The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video

a reply to: IMSAM

By Royal Appointment.

King Charlie is a UFO experiencer himself and wanted to drop a few "UFO Bombs" with BF Lue in person.



Still no news on whether anyone sold Zondo a bridge or not.

a reply to: mirageman

Damn. I would give ten stars if I could.

a reply to: introufo

The Nimitz case had folk leaking details all over the internet once the video was posted to ATS. The Open Minds Forum was one place. Reddit was another. Fighter Sweep. Even that fantasy world that is Corey Goode's website leaked two of the DIRD papers produced by AAWSAP.

Also, Chris Mellon vaguely mentioned it in Huff Post in 2016 [note the author of the piece too]. Leslie Kean.

Q: Do you recall any incidents involving UFOs while you were in government?

A: Yes, there were a handful of incidents. Knowing of my interest in UFOs, a breathless naval aviator called me one day to report that he was present minutes earlier when a Navy jet landed after being circled by a UFO in broad daylight. The Navy did not pursue the issue as far as I could tell.


Chris Mellon - Huff Post 2016

Whatever this has been and is all about resides in a fuzzy area of vague and conflicting statements.

a reply to: mirageman

Sanity check…..where’re are we now with “The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video”???

So far….I’m with The Gut & Koi that TFT and TFTR are one and the same…it’s my gut feeling. I’m convinced TFT was an ADP technician with access to the Flir Tic-Tac footage on the Nimitz. I suspect with his friendly relationship at the time with Cometa….Cometa did him the (backup) favor to contact the German video hosting folks, to upload and release the footage to the world, in the www.

I suspect in the years that followed….when Lue and Mellon decided to go rogue …I submit Lue and Mellon were aware that the Nimitz footage was already out there in www land…..and decided to request on DD Form 1910..the Nimitz footage ..along with the footages from the other Navy ships. It was a good mix for demonstration purposes….and not just the Nimitz footage ….to help prove their points.

I suspect as to why the Navy didn’t think it was a concern that the Nimitz didn’t say anything about the footage was that the footage was, at the time, at a low level of viewership i.e. disseminated in the lower depths of wacko fringe UFOlogy communities. And so that’s where the footage lived………until Lou & Mellon came along…….then the Nimitz footage made it out of the lower depths and into the mainstream media.

Seems all plausible to me…as the origin…

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

A brief summary

1. Feb 3rd 2007 [on ATS] - TFT posts first account of a saucer hovering over the fleet sometime in 2005 at 23:00 and all personeel told to freeze in their postions. Claims a CD of video and files exists but lost at friends/relatives home.

2. Feb 4th 2007 - TFT stats new thread about UFO incident in Nov 2004. He'd even been back to the ship in the 4 hours since his last post on ATS and either burned a new CD or found the original (he is never clear on which despite questions).

3. Cometa posts this video to VIsion Unlimited, a German film student website. Along with an event summary that describes an encounter with a white capsule shaped object.

4. Dec 2017 NYT and others use the FLIR video to reveal a hidden government UFO study.

5 June 2019 - Someone claiming to be TFT appears on ATS again and is given the benefit of doubt by ATS members that it is same person.

6. TFT claims his senior ADP officer ordered him to install a CD burner onto his work station. Although he doesn't confirm who besides himself ever made a copy of the video.

That, in the main, is the story we've been told anyway.

a reply to: mirageman

So then……

What is your personal gut opinion to answer your “The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video”

Is your brief summary above, the “Origins” you’ve been seeking?

If not, then how much more or what else do you need to satisfy your “Origins” goal?

I’m sticking to what I have written..in a broad sense.

I gather you don’t agree with The Gut and Koi about establishing and verifying TFTR as TFT through behind the scenes emails and telephone conversations.

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It's no doubt these insiders have been since 2000 and before messing around, poking inside and out of the ufo scene.

Vallee, I reported a few days ago on GUTs thread, wrote in 2002 that, according to Kit Green, Chris Mellon was part of an infotainment and advanced aeronautics group in 2002. Sounds like DeLong's 2017 TTSA 15 years before it came out; Mellon was in a similar secret group.

And Mellon shows up a big shot in the 2017 TTSA affair?
Coincidence? I doubt it.

I think this and this TFT episode are part of the same insider-outsider ufo characters doing their ufo thing on the public.

This might be an isolated techie exposing this but also might be an operation that they thought would go viral.

So in 2017, with Delong'e and his "advanced aeronautic and ufotianment( Vallee uses the term infotainment for the 2002 Mellon group) obsession or TTSA in 2017 were tried out in 2002 by this secret Mellon group, and then they put much more of an investment in Delongs group.

And it worked!

I think we can rule out the question of whether TFT gave the video to Elizondo/Mellon because the video originally posted to ATS is not the same version of the video released by TTSA. IIRC it remains unclear why the resolution and encoding of TFT's version differs from the one released years later.

originally posted by: alphadunk
I think we can rule out the question of whether TFT gave the video to Elizondo/Mellon because the video originally posted to ATS is not the same version of the video released by TTSA. IIRC it remains unclear why the resolution and encoding of TFT's version differs from the one released years later.

The videos are not binary duplicates but they are nearly identical, and the horizontal resolution IS identical at 352 pixels. There are a few pixels difference vertically but both display at 4:3 ratio so the 2007 video gets stretched vertically a bit to reach the full 4:3 ratio, while the pixels in the 2020 Navy release are naturally 4:3 without any stretching. I don't see much difference between them and I think I could convert the 2007 video to something nearly identical the 2020 video in less than a minute on my PC.

It's not that unclear to me why the codecs are different, back in 2004-2007 the mpeg-1 codec was in widespread use, and that's what the video posted in 2007 uses. By 2020 the x264 codec was in widespread use, and that's what the Navy release uses, so in both cases they are just using contemporary compression technology, and I really don't see much difference between them.

I wouldn't rule anything out just because someone may have converted an mpeg-1 video to an x264 video. I doubt the US Navy was using x264 compression in 2004, it was in its infancy then and use wasn't widespread like it was in 2020.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

What is your personal gut opinion to answer your “The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video”

Is your brief summary above, the “Origins” you’ve been seeking?

If not, then how much more or what else do you need to satisfy your “Origins” goal?

I am still suspect of how this story was first presented and then changed, with the video (and event summary) both turning up conveniently within hours. I could understand someone posting it once they'd left the service. But not waiting some 2 years and 3 months while they were still assigned to the same role on the same ship.

I gather you don’t agree with The Gut and Koi about establishing and verifying TFTR as TFT through behind the scenes emails and telephone conversations..

It' was a process I was not part of, I don't think it was established 100% that TFTR was TFT. The Navy did not seem to be that concerned about the leak. Even if it may have involved the loss of sensitive documents too. So it could be a hoax, a psy-op or something else.

But maybe TFT really did forget what really happened. Then, when he'd smuggled the video & files off the ship, remembered the dates, times and events with total recall. Everything that followed was just a massive coincidence?

But it still feels off to me.

a reply to: mirageman

But it still feels off to me

That is because it is!

What exactly do we suspect?

On one hand, we know the vaunted US military intel security structure has been shown to be a very leaky and flimsy boat.

Snowden, a low-level network computer guy working for Dell, and now this case of national guardsmen leaking secrets on a social media site shows us it's not that secure.

That may tell us this was merely an IT guy trying to get attention.
Or a low-level psyop to do exactly what?

A part of creeping disclosure that didn’t go viral?

Naturally, they might make the discloser look shaky to make it look legitimately like a lone wolf...a sloppy one at that.

If it were more sophisticated, it wouldn’t look like a lone leaker.

What does the fact that, apparently, the Navy didn’t care about this security leak tell us?

And it appears the leaker told too many details about himself. Any legit Inquiry could easily find the culprit.

What does that tell us?

a reply to: mirageman

It' was a process I was not part of

If I may MM, without offense….

To be fair….it seems to me you could have been part of the process.

As I read some of your posts in “The Nimitz story in the former OMF forum” thread ….imo….the feeling I get is that you came off a bit as a sarcastically vibe’d hardline skeptic in your posts. Perhaps starting with “Of Monsters and Men” ….…and your modified lyrics of the “In the Navy” song.

Essentially you pissed TFTR off…imo…

You can tell because TFTR didn’t reply, respond, comment on any of your posts…..perhaps he felt it …as you being a “blankity blank”

Your tone just wasn’t there for him….so it appeared you were ignored.

And so since then….you have devoted 2 threads, one in 2020 “The IDs of the Parties involved in the 2007 Nimitz UFO Video Leak are Known” and now 2023 “The Mysterious Origins of the Nimitz UFO Video” … all of it post TFT/TFTR activity …to seeking answers you may not get ….when previously you had the chance, with a better approach while TFTR was still actively posting.

Meanwhile The Gut and Koi were getting positive results with their bedside manners.

Just an observation MM

Welp…ya never know…maybe TFTR will return yet again….but it’s no guarantee he’ll answer your questions even then. It all depends how you come across….I guess…there is such a thing as starting off on the wrong foot.

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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Well you can see him on LinkedIn.

👍🏼 Bingo

Observed …2 of the 3 could have been roommates…because of contacts association.

The birds of a feather stick together analogy.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

If I may MM, without offense….

To be fair….it seems to me you could have been part of the process.

I'm not offended.

Me verifying TFTR's ID was never something that was on the cards. TFTR had already contacted Isaac and The GUT on his 'return'. Isaac had previously communicated in 2007 with TFT. I don't think I even posted until maybe a day or two later after TFTR appeared and contacted them.

You can tell because TFTR didn’t reply, respond, comment on any of your posts…..perhaps he felt it …as you being a “blankity blank”

Your tone just wasn’t there for him….so it appeared you were ignored.

I didn't directly question or address any comments made by TFTR in that thread, and was not communicating with him directly at any stage. So maybe it was a lost opportunity.

However it was only a couple of years later that I realised the initial thread by TFT about a saucer hovering over the fleet at night was significantly different from the one authored a day later and other discrepancies.

But I'll throw it back to you and ask what do you think of the inconsistencies in the story and the apparent apathy towards tracking down the culprit by the military. When all they had to do was ask the people who already knew his identity?

a reply to: mirageman

what do you think of the inconsistencies in the story and the apparent apathy towards tracking down the culprit by the military. When all they had to do was ask the people who already knew his identity?

Good question if I understand it…... If you mean all the government had to do was ask Gut & Koi?

That depends if you believe the Military and IC community have been monitoring ATS in order to gleam the Gut and Koi intel.

Otherwise how else would the government get wind that Gut & Koi tracked down the leaker’s identity by name of the Nimitz footage.

As for the inconsistencies…… I suspect perhaps, just maybe…..TFT used the saucer description in the beginning, as an analogy to what was actually seen as a capsule. His young reasoning may have been that a UFO as a traditional saucer shape would be much more acceptable as a description versus the boring shape of a capsule (Tic-Tac).

Or thinking ….that by mentioning a saucer description he was being cautious about revealing what the shape really was….and so …he wasn’t really giving away ALL the details to something that would be considered Confidential.

Who’s knows why he changed up.

But at this point in time, after this span of years…..does the origins matter? Is it relevant? What is the upside(s) that would change anything about the Nimitz footage…that by now, everyone and grandma knows about.

Imo…and in hindsight knowing who TFT/TFTR is …..the origins is not going to change anything….that hasn’t already transpired. It doesn’t appear that anyone in government cares to track down TFT for prosecution.


By the way….do we know the origins of the Go-Fast and Gimble leaks if they were both leaked at all?

Why such a strong focus on the Nimitz leak at this stage of the game?

Imo ….all Ufology roads don’t lead to your fixated nemesis Bigelow and his crew…the Vegas Mob…if that’s what your thinking the “origins” of the Nimitz footage will lead too….as you might hope it does…… Just sayin.

If TFT is not a factor in your “origins” search…..and instead you want to focus on “origins” from an Lu & Mel direction….then good luck with that.

As I already have mentioned……I think Lu & Mel found out after the fact of TFT’s leak…..and leveraged it on the request DD Form 1910. But if your attempt to find the “origins” is by working back through Lu & Mel and TTSA and Bigelow plus Vegas mob……again good luck with that.

TFT has my vote….and should be thanked for his efforts….that openly and now publicly helped to make the Tic-Tac transparent to the citizenry and around the world. Because of the tic-tac, the gimble, and go-fast vids….the government said to the world UAP’s are real.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Imo ….all Ufology roads don’t lead to your fixated nemesis Bigelow and his crew…the Vegas Mob…if that’s what your thinking the “origins” of the Nimitz footage will lead too….as you might hope it does…… Just sayin.

I wouldn't say all roads lead there, but don't you find it interesting DeLonge and co in Blink-182 performed on the Nimitz not too long before the Nimitz UFO encounter (just the year before), and of course we've seen Delonge linked to Puthoff in TTSA and Puthoff linked to Bigelow, so at least in the topic of this particular UFO case, there do seem to be roads or at least interesting coincidences involving the vegas UFO mob.

blink-182 - What´s my age again? - Live at USS Nimitz 08-27-2003

a reply to: Arbitrageur


Maybe Tom should come by on ATS again ?

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Good question if I understand it…... If you mean all the government had to do was ask Gut & Koi? That depends if you believe the Military and IC community have been monitoring ATS in order to gleam the Gut and Koi intel. Otherwise how else would the government get wind that Gut & Koi tracked down the leaker’s identity by name of the Nimitz footage.

Are you telling me that there was a leak of the video online on ATS, yet the intel services could not find the original thread where it had been leaked? Along with comments clearly stating that exchange of private information between members? Think it through Ophi.

Imo…and in hindsight knowing who TFT/TFTR is …..the origins is not going to change anything….that hasn’t already transpired. It doesn’t appear that anyone in government cares to track down TFT for prosecution.

That's the point. I don't think they care because it isn't important. Or, simply put, it was meant to get out.

Imo ….all Ufology roads don’t lead to your fixated nemesis Bigelow and his crew…the Vegas Mob...

No. The majority of UFO cases do not involve these characters. But they are tied into this case and a fair few others [hoaxes like SERPO even] and they appear to influence various high profile people too.

Don't forget that this whole "disclosure" push that began in 2017 has its roots very much with Bigelow's Vegas UFO Mob.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I’ve stopped with TFT as the “origins”

TFT was on the Nimitz Dec 2003 - Dec 2007

TDL Nimitz concert August 2003.

I don’t see a chance meeting of TDL and TFT…TDL was long gone before TFT arrived for duty…

TTSA formed in 2017.

Besides……

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