Can America have a fair election in the future for the good of the American People

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SourGrapes

We don't have time to wait for that list

Define one thing on that imaginary list.

a reply to: quintessentone

Still waiting on an actual answer to the question you were asked. Or you could simply acknowledge what we all already know, that you don't have an answer.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Still waiting on an actual answer to the question you were asked. Or you could simply acknowledge what we all already know, that you don't have an answer.

You don't like the answer/truth of the matter, so speaking of false beliefs, define one false belief I have of Trump.

a reply to: quintessentone

You seem to have a pretty high opinion of your "knowledge" on trans people and gender, just for one thing

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You seem to have a pretty high opinion of your "knowledge" on trans people and gender, just for one thing

What does that have to do with Trump?

a reply to: quintessentone

Give me the answer and we will see how it shakes out.

You honestly believe that, after the last 2 years, Biden is still a better president than Trump

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Give me the answer and we will see how it shakes out.

You honestly believe that, after the last 2 years, Biden is still a better president than Trump

Where did I say that?

a reply to: quintessentone

If you would have read the comment it was a "list of all the things you think you're right about" It's okay, I know reading is hard

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

If you would have read the comment it was a "list of all the things you think you're right about" It's okay, I know reading is hard

Post the source and then we can go forward from here.

a reply to: quintessentone

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

When has their actually been a truly fair election?

Within the last 60 years, I am sure there has always been some sort of medaling and/or fraud when it comes to any presidential election. Which, is what I am assuming the Op is referring to, not just a generic election

This explains best the idea (false beliefs, keeping false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary) I am trying to relay:

How do people update beliefs in light of new information, and why do false beliefs often persist despite countervailing evidence? An epistemically rational agent makes evidence-based inferences guided by the pursuit of accuracy1. However, belief updating can exhibit desirability effects, such that, given evidence, beliefs are more often updated towards a desired state. For example, people update their beliefs about an expected election winner less following polls that show a projected loss (versus win) for their preferred candidate, discounting undesired outcomes2. In politics, desirability effects can take the form of partisan asymmetries, with members of opposing groups interpreting evidence in a way that favours their party. Such effects can lead to belief polarization, with partisan groups increasingly diverging in their beliefs3,4,5, even if they are exposed to similar evidence6,7,8. Beyond politics, this dynamic extends to many of the most important issues of our time, from vaccine uptake to climate change9,10,11,12,13.

According to current theories, these desirability effects are the result of irrational, biased reasoning (‘directional motivated reasoning’14,15): beliefs are selectively updated to support desired conclusions. Often the conclusions are those that help maintain positive emotions, self-esteem and social identities4,16. Put simply, people ‘believe what they want to believe’. If this is the case, the role of evidence in combatting false beliefs is unclear.

www.nature.com...

Oh, like all of your false beliefs about Trump?

What are my false beliefs about Trump?

All of them!!

Let's start with what you think you're right about?

Here you go bud

originally posted by: vance
We've had fair elections since george washington set em up. It's just not everybody likes the outcome.
Just Like a child not getting its way. I voted for trump twice, He lost once whether he admits it or not. I won't waste my vote on him this time

Truth right here. When someone's chosen candidate wins then the belief becomes fulfilled, that the election was fair and just. It's exactly child-like behaviour - unrealized child-like behaviour.

a reply to: quintessentone

So then when all the Dems were complaining in 2016 when Hillary lost and that she was cheated out of the election, they were acting like children? And they saw nothing wrong with that.

But in 2020, when Trump lost and all the Reps were doing the same thing they needed to just get over it and admit they lost.....sounds about right

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vance
We've had fair elections since george washington set em up. It's just not everybody likes the outcome.
Just Like a child not getting its way. I voted for trump twice, He lost once whether he admits it or not. I won't waste my vote on him this time

Truth right here. When someone's chosen candidate wins then the belief becomes fulfilled, that the election was fair and just. It's exactly child-like behaviour - unrealized child-like behaviour.

It doesn't matter any longer.

The bad guys have won, the Republic is dying.

Trump can't save us, hell, the left will have him killed before he sees the Oval Office again.

Republicans can't get a spine to stand up against the left.

Hell, puddin', celebrate.

Your team will have a glorious 1000 year Reich rule.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

What was that trick the Romans used to do? Ride into town, find a few rowdy bucks and crucify them .... the rest fell into shape.

The United States will never again have a free and fair election. Everything is corrupted including the processes of the government.

a reply to: musicismagic

Can America have a fair election in the future for the good of the American People

LOL

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vance
We've had fair elections since george washington set em up. It's just not everybody likes the outcome.
Just Like a child not getting its way. I voted for trump twice, He lost once whether he admits it or not. I won't waste my vote on him this time

Truth right here. When someone's chosen candidate wins then the belief becomes fulfilled, that the election was fair and just. It's exactly child-like behaviour - unrealized child-like behaviour.

It doesn't matter any longer.

The bad guys have won, the Republic is dying.

Trump can't save us, hell, the left will have him killed before he sees the Oval Office again.

Republicans can't get a spine to stand up against the left.

Hell, puddin', celebrate.

Your team will have a glorious 1000 year Reich rule.

My team are middle of the road rational government.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

So then when all the Dems were complaining in 2016 when Hillary lost and that she was cheated out of the election, they were acting like children? And they saw nothing wrong with that.

But in 2020, when Trump lost and all the Reps were doing the same thing they needed to just get over it and admit they lost.....sounds about right

You've missed the point there, both sides belief systems are dependent on whether or not their candidate wins.

a reply to: quintessentone

And you're still dodging the question asked to you a long time ago.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vance
We've had fair elections since george washington set em up. It's just not everybody likes the outcome.
Just Like a child not getting its way. I voted for trump twice, He lost once whether he admits it or not. I won't waste my vote on him this time

Truth right here. When someone's chosen candidate wins then the belief becomes fulfilled, that the election was fair and just. It's exactly child-like behaviour - unrealized child-like behaviour.

It doesn't matter any longer.

The bad guys have won, the Republic is dying.

Trump can't save us, hell, the left will have him killed before he sees the Oval Office again.

Republicans can't get a spine to stand up against the left.

Hell, puddin', celebrate.

Your team will have a glorious 1000 year Reich rule.

My team are middle of the road rational government.

Yet you support censorship.

It's been established.

So no, not so much "middle of the road".