Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Briggs


I hate to say it , but Websites like this one are magnets for the UNmedicated so to speak .

its a shame that so many people are gulliable to what your saying .

I know what you mean when you say unmedicated-----I have to deal with you people all the time

So take your medication before logging on to this thread

Is that your Answear to my questions ?. i would have expected more from someone who is supposed to be so enlightend.

hi sleeper, i've taken my meds so i'll ask a question

In regards to seeing loved ones on the otherside, lets say 'I' was in a dysfunctional longterm relationship here on earth, and my partner & I split up because she was unfaithful.
Now I will not want to see her ever again, but on the otherside she wants to see me - what happens in that scenario?
Will I be forced to see someone against my will?

excuse the simplicity of the question, but the paradox baffles me.

For the Mods

There seems to be more people against this thread than for it

Therefore feel free to remove it or lock it-----thank you


If you keep it open I will continue to answer questions----so don't blame me for the size of this thread and the danger that it seems to be posing for delicate minds

Ok...let me start of by saying wow, did you really go inside a UFO? And yes aliens are here to harm us, especially the reptilians. they are just biding their times. The GRAYS are the worst...they hate us and all of the aliens look at us like we are cattle. Their deal with the government was adbucting people, and mutiliating cows for their purposes, and in return, the government gets new technology. Now...hasn't their been in raise in technology? Also, reptilians...don't even get me started on those hunks. They are sacrificing children, and satanic stuff..all that junk. The only good aliens are the Andromedians which live the closest to us. Also, these other aliens, the juridan sound like nice aliens. As I have heard from a friend. Ok, So I have personally encountered these reptilians, and they are not friendly.

Originally posted by whitelightwolf
Ok...let me start of by saying wow, did you really go inside a UFO? And yes aliens are here to harm us, especially the reptilians. they are just biding their times. The GRAYS are the worst...they hate us and all of the aliens look at us like we are cattle. Their deal with the government was adbucting people, and mutiliating cows for their purposes, and in return, the government gets new technology. Now...hasn't their been in raise in technology? Also, reptilians...don't even get me started on those hunks. They are sacrificing children, and satanic stuff..all that junk. The only good aliens are the Andromedians which live the closest to us. Also, these other aliens, the juridan sound like nice aliens. As I have heard from a friend. Ok, So I have personally encountered these reptilians, and they are not friendly.

LOL - too much star trek ??. joke .

You sound like you have a insight about aliens in general .
Care to Elaborate on your story OF how/who/when/ and why ?.

Originally posted by sleeper
For the Mods

There seems to be more people against this thread than for it

Therefore feel free to remove it or lock it-----thank you


If you keep it open I will continue to answer questions----so don't blame me for the size of this thread and the danger that it seems to be posing for delicate minds

I agree i think people with common sense are against this thread ,
But i dont think the mods should lock or close it .

I say let this thread run its course , So you can have your say so .
even though i think what your saying isnt true.
but thats my opion.

Originally posted by one_small_step
hi sleeper, i've taken my meds so i'll ask a question

In regards to seeing loved ones on the otherside, lets say 'I' was in a dysfunctional longterm relationship here on earth, and my partner & I split up because she was unfaithful.
Now I will not want to see her ever again, but on the otherside she wants to see me - what happens in that scenario?
Will I be forced to see someone against my will?

excuse the simplicity of the question, but the paradox baffles me.

On the other side all your fears and anger are gone with the wind----while you are there----and you will be the best of friends-----however many centuries may pass before you cross paths again----in the staging area of existence

Everyone you come into contact with on earth has a connection to you from the other side

You can’t control what type of person she is nor how she feels about you----but you can control how you feel about her----you don’t have to be with her but you should forgive any transgressions or ill feelings you have about her----even if its her fault----otherwise you may have to deal with that issue again-----everything has to be resolved in order to move up-----especially anger between two people-----disagreement is ok

PS if my preaching offends please ignore it-----sometimes I go off the deep end with the truth.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by sleeper]

It again and again ends up, the CHOSEN ONE!!!!!!!


Ok for those who believe what he said, start contribute your $ to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by sleeper


Perhaps everything is real, but while inside the ship the atmosphere is like a drug induced experience and difficult to differentiate between reality and imaginary. The minute you step out of the craft the mind goes back to normal.

I can relate to that. My mind is constantly being messed with. See my post on the Area 51 board.

Originally posted by cl888
It again and again ends up, the CHOSEN ONE!!!!!!!


Ok for those who believe what he said, start contribute your $ to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another crybaby who needs his or her nose wiped and crappy diapers changed

You idiots need to take your complaints to the mods and have them remove this thread

I'm not interested in your sissified whining


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[edit on 13-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

It has become very apparent that there are members of ATS who feel the need to not necessarily enter into an intelligent debate with individuals (in the case regarding Sleeper's post) without resorting to personal attacks.

It is every individuals prerogative to choose to believe or disbelieve whether the information provided is true.

It is also every individuals right to question the claims raised by Sleeper by all individuals whom may post within this thread.

However to debunk the claim made based on you own "opinion" is just as unsatisfactory as your reason you choose to debunk in the first place.

You provide no satisfactory evidence to back up your reasoning behind why you disbelieve.

The reason this thread was created was to share a common interest. If you do not share a common interest then do not contribute.

For example, just because you do not believe in Islam it does not mean that you should chastise the religion and because you do not believe in a particular countries culture does not mean you should be critical of it.

By the same token, if you do not believe what Sleeper has to say you may voice it but you certainly should not attack.
If you do not agree with a religion do not worship it, if you do not agree with a countries political or cultural system do not live there and if you do not beleive what Sleeper says then do not attack him.

Provide intelligent rebuttal not a personal attack which only shows how feeble your debating skills really are.

Be challenging! If you can not be considerate or provide intellignet debate and have no feeling but to troll this thread then show a bit of maturity and cease trolling.

Sleeper,
I saw this thread a little late. I don't have time to go through each page and see what you have said to each person's questions, so if I ask you a question that someone already asked, I would appreciate your answer.

1. You said that aliens created us. Why?
2. Did the stories in the bible actually happen, but only with God being and Alien?
3. You said we would never be able to leave our galaxy, or solar system (I forgot which one you said). Is it because we will never be able to get that technologically advanced or because the aliens just won't allow us? If because the aliens won't allow us, why?
4. Is there an afterlife for us (and if so, explain a little)?

Thanks for your time.

Originally posted by Klepto
It has become very apparent that there are members of ATS who feel the need to not necessarily enter into an intelligent debate with individuals (in the case regarding Sleeper's post) without resorting to personal attacks.

It is every individuals prerogative to choose to believe or disbelieve whether the information provided is true.

It is also every individuals right to question the claims raised by Sleeper by all individuals whom may post within this thread.

However to debunk the claim made based on you own "opinion" is just as unsatisfactory as your reason you choose to debunk in the first place.

You provide no satisfactory evidence to back up your reasoning behind why you disbelieve.

The reason this thread was created was to share a common interest. If you do not share a common interest then do not contribute.

For example, just because you do not believe in Islam it does not mean that you should chastise the religion and because you do not believe in a particular countries culture does not mean you should be critical of it.

By the same token, if you do not believe what Sleeper has to say you may voice it but you certainly should not attack.
If you do not agree with a religion do not worship it, if you do not agree with a countries political or cultural system do not live there and if you do not beleive what Sleeper says then do not attack him.

Provide intelligent rebuttal not a personal attack which only shows how feeble your debating skills really are.

Be challenging! If you can not be considerate or provide intellignet debate and have no feeling but to troll this thread then show a bit of maturity and cease trolling.

I havent seen any personal attacks . no more than sleeper has attacked.

if you post in Public forum , you should be rdy to answear questons from both sides of the Isle . whether positive or negative .

Im not sure how you can claim Debunking as your own Opion ??.
if your Giving your opion or your thoughts on the Subject - how is that debunking ?. Sharing your Opion or thoughts may lead to better understanding of the Subject .

Sounds like your saying - if you dont agree - dont say anything ?.

Evidence to back up your disbeliefe ?. is absurd .. Sleeper has offered no evidence to back up his story .

I think its interesting you compare what Sleeper is saying to - Relegion ?.

Critical ?. Actually being Critical can be a learning process . you think of it as critical others may see it as Logical questioning .

As for Sleeper , I dont believe anything he is saying . I think as long as people like you keep giving him the attention he wants , he will keep talking
gibberish.

Originally posted by Briggs

if you post in Public forum , you should be rdy to answear questons from both sides of the Isle . whether positive or negative .

Reasonable questions are being asked although not be some. Many do not wish inteligent conversation and would rather attempt to belittle claims made without providing reasoning.

Im not sure how you can claim Debunking as your own Opion ??.
if your Giving your opion or your thoughts on the Subject - how is that debunking ?. Sharing your Opion or thoughts may lead to better understanding of the Subject .

Sounds like your saying - if you dont agree - dont say anything ?.

what I am saying is that the information regardless of whether it is true are no more unsubstanciated than the reasoning for debunking.

I am not saying that if you don't agree do not say anything. On the contrary, bring to the table any reasonable enquiries, do not make personal attacks on individuals due to what they beleive (unsubstanciated or not) they have experienced. If you cannot provide a valid debate or a reasonable enquiry then why bother to post. If it bothers individuals what has been said and they feel that the information is unpalatable then you do not have to involve yourself in the thread. As has been said in earlier parts of the thread, it is no more unsubstanciated than many of the other claims made. The whole idea is to share ideas and provide intelligent debate.

Evidence to back up your disbeliefe ?. is absurd .. Sleeper has offered no evidence to back up his story .

his experience is evidence, whether you choose to beleive is something you as an individual must draw a conclusion from. If you disbeleive, I don't think Sleeper has a problem with this. I think the problem lies when you go from disbeleiving to outright personal attacks.

I think its interesting you compare what Sleeper is saying to - Relegion ?.

it was a metaphor.. you know what a metaphor is don't you? that is why I specifically provided more than one so that you wouldn't get confused or am I too late in providing adequate reasoning?

Critical ?. Actually being Critical can be a learning process . you think of it as critical others may see it as Logical questioning .

critical is fine, it is integral in enquiring to pursue the truth and reasoning. critical of a subject but not of an individual. that is what diffenrenciates enquiry from attack.

As for Sleeper , I dont believe anything he is saying . I think as long as people like you keep giving him the attention he wants , he will keep talking
gibberish.

That is fine. so I take it you won't need to provide any further input on this thread. If you don't understand what he said then gibberish it may be, if you don't not beleive then credibilty is what you refer to.

Im not here to argue with you .

but i will touch on a few bases .

Experience is not evidence -- you can go to any local mental hospital and some patients will swear up down that they have been through all sorts of Ordeals -- Wich would seem to be an experience to them ...
when in fact , nothing has happened.

And we all know - that even a small event that can happen to an individiual , can lead to exaggeration and being blown way out proportion.
not to mention memories are not infallible .

So no , his Experience is not evidence .

I think that with any good debate - Some people will tend to get louder or use words they normally wouldnt use -- In this case , on this forum ,
You and Or Sleeper may see this as an attack . wich i dont feel is the case.

Actually his Gibberish and crediabilty are the same . I fully understand the words he uses , and the way he is using them hurts his crediabilty.



[edit on 13-2-2006 by Briggs]

Originally posted by Briggs

Experience is not evidence -- you can go to any local mental hospital and the some patients will swear up down that they have been through all sorts of Ordeals -- Wich would seem to be an experience to them ...
when in fact , nothing has happened.

it is as credible as the source in the same way that you may have read a book but with out experiencing or seeing the same things as the book writing you cannot presume they are true unless you rate the credibility of the writer. The credibility is soully down to the individuals belief in the credibility.

And we all know - that even a small event that can happen to an individiual , can lead to exaggeration and being blown way out proportion.
not to mention memories are not infallible .

So no , his Experience is not evidence .

it is as much evidence as having been to the moon or even being aware that some animals exist without coming into conact with such animals. If you choose to beleive that we went to the moon based on ifnormation provided to you then fine. If you chose during your education at school that there were 9 planets in our solar system (which has now been proved to be incorrect - via evidence from individuals) then fine. You choice is to either beleive or not. If you don;t beleive then fine. surely that is the end of you comments regarding Sleepers post?

I think that with any good debate - Some people will tend to get louder or use words they normally wouldnt use -- In this case , on this forum ,
You and Or Sleeper may see this as an attack . wich i dont feel is the case.

I have been a viewer of this thread but not a substancial contributor... it was quite obvious that attacks had been made toward Sleeper. This is not my thread and I also have my opnion about the threads credibility, that does not give me the right to witchhunt the individual.

Actually his Gibberish and crediabilty are the same . I fully understand the words he uses , and the way he is using them hurts his crediabilty.

please tell me that you were joking? how could you comprehend that his credibility and gibberish are the same thing? Credibility is based upon integrity of claims made whereas Gibberish is a generic term for talking that sounds like speech but has no actual meaning.

Originally posted by SentientHunter
Sleeper,
I saw this thread a little late. I don't have time to go through each page and see what you have said to each person's questions, so if I ask you a question that someone already asked, I would appreciate your answer.

1. You said that aliens created us. Why?

Human bodies are what they strap the soul into like a seatbelt on a car-----so that we can experience life on earth----the challenges and everything that goes with individuals lives

2. Did the stories in the bible actually happen, but only with God being and Alien?

The stories in the OT are metaphors created by ET and given to the tribes of Israel----the Jews did live in Egypt and ruled it for nearly two centuries---15th and 18th dynasties they were known as the Hyksos----they were dethroned and chased out of Egypt and wondered in the desert some fleeing to Palestine where they regrouped----they were given a mandate and a history

The NT was created after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and a faction of the few remaining Jews known as the Essenes who escaped banded together and were give a new mandate and a new religion----one that would encompass non-Jews---because there were few Jews left----the new religion was called Christianity for a man that was named Jesus
However Jesus was not an ET nor was he the Jesus in the scripture----the scripture is 100% allegory

3. You said we would never be able to leave our galaxy, or solar system (I forgot which one you said). Is it because we will never be able to get that technologically advanced or because the aliens just won't allow us? If because the aliens won't allow us, why?

Humans will not leave the solar system

We need ET technology to get out and they are not giving it-----nevertheless it will take the next thousand years to explore this solar system-----and the next few thousands of years to build cities on many of the moons in this solar system

Why do we have large cities and small towns-----why not build up all the small towns and make them large cities?----because some people like small towns and some like large cities-----each presents different challenges and opportunities

4. Is there an afterlife for us (and if so, explain a little)?

Thanks for your time.

Life never ends unless you opt out or are thrown out----most souls remain in the universe for a long time----even forever

I basically avoided this thread for obvious reasons.

But sleeper when you said this ...

The NT was created after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and a faction of the few remaining Jews known as the Essenes who escaped banded together and were give a new mandate and a new religion----one that would encompass non-Jews---because there were few Jews left----the new religion was called Christianity for a man that was named Jesus
However Jesus was not an ET nor was he the Jesus in the scripture----the scripture is 100% allegory

You are just making this stuff up. Tons of research was done on another thread that I was involved in and there is good evidence that Christianity was rooted in Jerusalem before the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 ad. In fact some Christians were being persecuted and killed several years before 70 ad.

Flavius Josephus even mentions Jesus in his work The Jewish War.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by lost_shaman]

Give me a break . you have to be more smarter than that .
Are you arguing for Sleepers sake or for the sake of Arguing ?? .

Quote --- it is as credible as the source in the same way that you may have read a book but with out experiencing or seeing the same things as the book writing you cannot presume they are true unless you rate the credibility of the writer. The credibility is soully down to the individuals belief in the credibility.

** that is a very basic way of looking it , And i agree its up to the Individual on whether or not he/she beleives .
But then you say if anyone offers a different opion , then its an attack ?.

You say to have a intelligent Conversation and crit the people for doing , But you havent said anything to Sleeper for doing it . maybe its Hypicritcal in this case ?? .
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it is as much evidence as having been to the moon or even being aware that some animals exist without coming into conact with such animals. If you choose to beleive that we went to the moon based on ifnormation provided to you then fine. If you chose during your education at school that there were 9 planets in our solar system (which has now been proved to be incorrect - via evidence from individuals) then fine. You choice is to either beleive or not. If you don;t beleive then fine. surely that is the end of you comments regarding Sleepers post?

**** what ?. what in hell is this nonsense ?.

Went to the Moon - can be proven .

9 planets --- Uh yeah , and then we discovered another one -- so whats the point ?.
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I have been a viewer of this thread but not a substancial contributor... it was quite obvious that attacks had been made toward Sleeper. This is not my thread and I also have my opnion about the threads credibility, that does not give me the right to witchhunt the individual.

*** Witchhunt ? . i alrdy gave my views on that topic .

But also Sleeper posting in a public forum , should be rdy for some ridicul and tough questions .
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please tell me that you were joking? how could you comprehend that his credibility and gibberish are the same thing? Credibility is based upon integrity of claims made whereas Gibberish is a generic term for talking that sounds like speech but has no actual meaning.

** now your playing word games yourself .
First of all his claims have no integrity , because he has no proof and no way of backing them up . and as for gibberish ,, exactly -- Duh - he can spout off statements all day that mean absoloutly nothing at all and yes most people would consider that gibberish .. there is no integrity in saying something to complete strangers that cant be proven .Hence his strory lacks integrity and meaning besides the fact he is looking for attention.

thank you for your Coperation --




[edit on 13-2-2006 by Briggs]

So Klepto is this what you are refering to

Originally posted by sleeper
Speaking of your nose what the hell is that coming out of it----snot? It’s disgusting to look at

People like you don’t have the ability to start your own thread so you hijack those that have many hits leaching attention off of them, why don’t you start a Vietnam sob story veteran thread and give details of all your hard luck life----the ones that left you a bitter and broken man-----you might get lucky and find yourself some sympathizers

Personally I’m embarrassed that a military veteran such as yourself is such a whiner

And go blow your nose or something for god’s sake

someone who would slink so low as to impugn my military service to distract from the real issue. I merely asked for proof of the existence of ETs.
That is the title of the thread afterall.
Sleeper says they're real. I say prove it. Because I want verifiable evidence I'm whining? It's called the scientific method.