Am I the only one who suspects DT may have had the protesters let in somehow?

a reply to: Solvedit

Biden was not sworn in until January 20th. January 6th was Congress certifying the results of the election and was essentially the last step in making Biden's victory official.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: SigmaXSquared

True, but the national guard answers to the president The fact he politely suggested reinforcements like he's not in command and can just make a phone call is ludicrous If the president says go, you f#in go

before the guard can enter a area of a protest they have to be requested first. the capitol police nor the mayor of dc asked for them until the protest was well under way and the breach had already happened. under the insurrection act he can't just send in troops, he has to be asked first,or civil rights violations, enforce federal laws,domestic violence that can't be controlled by local or state or a armed insurrection.

Unless, you're Trump. Then you call in over 5000 fully equipped NG and LEO from out of state, with air support, overriding the DC mayor's request as he did in 2020

Then you have your AG send a letter to Bowser because you found a loop hole in the Posse Comitatus Act to do it.

Trump and Barr used a loophole to deploy the National Guard to DC

a reply to: Solvedit

I think there has been a lot of discussion about law enforcement at various levels being complicit that day.

The consensus from the Left was that such a thing was ridiculous and absurd to even consider.

Until they find their own angle of course.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Solvedit
Who was the Commander in Chief of the Capitol Police before the riot?

Who could have told them not to be too rough with the protesters but to let them in and show them around?

Sometimes they talk of the 2nd Amendment supporting the armed overthrow of an unjust government.

Could it be the President himself issued orders to surreptitiously provoke a coup, perhaps in concert with provocateurs in the crowd?

The number of rioters who illegally entered the Capitol on Jan. 6 was estimated as at least 2,000. The number of law enforcement officers on duty in the Capitol was 195. So the rioters outnumbered the cops by 10 to 1. With those odds, it was not physically possible for the cops to be "too rough" on the rioters. The rioters were in control just by the force of their numbers.

It must have been easy for them to achieve their goals sporting that sort of attendance.

Did they achieve them? What were they again? If not why not?

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
The consensus from the Left was that such a thing was ridiculous and absurd to even consider.

That's when the Left was being accused of provoking the riot themselves in order to make Trump look bad.

originally posted by: Solvedit

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: Solvedit

Do you know what Jan. 6 was all about? Are you from another country?

Lets assume I'm from another Country .

So do tell me what was January 6th " all about " I assume you were there yes ? Lets assume Donald Trump never called the National Guard to reinforce the Capitol Police , Lets assume that Bullsh*t video that aired on CNN showing Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats during Jan 6th was real .

Is there anything of substance you can tell me ? Other than what you've been told by the Media ?

Do you recall not realizing how Jan. 6 was actually a coup against Joe Biden because he was to be sworn in when Congress certified the electoral college results?

You must have been watching a lot of Liberal media sources to think an attempted coup happened.

Nothing of the sort happened.

originally posted by: RazorV66
You must have been watching a lot of Liberal media sources to think an attempted coup happened.

Nothing of the sort happened.

Perhaps a cadre of provocateurs tried to make a protest snowball into a riot which was supposed to snowball into a coup. Obviously they failed to rile the crowd up sufficiently.

a reply to: RazorV66

What was the goal of J6 rioters?

originally posted by: Solvedit

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
The consensus from the Left was that such a thing was ridiculous and absurd to even consider.

That's when the Left was being accused of provoking the riot themselves in order to make Trump look bad.

Yes, yes it is.

This is the Left doing the same thing with Donald Trump.

And they really don’t have a good reputation of being accurate and truthful when they go about this.

So I’ll just sit back and see how this latest stab in the dark turns out.

a reply to: frogs453

first off that's a opinion article.

here is the the section of the insurrection act, that applies on jan 6th which was not a training mission and were requested by both capitol police and dc mayor after the start. so no the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply.

Section 253 has two parts. The first allows the president to use the military in a state to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” that “so hinders the execution of the laws” that any portion of the state’s inhabitants are deprived of a constitutional right and state authorities are unable or unwilling to protect that right. Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy relied on this provision to deploy troops to desegregate schools in the South after the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education. The second part of Section 253 permits the president to deploy troops to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” in a state that “opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.” This provision is so bafflingly broad that it cannot possibly mean what it says, or else it authorizes the president to use the military against any two people conspiring to break federal law.
The Insurrection Act Explained

in this instance he can override anybodies request not to deploy or deploy, cause they damn sure weren't able to handle it.

and this from your opinion article,

The Trump administration then deployed scores of unidentified federal law enforcement officers, many of them from the Department of Homeland Security, to Portland, Oregon, resulting in increased mayhem and injuries to nonviolent protesters.

and last i heard DHS, FBI, ATF or any other federal agency can conduct operations, investigations, training or protect federal buildings, in any state with out request or authorization from that state.not only that Federal Law Enforcement are not Federal Troops. besides that they were there protecting Federal buildings same thing ya'll are crying about him not doing here until it was half over.

Last summer, DHS deployed law enforcement officers from several agencies to help the Federal Protective Service protect federal facilities in Portland as part of its “cross-designation” authority. Between June 4 and August 31, 755 officers from the Federal Protective Service, Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the US Secret Service took part in the operation. At the time, federal law enforcement officials and protesters became locked in a tense standoff centered at the Mark O. Hatfield US Courthouse in downtown Portland. Over the summer, local Portland officials publicly clashed with DHS over the deployment, which critics said inflamed the situation.
Department of Homeland Security was ‘unprepared’ for Portland response during summer unrest, watchdog finds

so again the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: RazorV66

What was the goal of J6 rioters?

Who knows and who cares?

It wasn’t a coup, nobody attempts a coup unarmed.

originally posted by: frogs453
Tucker cherry picked what he showed you. What he failed to show you was the mob, with Chansley following behind pushing through the police line. Then when they arrived at the door, a fellow protestor, Edward Kelley broke the window, climbed through and let them all in. Once in, the number of officers were in the minority. Many did try to ask them nicely to leave etc.

How can it be that too few officers were facing down a rioting crowd of thousands yet a throng of uniformed officers were calmly showing Chansley around?

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: RazorV66

What was the goal of J6 rioters?

I’m wondering that as well.

By outnumbering law enforcement 10 to 1 you’d think they would have achieved it.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
By outnumbering law enforcement 10 to 1 you’d think they would have achieved it.

Can it be the goal of most of them was to protest the certification of the election results, but a small cadre of provocateurs hoped to make it snowball into a riot and then a coup?

a reply to: Solvedit


" Am I the only one who suspects DT may have had the protesters let in somehow? "

Yes . Is that You Hillary ?

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: RazorV66

What was the goal of J6 rioters?

Who knows and who cares?

It wasn’t a coup, nobody attempts a coup unarmed.

Most of the crowd probably was there to protest the certification. Things snowballed, perhaps as the result of deliberate agitation by instigators planted in the crowd.

Had the crowd shown more resolve, they could have overwhelmed the Capitol Police. They didn't plan a coup, and they caught themselves and stopped the riot.

Some of them may have been armed. How many of them have tattoos that read "The 2nd Amendment is my concealed permit?"

Someone left bombs lying around on the previous night.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: RazorV66

What was the goal of J6 rioters?

I’m wondering that as well.

By outnumbering law enforcement 10 to 1 you’d think they would have achieved it.

Suppose they weren't all on board but someone hoped to provoke a protest to turn into a riot which would then turn into a coup. Perhaps there were as few as ten instigators who were in on the plan.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Solvedit
I see you added "far right" . Why ????
Totally uncalled for .
That statement by Jefferson was for ALL US citizens , regardless of political parties .

My point is not about what Jefferson said. My point is the crowd which was there that day was probably associated with the notion.

It doesn't matter whether it also applies to the center or the far Left or whether the center or the far Left say it a lot because we're not talking about whether the center or the far Left espouses ideas which an instigator might think they could use to their advantage. If we were talking about Biden instigating a coup, then it would be germane to point out whether the Left believed in violent overthrow, but we're not.

a reply to: SigmaXSquared

the national guard in washington was told to ignore trump by the pentagon request for more security.