Trump arrested

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

Personally I don’t see the difference between someone physically holding documents and refusing to turn them over when asked; and someone who intentionally creates a network where the government doesn’t have access, and wiping it so no one ever will.

The two mindsets are the same, above the law and any kind of protocol for someone operating in the capacity of public office. Our law is one guided by intent. I don’t see how the intent differs.

Well except one had official authority within the framework of the President and the other had zero authority as sec state. Same for Biden with classified in his garage, zero authority that only the President has. The other part is the National Archives were fully aware of Trump's while Hillary's and Biden's were both 100% secret outside of ALL official channels. We need to take all this into account.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That’s fair, assuming he did declassify them while he was president.

There’s other charges aside from that though, and I’m both skeptical and open minded once we see the evidence.

Since it is Trump, I definitely believe he may be targeted. But though that may be a suspicion, it doesn’t mean I’ll deem him innocent before I even see the case.

Political Justice gets dicey since people have such strong opinions about parties.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I'm pretty sure he did exactly what's being charged. And likely exactly the way it's described. The problem is, nobody was hurt, nothing was lost, no damage was done. So to the average person, this is a victimless crime. Something the left is all about stopping. Except here.

I sincerely doubt he can skate on every charge here. But even though folks say how stupid he is, and how bad he is at everything, I think he must have had some kind of plan and reason for doing this. And the DOJ stepped on their peckers when they got specific with some of the documents. That leaves the rest of them open for discussion I would think. And apparently the crossfire Hurricane documents are something he really wants folks to see. Maybe this is how he gets that done. But that is just hopium on my part, reality says he's going to get his pepe smacked. How hard remains to seen. And if he get the nod and wins, he just pardons himself and *poof* it all goes away.

The one thing that did come out of this, is the rules of combat in an election have changed, and he who rules the DOJ, has incredible power. Those who think this won't be used against the left in the future, are very confused.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Mahogany

Personally I don’t see the difference between someone physically holding documents and refusing to turn them over when asked; and someone who intentionally creates a network where the government doesn’t have access, and wiping it so no one ever will.

The two mindsets are the same, above the law and any kind of protocol for someone operating in the capacity of public office. Our law is one guided around intent. I don’t see how the intent differs.

Except one of those things is true and the other one has never been proven. Trump ordered Sessions to charge Clinton and Sessions wouldn't without evidence. Trump tried to get her indicted, it was his campaign promise. And he wanted it fulfilled.

Once you see that, it's really easy to understand the rest of it.

Actually, if you read the Trump indictment there is a really interesting conversation excerpt about deleted emails. Do you know what I'm referring to?

Who here has read the indictment?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: pianopraze
They actually arrested trump.

CNN

Any guess on if it will be 10 or 20 point bump in the polls?

I mean in this crazy political world, could Trump still be a candidate for President even if he is convicted and in prison? I don't know, just asking because....crazy. If so, then could he pardon himself?

Crazier than using the full weight of the executive, legislative and media against one single person?

Very true. I'm no trump supporter but the one thing I do love about trump is that ALL the RIGHT people appear to hate him and want him out of power.

However the dummy did it to himself, nobody crucified and back stabbed him as bad as his own swamp filled administration. Also looks like he still hasn't learned from his mistakes as he continues to back swamp creatures.

you can't make ANY deals with a swamp creature that the swamp has the goods on which knows all their little secrets or that wouldn't hesitate for second to epstein them for just a "in case" reason.

a reply to: network dude

There is some serious problems in this case process wise.

Lets suspend disbelief for a second and go with what you say, that being the charges all true and Trump is guilty of all of it.

It proves that a POTUS does NOT have plenary authority.

It proves that attorney client privilege can be suspended IF they find evidence of the current exeption that I cant remember the name of.

It proves that search warrants are much larger than what are legal.

Finally it means that no normal American has a chance in the current judicial regime.

a reply to: interupt42

Indeed.

All the right people despise him and he relied on horrible people.

Cant argue with that at all.

a reply to: network dude


Tit for Tat . Joe Biden Now Needs to be Citizen Arrested . The Constitution Provides WE THE PEOPLE that Option and Congress , the Senate , the SCOTUS , The President , The United States Military , and The Lawyers be Damned . The People Under Our Laws Always Had a License to Kill Legally when it Comes to TREASON Against the United States of America . How Many Americans Know that > ?



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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

I wouldn’t even really mind if they decided to hold the laws with consistency.

What I’m about to say is going to piss some people off.

I don’t think Trump is necessarily innocent. That said, I don’t think he’s done anything that is unique of someone that high up in office. Obviously that’s problematic, and indicative of wider spread corruption in that circuit.

The problem of partisanship is people only want their opponents held to account.

Bush and Cheney used GOP servers during their tenure and wiped it clean afterwards to circumvent FOIA.

Powell directed Hillary on how to create a private email server with direct intent to circumvent transparency as a “public servant”. (She also had many more scandals)

Obamas admin weaponized the espionage act and lifted restrictions for domestic propaganda which started a snowball effect much of which we see today. He also became fantastically rich while having less of a reputation before public office. That in and of itself should be looked into.

Jared and Ivanka used private emails while operating under the capacity of the white house, and Jared got a multibillion dollar fund to manage for the Saudis.

Hunter clearly used his dads position to make money, and it appears some of it even made it back to his dad.

Both Biden and Trump have been caught mishandling classified documents, and there are suspicions around both for doing that to enrich their own lives.

The only difference is Trump played hard to get when they requested it.

All of the recent ones have been shady. If they are going to go after one, they need to go after all.

And it better be clear as day what the expectations are going forward. No monetary self enrichment from your access to power. No nepotism. Run a clean and a tight ship. Hold the office in a way that shows integrity to the desk and the country it represents.

Quoted because it needs to be said over and over...

a reply to: JinMI

the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. I'm pretty sure he did what is charged, at least in some cases. they have video and audio, it's some good evidence.

But as you said, there are discussions to be had over what his power was, and is. It will be interesting to see the court case, and really irritating to watch all the bloviating that will go on from "people close to the source" until that time.

I really hope he has a plan. I'd be pretty disappointed if he didn't. In fact, I'd say judgement like that on something so insignificant being so wrong, makes me question the ability on other things. But if he's going to pull the old switcharoo, color me smiling.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: network dude


Tit for Tat . Joe Biden Now Needs to be Citizen Arrested . The Constitution Provides WE THE PEOPLE that Option and Lawyers be Damned..........

Can you imagine being the guy at the DOJ who's going to get the weekly briefing job explaining why this current/weekly indictment for Trump is totally different than other things that look and sound remarkably similar. It's why Trump keeps getting arrested and nobody else does. For anything. Like election interference.

a reply to: network dude

If hes guilty, it opens up a whole new set of precedents.

Will anyone have the testicular fortitide to bring the cases?

If hes innocent, not much changes as its been well established that the swamp does not face accountability or culpability.

And the ultimate black pill is that regardless of outcome, we pay for it all.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Run a clean and a tight ship. Hold the office in a way that shows integrity to the desk and the country it represents.

Why is it that your words sound so right, so normal, so appropriate, yet we have an entire government full of many who would never even grasp that, let alone aspire to it. And those that would get pushed aside.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: network dude

If hes guilty, it opens up a whole new set of precedents.

Will anyone have the testicular fortitide to bring the cases?

If hes innocent, not much changes as its been well established that the swamp does not face accountability or culpability.

And the ultimate black pill is that regardless of outcome, we pay for it all.

OH absolutely. And there has already been a good bit of that already. We are running out of rubicons.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

That’s fair, assuming he did declassify them while he was president.

There’s other charges aside from that though, and I’m both skeptical and open minded once we see the evidence.

Since it is Trump, I definitely believe he may be targeted. But though that may be a suspicion, it doesn’t mean I’ll deem him innocent before I even see the case.

Political Justice gets dicey since people have such strong opinions about parties.

It is said that a President can even verbally declassify as they are actually outside of the process, so I would think just being President totally removes the "did he, or did he not declassify" seems like a strange question when talking about the President.

Saying that, I think Trump was playing the ass with the National Archives in slow-rolling everything due to him feeling he was cheated. It does seem weird that the extra locks were added by a request from the National Archives until everything was accomplished and then it all kind of blew up as per your idea maybe it was all politically motivated.

Dems, when we drag your screaming reps to the street to reveal all they have done will you be as eager to see them condemned? Or are you just a one sided progressive, woke pile of donkey crap that we’ve known You to be? The country is weaker because of your actions. Live with what you have created. Enjoy the Fall.

Gaslighting isn’t working in your favor anymore.

KJP is and idiot.
Biden is not even in it and is a traitor.
Kamala is incapable of running the country
Pelosi - guilty of insider trading and a traitor

Look at your representatives and tell us just how good and effective they are. Do it with conviction and confidence.

Laughable. Idiotic Worthless.

a reply to: Xtrozero

They didn't just tell him "put a lock on and it's all good" They told him to add an additional lock until they hear back further from the government. We know this and that one of Trump's own people ratted him out that he was moving documents which is why once the subpoena was completed, the 2nd for the security footage was served from the original court filings.

I mean maybe it was a set up in that they knew he had moved stuff to Bedminster and gave him the opportunity to turn it over with the subpoena. When they received just a few docs that day and the false signed attestation, they knew he was purposely obstructing them.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Xtrozero

They didn't just tell him "put a lock on and it's all good" They told him to add an additional lock until they hear back further from the government. We know this and that one of Trump's own people ratted him out that he was moving documents which is why once the subpoena was completed, the 2nd for the security footage was served from the original court filings.

I mean maybe it was a set up in that they knew he had moved stuff to Bedminster and gave him the opportunity to turn it over with the subpoena. When they received just a few docs that day and the false signed attestation, they knew he was purposely obstructing them.

One of Trump's own people probably did not want to go to prison for Trump, a reasonable decision considering the loyalty swings in only one direction.

originally posted by: pianopraze
a reply to: network dude

The people he did hire were too busy stabbing him in the back. 30 Pense, Barr, etc…

For such a supposedly good boss hiring and firing people, hell he even had a tv show about it, he was real crap hiring anybody worth a damn when he was President.

His press secretary is about only one who seemed to do a good job. It was funny watching her ream CNN et all daily.

As independent I’m voting Kennedy in primary and Kennedy or a Trump in final. I’m registered D for now to vote for
Kennedy.

Much of the president's cabinet needs congressional approval, and we all saw first hand how the conservative majority fought him tooth and nail while they had control.

I'd rather not see Trump run for POTUS, but I can't honestly say any of the career politicians we're presented with so far are a better option.

I absolutely loath the idea of splitting the vote (basically throwing it away) with a third party, but I'm not willing to vote for more of the same this time. I may be forced to roll the dice on the greatest threat our corrupt political system has ever faced.

a reply to: quintessentone

No doubt. It's weird according to Trump world, absolutely everyone, except crazy Rudy, and a bunch of senators who asked him for pardons are all some deep state, nefarious people, even though Trump lauded them to begin with. The fact is they eventually see how he truly is and then he turns, even against little cross wearing Kayleigh McEneny and all she did was report poll numbers on the news that sent him into a rage. And none of them want to end up in jail for him, because he would only ever save his own a**. I mean the man asked his lawyers to destroy documents to keep them from the government that he wants to lead. Seriously, what?