The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video

I'll just add that there are connections here that start in the late 80s with the Vegas UFO Mob.

• Bob Lazar and his crazy story
• Skinwalker Ranch having no more strange history than anywhere else until the Shermans arrived
• Bigelow buying the Ranch and branching out into space
• The Wilson/Davis Memo
• The Alien Autopsy Memo
• The SERPO Hoax
• The Nolan/Green Experiencer Study
• The online leak of the Nimitz video in 2007
• Bigelow winning the AAWSAP contract and destabilizing MUFON as part of it.
• Most of the $22m of AAWSAP still unaccounted for.
• DeLonge being told by McCasland, Weiss, Cary or whoever "we found a lifeform" and other stories.
• Wikileaks revealing only the emails DeLonge sent to Podesta. Not the replies.
• Bigelow selling the ranch
• The formation of TTSA with neuroscientists on its advisory board
• The media blitz in late 2017
• The appearance of new UFO gurus on social media and MSM. Some with more names than they need.
• Grusch appearing on TV with "trust me bro" stories


The connections are all there if you look for them.

The evidence weighs in favor of this being an aspect of an overall long-range gov ufo disinformation plot.

So we have to look beyond this instance of the ATS/ TFT caper to gain true perspective...

If you keep breaking up these ufo dissemination operations, you'll NEVER get the truth.

It was a shot of attempted disinformation that they wanted to go viral, and it didn’t.

US/GOV/MIL psyop grabbed onto this Nimitz affair to validate the TTSA/Delonge/ELizondo/Mellon group with a much more elaborate scheme, and with that one, they hit paydirt.

One has to look at the history of this. Such as, why have the Serpo disinformation hoax come out of the blue in 2005? They often put out disinformation in various degrees now and then and go back into the shadows like cockroaches exposed to the light.

As I said before, Mellon had already been part of a TTSA-type group in 2002. So likely that a smaller microcosmic attempt was brought into the macrocosmic ufo disinformation scheme or this “disclosure” attempt.

I know certain parties here in this thread are adverse to the conspiracy outlook, but the evidence, I believe, backs up my scenario.

a reply to: introufo

Any thoughts on why someone wanted the story to go viral in 2007?

The 'Nimitz UFO' story was getting banded about social media for a few years after on OM forums, reddit and Fighter Sweep.

But it never seemed to gain any real traction until the TTSA "Empty Venue" Press Launch in 2017.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: introufo

Any thoughts on why someone wanted the story to go viral in 2007?

The 'Nimitz UFO' story was getting banded about social media for a few years after on OM forums, reddit and Fighter Sweep.

But it never seemed to gain any real traction until the TTSA "Empty Venue" Press Launch in 2017.

Seeing as they hired Kurth onto BAASS late 2007 and then AAWSAP started soon after.

It could be , and this is pure specualtion on behalf, that they wanted a grass roots push from the public for a program to research UFOs.

a reply to: mirageman

Any thoughts on why someone wanted the story to go viral in 2007

Why Serpo in 2005?
Or The Robert Emenegger in the late 70s?

Or the Linda Howe Doty seduction surrounding that period?

Looking at the big picture...
My point is, for whatever reason, these military ufo hangers-on have for a long time done hit-and-miss disinformation schemes now and then out of nowhere or in direct response to ufo fanatics within the ordinary nonmilitary population, though these kinds, Delonge and Bennewitz, and Bill Moore, for instance, have been military hangers-on to some degree or useful idiots able to be used.

TTSA was a great success. But like many of these sojourns in disinformation, you know them all well, being an astute researcher, they come out of the blue or often times associated with an ardent ufologist like Linda Howe or Ufo buff like Delonge all the way back to the way they used Bill Moore and Bennewitz.
Looking at the whole picture, It’s kind of obvious what’s going on, IMO.

Even Vallee, who may or may not be a part of this perennial scheme, admits this in his new book FS5 in and around 2002-2004 part of that journal where he exposes some pearls amongst his scattered diary.

It is all going to now, I believe, enter into the surreal as the American Congress naively enters into this realm of deception, we've all been familiar with.

So get your cotton candy...It's going to be like Ed Sullivan used to say...

A really big show!

originally posted by: introufo

Looking at the whole picture, It’s kind of obvious what’s going on, IMO.

Even Vallee, who may or may not be a part of this perennial scheme, admits this in his new book FS5 in and around 2002-2004 part of that journal where he exposes some pearls amongst his scattered diary.

What particularly seems obvious, intro? I'm also curious as to what you gleaned from FS5? I read the first three and found them interesting and somewhat useful. Scattered pearls is a good analogy. I didn't swallow any of it whole though.

a reply to: The GUT

Uncle sam saw that ufo interest went down and uncle sam really wants us to believe in aliens.

Enter grusch whose sources are eric davies, tseremy lockerion barbel and george i got element 115 buried in the desert knapp to stir the pot.

The gullible idiots who followed afterwards rediscovering the lazar hoax, sneider, greer and every other hoax under the sun did the rest. It is quite amazing that people want to believe so badly that they deny any and all evidence pointing to the vegas mafia being a circus of snake oil sellers.

That said, grusches hearsay will come collapsing down in the following months but gullible idiots will go on discovering yet another conspiracy of how the grusch messiah got discredited

And so it goes

Forgot to add to that steaming pile kean, blumenthal and our new addition ross coolfart. The new battlefields of ufo lore are now reddits, podcasts, and yt channels.

All of them have one thing in common. Lots of trustmebro stories and ZERO evidence

a reply to: IMSAM

is quite amazing that people want to believe so badly that they deny any and all evidence pointing to the vegas mafia being a circus of snake oil sellers.

There are plenty snake oil seller's out there and a lot of loony tunes. Let's see what the future brings us.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep


Let's see what the future brings us.

Diet snake oil. No sugar, No calories but with all the flavor

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: introufo

Looking at the whole picture, It’s kind of obvious what’s going on, IMO.

Even Vallee, who may or may not be a part of this perennial scheme, admits this in his new book FS5 in and around 2002-2004 part of that journal where he exposes some pearls amongst his scattered diary.

What particularly seems obvious, intro? I'm also curious as to what you gleaned from FS5? I read the first three and found them interesting and somewhat useful. Scattered pearls is a good analogy. I didn't swallow any of it whole though.

What I mean by scattered pearls is after you read through his personal stuff, which can be a bit challenging, he spills some beans.

Vallee names names, generals, and specialists. Here are some quotes. Of course, in a 600-page book, there is much more than Valle trying to write like a poet. Have at it...

Vallee, Jacques. Forbidden Science 5: Pacific Heights: The Journals of Jacques Vallee 2000-2009 (p. 255). Anomalist Books. Kindle Edition.

...This is where the real story begins. The details are written down in a transcript of an interview that Wilson gave to “an Air Force officer who was hoping to join DIA.” The man in question was Eric Davis. They met in April 1997 in the parking lot of EG&G in Las Vegas at Grier and Paradise (29). The transcript is stupefying. Here is Wilson explaining that he searched through the records of special access programs under the authority of the SAPOC (oversight committee). He found not one but three programs related to UFOs. None of the three would talk to him, but they referred him to a fourth group, and he insisted on talking to that project. The meeting took place with the head of the group, plus an assistant and an attorney. It became clear that all they wanted out of the meeting was to know how Wilson had learned of their existence! They also made it clear that, J2 or not J2, he wouldn’t be given access. Admiral Wilson reportedly got very, very mad at that point and insisted on knowing “why they were spending his (DIA’s) money.” The answer was that the project was not under his jurisdiction because it was not a weapons program; nor was it an intelligence program or a special ops program. “So what is it?” Wilson reportedly insisted. The project leader groaned and didn’t answer but his attorney said he had to, so he said: “We’re a reverse engineering program.” At that point Wilson thought he got it: “Russian? New Chinese device?” No, they said, they had an Alien craft. They had been studying it for many years, and they were getting nowhere. They gave him no details. They said they had “almost been outed once,” evidently referring to General Sheehan’s inquiry, so they were nervous. The security budget for the program was six or seven times the research budget. Wilson was shown the bigot list. It included between 400 to 800 people, depending on the years and budget, but no President, no member of Congress, no intelligence agent, only scientists, managers, and engineers. Hal remarked that to be invited one had to have something to contribute: “What are our chances?” We don’t even know who the major contractor is.” “What about biological material?” I asked. “There were no biologists on the list,” was the answer. We agreed there must be another project dealing with biology, but where is the coordination, I asked? Tom Wilson went back to SAPOC and raised hell. He was “livid at the lack of oversight,” he told his interviewer (Eric Davis) but he was told that if he didn’t drop it, he’d lose two stars and would never be director of DIA. Wilson did drop it, but he remained mad. He was director of DIA from 1999 to 2002.


...Eric is now in touch with the vice-chairman of the association, who is none other than former president George Bush, Sr. They’ve spoken twice on the phone. The first phone call was initiated by Bush who gave Eric some advice about AFIO and his future career. Eric told him about his interest in the Corso revelations: “Could it be that Corso was mistaken in dealing with the material he was handling? Could that have been Nazi hardware?” Eric asked.
...Over lunch, Paul Saffo asked me what I thought of the stories about government cover-up. “I’ve heard the same rumors you have,” I only replied, evading his question. Paul knows John Petersen and regards him as a clever man with a peculiar set of beliefs. Like Janine, Paul believes the government cannot keep a secret very long, but Hal has now convinced me otherwise: They don’t have to keep any secret. All they need to do is confuse everybody about what it means, by planting crazy people and fake stories, manipulating the credulous, destroying good people’s careers, and derailing research.

Austin. Friday 3 October 2003. Today I saw a cold fusion experiment in progress at the Institute for Advanced Studies, and also the last remaining Nazi Shauberger saucer, which EarthTech hasn’t been able to fly. I showed them my four databases, my ongoing analyses, and the trends resulting from it. Then I read again the Wilson interview and reviewed the physics meetings of 1985 that led to a briefing of the Army Science Board on 18 November 1987. Blackburn was there, as was Kit (as Chair). The meeting with Greer, Ed Mitchell, and Miller took place on 4 April 1997. They briefed Admiral Crawford and General Patrick Hughes, then director of DIA. Wilson was in contact with the NNSA (National Nuclear Security Agency) and the AFIO (Association of Former Intelligence Officers) who helped him dig into the black programs.

...My friends believe the hardware reverse engineering project in question is not a simple special access program but belongs to “a special subset of the unacknowledged/carve-out/waived programs.” In other words, there is no way to know the codeword and the budgets hidden inside other SAP budgets stacked like Russian dolls. The interview of Wilson mentions other names, like Paul Kaminski, Brigadier General Kostelnick, director of SAPOC, at OUSDAT in 1994-97, and Judith Daly, assistant deputy, OUSDAT. Bill Perry was involved, as was Jacques Gansler again, who told Wilson that “UFOs were real, and abductions were not.” Confused, I went over some of the chronology again. Evidently the program was inside the government at some point. Under Nixon it got transferred to a private contractor in order to secure it. As in the remote viewing program at SRI, the parts that the managers wanted kept secret were handled as “proprietary,” not subject to FOIA. Classified papers are subject to review and reclassification, while proprietary data can be kept secret forever.

...At the Pentagon briefing organized by Greer, Commander Miller, who is a firm believer in UFOs, managed to meet with Admiral Tom R. Wilson, who was deputy director of DIA and J2, in charge of all military intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Wilson was unimpressed by Greer, and he was upset at the meeting with Miller, who “sounded flakey,” but he was reportedly influenced by Shannon and agreed to look into the existence of a possible secret project involving UFO hardware. William Perry, Secretary of Defense at the time, authorized his review of black project budgets, and Wilson did find a multi-billion-dollar discrepancy that he tracked down, as General Jack Sheehan had done a few years before. All this simply confirms what many of us already knew. At the time, activist-journalist Leslie Kean published an article in the Boston Globe that mentioned Wilson’s name, and he was ridiculed by colleagues as a result.

...This is where the real story begins. The details are written down in a transcript of an interview that Wilson gave to “an Air Force officer who was hoping to join DIA.” The man in question was Eric Davis. They met in April 1997 in the parking lot of EG&G in Las Vegas at Grier and Paradise (29). The transcript is stupefying. Here is Wilson explaining that he searched through the records of special access programs under the authority of the SAPOC (oversight committee). He found not one but three programs related to UFOs. None of the three would talk to him, but they referred him to a fourth group, and he insisted on talking to that project. The meeting took place with the head of the group, plus an assistant and an attorney. It became clear that all they wanted out of the meeting was to know how Wilson had learned of their existence! They also made it clear that, J2 or not J2, he wouldn’t be given access. Admiral Wilson reportedly got very, very mad at that point and insisted on knowing “why they were spending his (DIA’s) money.”
The answer was that the project was not under his jurisdiction because it was not a weapons program; nor was it an intelligence program or a special ops program. “So what is it?” Wilson reportedly insisted. The project leader groaned and didn’t answer but his attorney said he had to, so he said: “We’re a reverse engineering program.” At that point Wilson thought he got it: “Russian? New Chinese device?” No, they said, they had an Alien craft. They had been studying it for many years, and they were getting nowhere. They gave him no details. They said they had “almost been outed once,” evidently referring to General Sheehan’s inquiry, so they were nervous. The security budget for the program was six or seven times the research budget. Wilson was shown the bigot list. It included between 400 to 800 people, depending on the years and budget, but no President, no member of Congress, no intelligence agent, only scientists, managers, and engineers. Hal remarked that to be invited one had to have something to contribute: “What are our chances?” We don’t even know who the major contractor is.” “What about biological material?” I asked. “There were no biologists on the list,” was the answer. We agreed there must be another project dealing with biology, but where is the coordination, I asked? Tom Wilson went back to SAPOC and raised hell. He was “livid at the lack of oversight,” he told his interviewer (Eric Davis) but he was told that if he didn’t drop it, he’d lose two stars and would never be director of DIA. Wilson did drop it, but he remained mad. He was director of DIA from 1999 to 2002. At this point he’s taking over as president of ATK missiles in Edina, Minnesota. He is being polygraphed and may be concerned to be accused of unknowingly leaking privileged information.

Then I read again the Wilson interview and reviewed the physics meetings of 1985 that led to a briefing of the Army Science Board on 18 November 1987. Blackburn was there, as was Kit (as Chair). The meeting with Greer, Ed Mitchell, and Miller took place on 4 April 1997. They briefed Admiral Crawford and General Patrick Hughes, then director of DIA. Wilson was in contact with the NNSA (National Nuclear Security Agency) and the AFIO (Association of Former Intelligence Officers) who helped him dig into the black programs. My friends believe the hardware reverse engineering project in question is not a simple special access program but belongs to “a special subset of the unacknowledged/carve-out/waived programs.” In other words, there is no way to know the codeword and the budgets hidden inside other SAP budgets stacked like Russian dolls. The interview of Wilson mentions other names, like Paul Kaminski, Brigadier General Kostelnick, director of SAPOC, at OUSDAT in 1994-97, and Judith Daly, assistant deputy, OUSDAT. Bill Perry was involved, as was Jacques Gansler again, who told Wilson that “UFOs were real, and abductions were not.” Confused, I went over some of the chronology again. Evidently the program was inside the government at some point. Under Nixon it got transferred to a private contractor in order to secure it. As in the remote viewing program at SRI, the parts that the managers wanted kept secret were handled as “proprietary,” not subject to FOIA. Classified papers are subject to review and reclassification, while proprietary data can be kept secret forever.
...Where does all this leave Bob Lazar’s story? It smells of official disinformation, my friends say, like the doctored MJ-12 documents, serving the purpose of confusing the casual researchers and wasting their time. I think Jim Westwood is wrong with his idea of linking ufology with biological warfare; it must be even bigger than that. I sketched out a list of who might know the truth, and who probably doesn’t. Ed Mitchell has no details. Based on what Bernie Haisch learned at Lockheed, Kit must know a lot, as do Joe Firmage and John Petersen. Bigelow and his foreign friend are smart outsiders, and John Schuessler’s access is probable but dated, given his participation in the McDonnell study of the late seventies. Colonel Blackburn, too, is an enigma. He once told to me that he’d seen a piece of UFO metal that looked like a wing section. Those who worked on the project were doing so under extreme hardship conditions because of the time distortion induced by the craft. But didn’t he also try to convince me that the US had a base on Mars? We spoke of MJ-12 and Menzel.* There’s an article by him entitled “Superstars and the Black Hole Myth” (11 June 1975) that predates Hal’s work on zero-point energy. Menzel cites one Hüseyin Yilnaz, of the Perception Technology Corporation (30). Hal and I discussed Corso. And what about our unique data: Should we go to our graves with it (my first choice), or pass it on securely? And if so, to whom?

The most interesting part in fs5 is the name zodiac that will pop up in the next months. And davis. Behind every steaming pile of cow dung you find a rotund smiling davis full of stories but empty of any proof

a reply to: IMSAM

Funny you should mention "Zodiac". The story has been around a long time of course. And it is a "story".

Keith Basterfield has mentioned it on his blog today too : Zodiac

Apparently Puthoff, despite it appearing in a UFO magazine in the 90s, thought that it presented "only slightly fictionzlized" stories of a UFO crash retrieval operation. With its hero being Sedge Maseters.

Although Monsieur Valle has said ""Eric [Davis] has complied his own file, but it doesn't lead to the verifiable, hard facts we need."

Ain't that the story?

a reply to: mirageman

A story exactly mm, and guess which famous goatee bearing individual is touting this story lately. I wonder why. This corpulent davis fellow feels like a mastermind behind the scenes. Every toilet flashed has him appear like a turd-o-lantern.


Sedge masters, i dont know why but i got a gut feeling he was another grifter in this charade. I cant remember why exactly atm

Excuse me, mm, I wasn't thinking, I don't want to derail your thread. Maybe I should have posted it in GUTs OP... perhaps I overdid it, but I hope I conveyed some useful information.

We need another Mirage Men book or movie to connect all these dots from the beginning to today's disclosure era and things like the TFT.

There are some good researchers and writers here. The time is ripe for a ufo mirage man type of blockbuster, and when all this hype bursts, you might have a bestseller.

Wait until it bursts, though, and it likely will; Im sorry to say...

It's a needed project. Just think, few know about TFT, all the public knows about is the mythology of Delonge and Elizondo.

And the reason they can get over on the public is that the issue is not important to the few truly investigative reporters still around.

a reply to: introufo


No need for more mirage men. Cattle mutilations? Uncle sam. Crop circles? Microwave weapons. Ufos? Uncle sams virtual reality. Abductions? Same vr tech.

Bottom line, is there anything to all this ufo stuff? I will tentatively say yes. As vallee would say, more rigorous scientific analysis is needed. Meaning more money should be spent because food needs to be put on hhe table

Yet what does one expect to find from metals dropped from the phenomenon? Ubatuba, trinity and all the other ufo pieces have resulted in nothing. All that crap about isotopic ratios will lead nowhere as it hasnt already in 20 odd years.

The trickster in the phenomenon is omnipotent. He holds the laser and we run around like bamboozled cats.

a reply to: IMSAM

TextYet what does one expect to find from metals dropped from the phenomenon? Ubatuba, trinity and all the other ufo pieces have resulted in nothing. All that crap about isotopic ratios will lead nowhere as it hasnt already in 20 odd years.

There addicted to science. I laugh when Vallee rights so naively about studying alien/ufo phenomena with a scientific method.

The trickster in the phenomenon is omnipotent. He holds the laser and we run around like bamboozled cats.

Ah...the trickster. That boogie man of the sky... Sure as we grow up and see The Wizard of Oz were momma and daddy? And the devil too!

Seriously, as for mirage men, I refer to a sober documentary style, fact-filled piece going against the grain of the new wave, though after everyone there hath drowned...

originally posted by: IndieA
I hate to burst your guys bubble, but it's time to realize that there's no solid evidence that advanced intelligence has come anywhere near Earth. All of our accomplishments are the cumulation of human intelligence, ingenuity, hard work, teamwork, and time. The problem it seems, is that when technology is kept secret, it can seem like magic, or out of this world.

Maybe, but this is at least a lot better than Roswell type stories that were all based around eyewitness claims that were from people now aged in their 70’s, 80’s.

a reply to: MrInquisitive
It wasn’t that long.
I read it all in 5 minutes. Really need to complain about everything?