out of curiosity, are we 100% sure man is responsible for climate change?

originally posted by: network dude




I don't think you understand. 97% of scientists all agree man determines the weather and climate. We have amazing powers. We are awesome.

I'd like to add that likely a similar percentage of scientists receive grants or tax money from the very governments and NGO's that benefit most from the results either by more control, more money or both. The scientists are not going to bite the hand that feeds them making results pre-ordained.

Their results are suspect to me as there really is no independent study and little that has been is ridiculed by corrupted establishment interests.

a reply to: loveguy

the thing about cloud seeding is, you have to have a rain producing cloud to first "seed". knowing that, after you seed it, would it have rained anyway, or did the seeing make it rain? I took ivermectin when I got covid and was better the next day. Does that mean Ivermectin cured me? I put all these things in the basket of "stuff I just don't know the answer to".

You misspelled climate hoax

Covid proved money sways science

So scientist that agree with this hoax are in the government gravy train

Other scientist by the 10s of thousands disagree with this nonsense

Need proof??

Use the ats search .. plenty of hoax can be found here

Interesting!

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Halfswede
a reply to: quintessentone
And yet all of these environmental states appeared before and just as severe. There used to be water in death valley. Did the natives cause that with teepee fires?

True, but not at the accelerated rate over a very short period of time, now why is that?

Haha what a comical thing to say.

How long have we collected climate info for? 150 years or so? How accurate was it back then to begin with?

Also, no kidding in a short period of time... so short it doesn't even register on the planets geological timescale. A blink of a blink of a blink of a blink of an eye on that scale. Totally mute.

Look, earth will always remain, aside from the sun going supernova/ a massive asteroid. Will humans remain? No guarantee, at all. So, while I do agree we should keep things clean...how on earth is the myopic focus all on CO2...and literally nothing else? And how is taxing it doing anything but destroying modernity? It's pure absurdity. Making everyone very well off will naturally turn everyone's attention to cleaning up the environment. When you aren't concerned about where your next meal or shelter is, you suddenly have time to care about what's going on around you.

Climate will always change. Humans have ZERO impact on it. However we have been doing a bang up job of poisoning our land/ food/ water....why don't we talk about that? No ability to tax the serfs?

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Good post

Completely agree about the over emphasis of CO2 emissions (water vapour and various fluro-gases are the most destructive as the fluro class are incredibly efficient at absorbing and releasing at absorbing and releasing several thousand times more solar radiation/heat than CO2 giving them a Global Warming Potential up to 10,000 timse more destructive.

Earth and other planets are naturally in a constant state of flux as they're living planets and nature works by chaos mathematics.

The old idea that there's an underlying balance in nature and ecosystems exist was a complete fabrication by a guy called Arthur Tansley who admitted he had no evidence ecosystems existed and he only made the claims because he dreamt he shot his wife one night and went a bit mental.

A massively racist and very influential British Field Marshal, Jan Smuts, used the idea of ecosystems and balance in nature as an excuse to bomb and murder black people in South Africa in 1926 under his 'Holism' ecosystem claims.

Smuts was also mental and used to climb mountains then strip completely naked at the peak and dream up ideas of how nature worked.

Even Einstein was a huge fan of the idea and it was a huge discussion point in 1930s science with the underlying idea that European Empires and white people had to be superior to black people and segregated from them for the false concept that there's an underlying balance in nature to work.

Tansley was rightfully very annoyed at how his hypothesis had been abused and called out Smuts for abusing the concept to claim the British Empire was the natural ruler/dictator of the world. Smuts called for apartheid to be introduced so black people would 'know their place' as an inferior race.

It all got very close to Nazism, Eugenics and Totalitarian but somehow the idea of ecosystems and underlying balance in nature became popular with US hippies and the word ecosystem is still commonly used today despite its incredibly racist past and the fact there's no evidence nature is self organising or equilibrium exists.
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Humans are causing a significant and evident contributiton to global warming as millions of tonnes potential energy that was stored underground is being released into the atmosphere - these all absorb and release heat in addition to the natural cycles. We're in a sixth mass extinction now but that's mainly due to mankind poisoning land/food/water and stealing habitat rather than effects of climate change.

Compared to the likes of mass extinction events that happen every few million years (mass erruptions that would cover the entire US in 5 mile deep magma human emissions are small but it's undeniable that we are causing changes as we're altering the ammount of solar radiation absorbed and ye cannae break the laws of physics (Q = m.c.delta T).

The main problem we don't talk about is how capitalism is compltely incompatible and unsustainable on Earth, we're using exponentially more resources each year while out capacity to accessa them only increases linearly meaning we're heading for disaster. It's called the 'grim model' in maths as most peope who study it kill themselves and was a topic we were warned off studying at Uni.

We need to come up with a completely new system as the current alternatives to capitalism are even worse and were largely abandonned/collapsed for good reason.

It was so nice out today, only a balmy 104 for the last 3 days. Enjoy your summer!!

originally posted by: olaru12
It was so nice out today, only a balmy 104 for the last 3 days. Enjoy your summer!!

OMG Global Warming is attacking you right now! Fight back, throw ice cubes at it.

You misspelled climate hoax

I can't stress enough how this is an agenda to tax us for breathing

Cow farts ... Come on now

Scientists on a gravy train paid for by the gooberment

Climate change is real..

Scientists would get paid much more by the oil industry leaders than they ever could with what uou vall the "government gravy train".

Do you not find it suspicious that all the 'prominent' scientist who denounce man's role in climate change and global warming also get paid by big oil and right wing think tanks?

a reply to: jrod

And the WEF agenda that's being pushed massively all over the globe isn't a factor at all, is it.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: jrod

And the WEF agenda that's being pushed massively all over the globe isn't a factor at all, is it.

If the WEF are involved, then they'll be denying climate change After all: more extremes of weather, more famines, less people!

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Everything appears to be connected to the global push for all this to be real. If you deny science has been hijacked by political whims, you aren't paying attention at all. To what degree is the only question left. And all that is something everyone should be concerned with, not just the "r" or "d" side. But with most things, once it's politicized, folks will pick sides and dig in.

It's like denying that BAMN meant just that. It's so much more than taking political sides, it's manipulating the minds of people on a massive scale. And those who have been manipulated, would rather double down, than realize it happened to them.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AndyMayhew

Everything appears to be connected to the global push for all this to be real. If you deny science has been hijacked by political whims, you aren't paying attention at all. To what degree is the only question left. And all that is something everyone should be concerned with, not just the "r" or "d" side. But with most things, once it's politicized, folks will pick sides and dig in.

It's like denying that BAMN meant just that. It's so much more than taking political sides, it's manipulating the minds of people on a massive scale. And those who have been manipulated, would rather double down, than realize it happened to them.

Oh, I don't deny the science has been hijacked by political whims (and in most cases by politicians who don't care a toss about climate change, or even believe in it at all). But that's one reason I don't listen to them (or media commentators) - just the actual science.

a reply to: AndyMayhew

We have a fraction of a tiny amount of data on the climate of the Earth. We don't know what percentage man plays in the warming if any. I doubt anyone disagrees that we can pollute locally like true champs. But the Earth is a very complex machine with many moving parts we don't yet understand. (look at how much we know about the ocean)

I just don't think we have it all figured out as the same scientists you agree are tainted by politics claim. And while we should be doing all we can to treat our surroundings better, we need more data before we abandon our way of life and hand all the money to John Kerry and Al Gore.

a reply to: network dude

I've read that humans and other species more intelligent than we are, used to inhabit the Earth. Intelligent civilizations could have caused some climate deviations. So could the millions of fires mankind used to keep warm, up until recently.

a reply to: network dude

Man made climate change is real,but its not what you think.

Anyone who has studied history knows the climate is always changing. It changed during the roman warm period, and the little ice age. over in the Americas, the mayan civilization was destroyed when desertification destroyed their corn crop... a few hundred years later, it was a dense jungle.

Now that that has been said, man made climate change is intentional!!! You can look up early attempts at man made climate change by reading up on the rain maker who flooded California over 100 years ago. Pick up a popular science mag during the 40's,50's or early 60's and they brag about our ability to manipulate the weather. By the late 60's the weather modification was fully weaponized and we went on to use it in war (operation Popeye). After that things went dark after quite a few nations signed a treaty basically saying that no nation would use weather weapons against another nation.

Today, the elites are using these weather weapons around the world to sell "climate change" as an emergency to take rights away... to put an end to western democracy. If they tried to take your guns/rights/freedoms away, they know they would be hunted down for what they are doing.... but you convince people the planet is dying and they need to give up their rights to stop the planet from killing us all, and these left wingers will side with the elites and turn their weapons against those who have common sense and can see whats going on.

a reply to: teddyvetter

I'm not sure cloud seeding is our big problem right now, but hell, it could be.

you should ask these folks.
www.weathermodification.com...

a reply to: network dude

" out of curiosity, are we 100% sure man is responsible for climate change? "

No , the Sun of Man is .......