There should be no age limit on owning an AR-15

originally posted by: halfoldman
Actually, something many people get wrong.
Loosely based on Rousseau's "three estates".

The first World is the Capitalist West, the second World were all the socialist countries, and the Third Word were not yet aligned.

www.nationsonline.org...

That’s interesting. I was always led to believe that 3rd world meant po-ass illiterate wildly gyrating people. With highly effective banana republic frameworks.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: stevieray

Then you understand the ludicrisness of the post direction. To "own" any age, parents control-sure. Cool. We here are a state of hunters. Really young ones. Fisher kids too!

But the current mass murder case I cited by the kid using "my new gun" his parents bought him. Thats all...

I guess the point could be expanded to say “a gun never killed somebody, but stupid / negligent / incompetent parents-guardians have, in many different ways”.
There have been several layers of fault and blame besides the gun, for every mass shooting that ever occurred.
But you can’t gain permanent state power by confiscating mentally retarded parents or medical professionals.

originally posted by: datguy

This is where I offer reason to the insanity in/of this thread.
At which point does a "child" become an "adult"?

depends I suppose. 18 to volunteer to die for your country, 21 to have a beer, 17 to see an R rated movie. We as society came up with these rules. I suppose for a reason. 18 to vote.

What do you think? did society get it wrong, and you have it right? If so, what is the age you feel is appropriate for each of these things?

a reply to: network dude

It was an honest inquiry, not solely directed to you.
I just feel that the time I put into these conversations is wasted arguing semantics with no real attempt at resolution.

Being a staunch supporter on either side of gun rights or sexually exploiting children doesn't help any one or resolve the issues at hand. I hope we can ALL agree that this shouldn't be allowed to go on for another 20 years with no resolution.

The voting thing I could argue as "taxation without representation"
Most 18yo's don't volunteer as a sacrifice, they want to go to college, with few exceptions.
Substance abuse is serious issue and probably plays an important role in the family life as well social life of minors
Age restrictions on movies are meaningless when the minors can watch on their phones or computers from home

When it comes to the health issues for minors in regards to the trans conversation, the KNOWN underlying causes for "gender dysphoria" are completely ignored for a pharmaceutical agenda of pill pushing for profit. Hormone blockers do NOT treat the conditions that cause "precocious puberty"
If you read about it you quickly learn that this term "gender dysphoria" is a bull # term. I dont know who came up with it but its worse than "whataboutism"
It ignores the FACT that everyone goes through puberty and has raging hormones which most adults recognize as "normal"
The fact that "precocious puberty" is occurring in younger and younger children is what is causing them to have a change in hormone levels, but there is nothing dysphoric about it, its still just puberty. does that cause anxiety, maybe for some but why aren't we treating the anxiety? Why are hormone blockers now used to cure a "generalized dissatisfaction with life"

a reply to: datguy

the reply wasn't meant to be adversarial, you made some statements, I responded.

This thread is about the age that is appropriate for children to make life altering decisions.

I am aware kids brains don't fully mature until their early 20's, but if an 18 year old is willing to take an oath to his country and be willing to die for it, he should be afforded all the rights of an adult. That's my opinion.

And like you, I don't think kids can make decisions about their gender until they fully understand all the things involved in a choice to pretend to change it. And it's important they know, that you cannot change genders. ever.

a reply to: network dude

I think we both well enough that if you tell a kid they cant, they will try anyways.
unfortunately, because of the medical and social implications, these choices are emerging in younger and younger children.
I have known some very bright kids who i think can and do (sometimes are forced) to make life altering decisions. BUT

They are educated, and able to reason pros and cons and understand the truth of what they are doing.
I have friends who are still military today, that knew they wanted to serve when they were in elementary school. They made that choice and they shaped their lives around it when they were very young.

I have no doubt that SOME of the kids today are for sure feeling a certain way about their sexuality, though i think for most its just youthful rebellion against their parents or society as a whole, its a fad. If any of them were educated enough to know about natural biology, and understand they they are still growing, and changing until well into their 20's, then they would be better suited to make such decisions for themselves and not have to rely on a bat# sjw shrink or a pill pushing doctor who only wants the insurance money and the bonus they get for promoting pharma products.

My point is, there is NO right age to be applied to all. The problem isn't about whether they are old enough.
The problem is that the option is even there to begin with. That is not the kids fault, and to de"bait" people about some useless age restriction only fuels the ignorance.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: tanstaafl

Also guns kill people....

No... they don't. People kill people. Some people use guns to kill people. Some people use hammers... or machetes... or rocks.

being gay does not.

Gay people are people. Some people kill other people.

Clearly you are ok with this type of whataboutism.

I am, because it is valid. Supporting the mutilation of young children is almost as bad as murdering them... possibly even worse, in the long run.

And from what you said it seems like you would be OK with a 4yo handling any firearm?

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the point of the OP.

With that type of think I don't believe I want you to have kids or a gun.

Well, since you are completely missing the point, and mischaracterizing what I am thinking, I guess one can safely say that your commentary is irrelevant and meaningless.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: tanstaafl

That is kinda a dumb question IMHO.

Really? Do tell...

I'm not concerned about kids shooting people with the gay.

What does gay have to do with anything in the OP? Or with what I said?

You are clearly not comprehending anything whatsoever.

originally posted by: SigmaXSquared
a reply to: tanstaafl
Dismissing the reality some parents fully expect their kids to be trained with weapons by 10 years old, not most but many

If they are properly trained, I see no issue with them being able to use guns while supervised by a trained adult.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: network dude

They can take the mud pit out of the forum, but they can’t take the mud pit out of the member.

This thread is blatant low ball political trolling… just sayin.

While I admit the premise was to elicit a response, I was interested in hearing how the dichotomy is explained with regard to what children can and cannot be trusted with.

Oh, so an intentional trolling thread by yourself. Given what you and others post elsewhere at ATS, you really can't blame people for taking you seriously and at your word for what you write. But good to know. Although you did have a useful post in which you sourced the Substack article by Taibbi et al about the evident Covid lab leak.

You do realize that irony, sarcasm, metaphor, etc …. Have been literary methods for thousands of years ?
Lol, no, you probably don’t realize any of this.
All you know is when someone makes a point that you don’t agree with ….. it’s dumb ! It’s trolling !
Ahhh, keeping life simple(ton).

originally posted by: network dude
As soon as you are old enough to reach the trigger, you should be able to own one. There are many of them out there, and they don't do bad things on their own. Kids have good judgement and logical thinking minds, really no different than an adult. Knowing that, putting restrictions on kids for a right just seems wrong.

By the time they reach 18, they have lost so much time they could have been training with that weapon system, and becoming proficient. it's just not fair to the children.

If you study child psychology the average human doesn't start to think abstractly until the age of 12 and doesn't master abstract thought until the age of 25. Because of this limitation you see in society all the dumb stunts you see on youtube the vast majority are those under the age of 25 and its the reasons why most crime is committed by those under the age of 25, the inability to think abstractly. The vast majority of decisions between the age of 2 and 25 is based on emotion. A young person choices are mainly driven by emotion, not by logic, reasoning or sensibility. Don't get me wrong there are expectations to the rule, however most children don't master abstract thought until their early 20's.

The Youth Hunting License in Illinois doesn't have an Age Limit. Just has to be accompanied by an Adult with a valid Hunting License.

It's delusional that when there's a shooting by one assailant, some people think more than 70 million gun owners did it.

originally posted by: CryHavoc
The Youth Hunting License in Illinois doesn't have an Age Limit. Just has to be accompanied by an Adult with a valid Hunting License.

It's delusional that when there's a shooting by one assailant, some people think more than 70 million gun owners did it.

No, they don’t.
Do you feel guilt or something?

I think all gun owners, especially the ones that worship them, and make them part of their personality, should own as many as possible. Provided they were the ones that existed when the amendment was ratified.

Or on the other hand in the spirit of this thread, ar-15s make as great baby shower gift.

I’m torn. But I do hear ar-15s make great for great hunting. Lol

originally posted by: spacedoubt


I’m torn. But I do hear ar-15s make great for great hunting. Lol

which caliber is your favorite for hunting, and what do you hunt? I enjoy the 6.5 Grendel for deer, great for long shots. 300 blackout is great for sub 300 yard shots.

I honestly whish those who think they oppose the AR-15 would at the very least learn a little bit about it so they don't make such silly comments. I try not to opine about Nuclear fission.

originally posted by: CryHavoc
The Youth Hunting License in Illinois doesn't have an Age Limit. Just has to be accompanied by an Adult with a valid Hunting License.

It's delusional that when there's a shooting by one assailant, some people think more than 70 million gun owners did it.

when the rational is the "gun did it", then it becomes easy to blame all guns. (let's face it, they all look alike and probably all think alike)

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: CryHavoc
The Youth Hunting License in Illinois doesn't have an Age Limit. Just has to be accompanied by an Adult with a valid Hunting License.

It's delusional that when there's a shooting by one assailant, some people think more than 70 million gun owners did it.

let's face it, they all look alike and probably all think alike)

We still talking about the guns here, or someone else?

I am against any kind of registration and limits or licenses. If you can afford a gun, you should be able to get one out of a vending machine on the street. Who would rob anyone if everyone was packing? I blame the NRA and Liberals for the mess we are in here.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Still guns. Just equivocating again.

originally posted by: spacedoubt

originally posted by: CryHavoc
The Youth Hunting License in Illinois doesn't have an Age Limit. Just has to be accompanied by an Adult with a valid Hunting License.

It's delusional that when there's a shooting by one assailant, some people think more than 70 million gun owners did it.

No, they don’t.
Do you feel guilt or something?

I think all gun owners, especially the ones that worship them, and make them part of their personality, should own as many as possible. Provided they were the ones that existed when the amendment was ratified.

Or on the other hand in the spirit of this thread, ar-15s make as great baby shower gift.

I’m torn. But I do hear ar-15s make great for great hunting. Lol

Hah, every leftist trope, buzzword, and catchphrase possible, in one tiny post.

You feel guilty.
Worship guns.
Weird legal gibberish.
Guns for babies.
The only one missing is “you’re not tho thure about your thexuality, are you thithter !”

Yet Another “can’t be embarrassed” post.

Hey, you can’t lose the debate when you crap thine pants, exhibit zero logic, scream like a baby, and screech that it’s a “genocide” whenever somebody disagrees with you. You win ! Maybe based on the disgust and cringe factor for you …. But you appear to win !