, it was Bush, but just like J6, he was pandering to neo-Confederates by providing more than a decade of military pork. Trump was taking notes.

originally posted by: XtrozeroBut we are not talking about a protest turned violent at times, you have all been pushing really hard that this was an armed insurrection led by Trump.

No, the point of the thread is that someone may have tried to provoke protesters to stage a coup. Perhaps Trump?

That is consistent with them being lightly armed with concealed handguns and melee weapons.

Tucker Carlson called the footage of Chansley being calmly led around by uniformed officers "exculpatory." But what if the policy followed by the various agencies which could have completely prevented the riot was corrupted ultimately by Trump?

originally posted by: DapagaNow that I have answered your question, can you answer mine? Why were the two individuals I mentioned given a free pass?

They were busy trying to help their enemy make a mistake.

If they contributed to the vandalism by goading the rioters to enter the capitol, then they should not have been given a pass.

However, they can't be regarded as trying to cause an insurrection because they were clearly much more on Biden's side than Trump's.

You also asked who were the provocateurs. Would you say there must not have been any unless we know their names?