UFO hunter claims new photos are ‘definitive evidence’ that ‘we are not alone’

a reply to: Xtrozero
The last I read up on it , I believe there was well over 1000 factors.(IIRC)
Most not so minor .

a reply to: Xtrozero

All fair points , But I'm a very Glass Half full type of person and it comes down to is Life a constant in the Universe ?

Meaning does the Universe see Life as Necessary or Unnecessary , Is the Universe simply Stars , Gas Planets , Rock Planets , Ice Planets and Black holes is the Universe indifferent and is Life on Earth simply indifferent Chance ?

Perhaps yes , But you say we are good at imagining things Imagination comes from Consciousness and Consciousness does not require oxygen or an atmosphere , Consciousness is alive and well in the Universe.

Their are so so so many life giving stars in our Galaxy alone , All with the potential for Earth like planets , All of which can produce life . We as humans have gone through so many evolution's and test , so what remains ? These vast distances between stars seem so insurmountable . At one time man gazed out upon the sea and was sure there was an edge and all life would go tumbling off the side. Even before that ancient man gazed out from his caves upon the vast forest and was sure it would swallow them whole if they dared to enter.

Now we have the entire planet under a Satellite Grid accurate to within a few feet.

We have the potential , we just have to realize it .

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Mathematics and Logic tells me as much

But Drake's equation and the Laws of Probability , expanded to include as many factors as known , says we may well be alone .

What the hell does Drake know anyway?

a reply to: Xtrozero

For example, if we look at "fi = the fraction of those planets with life where intelligent life develops" We need a lot more help than a planet in the Goldilocks zone.
1. Goldilocks zone
2. Most likely a G-type star
3. Liquid Core 4. large moon
5. Massive vacuums we call Jupiter and Saturn Plus many more minor variables that without them we humans would not be here.

Are these things necessary for human life ...? Yes. Are they necessary for life in-general ? No

Life exist in the lowest most inhospitable depths of the oceans , So life can survive and even thrive in some inhospitable conditions.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

All fair points , But I'm a very Glass Half full type of person and it comes down to is Life a constant in the Universe ?

Meaning does the Universe see Life as Necessary or Unnecessary , Is the Universe simply Stars , Gas Planets , Rock Planets , Ice Planets and Black holes is the Universe indifferent and is Life on Earth simply indifferent Chance ?

I would say life happens when the conditions are right. I don't see it as either Necessary or Unnecessary.

Consciousness is alive and well in the Universe.

What is consciousness? Kind of all different, but with one aspect that is the same whether we are talking about a tree or humans, and that is consciousness is whatever are limited awareness says it is, so it is not some standard in the universe.

But the point that life is on earth and seems to come back over and over no matter what, I would say explains what we would find out there too.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Mathematics and Logic tells me as much

But Drake's equation and the Laws of Probability , expanded to include as many factors as known , says we may well be alone .

What the hell does Drake know anyway?

Drake's equation was a simple exercise in how probability could be used in astronomy .
Drake used a sign of the times (ETs) as a kind of humorous approach .
Since , astronomers have expanded on his equation .

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

We’ve never been alone. It is just interesting that they want to bring certain things to light at certain points.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Are these things necessary for human life ...? Yes. Are they necessary for life in-general ? No

Life exist in the lowest most inhospitable depths of the oceans , So life can survive and even thrive in some inhospitable conditions.

No, I agree 100%. The problem with life is you need long periods of a stabilized environment so that evolution can do its thing. Otherwise, life just keeps getting reset back to simple levels. The OP is about advance life though.

originally posted by: Gothmog

The last I read up on it , I believe there was well over 1000 factors.(IIRC)
Most not so minor .

What a lot of people do not know is life was pretty much at very simple levels for billions of years, and then about 600 million years ago something strange happened. We know that life started at least 3.8 billion years ago, maybe more, but it was for the longest time just simple life not really going anywhere. Then a form of life discovered it could get energy from another lifeform and BAM! the sh!t hit the fan. It turned into this cold war where one side got an edge and the other overcame it, back and forth between predator and prey and life exploded into the advanced life we see today.

Compute that into Drake's equation...

a reply to: Xtrozero
Which further factors the outcome down .

originally posted by: Gothmog

Which further factors the outcome down .

I think that one factor has greatly reduced the chances of advance life of any kind. I can see going to another planet teeming with life and fine fungus and plants mostly.

So, as you can barely see the UFO(?) as it is, how can he say it had a "force field" around it?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Are these things necessary for human life ...? Yes. Are they necessary for life in-general ? No

Life exist in the lowest most inhospitable depths of the oceans , So life can survive and even thrive in some inhospitable conditions.

No, I agree 100%. The problem with life is you need long periods of a stabilized environment so that evolution can do its thing. Otherwise, life just keeps getting reset back to simple levels. The OP is about advance life though.

Agreed , Life is such a fragile thing especially in the beginning.

Think of a Human Newborn , It's helpless .

I imagine Life on Earth in the beginning was much like a Newborn , so fragile and helpless.

originally posted by: andy1972
So, as you can barely see the UFO(?) as it is, how can he say it had a "force field" around it?

Well….let’s see…..here’s the image zoomed in even more……..now, I’ve turned “brightness” all the way down….and “shadows” all the way up…

Clearly as one can see, what appears to be is a (in one’s own interpretation and speculation) ….. “force field”, “Corona”, “halo” , “anti-gravity field”, “energy field”, or just “field” etc. or other words to describe whatever it is that’s surrounding or enveloping the craft.

Interestingly, I find what appears to be some sort of distinct low amplitude sign-wave line of the field at the bottom of the craft shape.


I don’t think anyone at this point can pin down what is generating what’s surrounding it. To say “force field” without proof is speculative. Imo….I would simply use the word “field” as a generic proof-less root cause, asserted benign description.

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Blurry but definitive proof! Just imagine the details not shown and you too will “see!”


a reply to: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Clearly as one can see, what appears to be is a (in one’s own interpretation and speculation) ….. “force field”, “Corona”, “halo” , “anti-gravity field”, “energy field”, or just “field” etc. or other words to describe whatever it is that’s surrounding or enveloping the craft.

Or the results of JPEG compression, that increases the contrast between dark and bright areas, specially when zoomed in in a way that creates pixels that do not exist in the original image.

It would be great if we could see the unedited, uncompressed photo, if it exists.

My hazel green Pareidolia eyes…..speculatively…see’s a possible windscreen, windows, portholes….. which imo would lean towards Earth made.


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originally posted by: ArMaP

It would be great if we could see the unedited, uncompressed photo, if it exists.

Indeed….that would be great to have!

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Even a real size photo would be good, instead of the 1536 x 1335 pixels, WEBP image we have.

Edited to add the "UFO" taken from the published image and resized to 1000% without resampling, so no new pixels were "invented" by the resampling algorithm.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

I imagine Life on Earth in the beginning was much like a Newborn , so fragile and helpless.

I kind of disagree, but I do understand your point. I think life in general is very hardy and will happen over and over, BUT species come and go at will. It is at the level of species that is extremely fragile and only here a short time before it is gone and replaced by other species..rinse and repeat for billions of years.