Attorney Robert Barnes Explains Why the Trump Indictment is Complete BS

originally posted by: frogs453
Well, he's certainly entitled to his opinion. The charges actually don't rely on classification, but national security. Doesn't the atomic energy act include information on our nuclear capabilities anyway? That does not allow the President to declassify that info unilaterally. Apparently Trump himself on audio states he knew he could not declassify the Iranian military plans out of office. His attorney's never once claimed he declassified documents in any of their court filings. They claimed they were Personal Records. The PRA constitutes those as:

diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.”    

Not sure how our and other countries nuclear capabilities and military vulnerability fall into that category.

He also no longer has Executive Privilege as a former President. His lawyer who quit just last week stated this is very bad for him. Apparently he's also having difficulty finding any lawyer to add to the team to defend him. Weird right? I mean if this is such a slam dunk case to win, you would think they would be clamoring to be on the case to have such a huge easy win.
And you have Trump's own AG, whom he bragged about when he hired saying if they can prove this case, Trump is "toast".

But I'm sure random man in the OP knows best. We will see.

Yes it does. The president can declassify anything - the courts already ruled that when Clinton took classifed material out of the white house he declassified it just by taking it.

If you want to actually show Trump did something like sell classified info to foreign governments then there might be a case. But just to try and lock him up for 100 years for it sitting in a locked room of his secret service guarded mansion is quite another.

Why in the hell do you think Hillary was cleared from being indicted for deleting 30,000 emails and having the devices where the emails were stored destroyed in order to not interfere with an election - and she had no declassification ability so that is inarguably worse because there is no justification imaginable why she should have such documents - but with Trump they want to put him under the prison.

Only a fool can't see they are being treated drastically differently.

a reply to: proximo

They know.

They dont care.

If it gets Trump, its acceptable.

All while possibly not knowing how this turns out historically and without irony

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Quadrivium

May I ask? If this is some huge nefarious plot to "get Trump", are you saying that everyone is in on it? Because if you read the indictment the evidence is coming from all of his own people. His lawyers, his employees, his aides. Unless I mean you're talking hundreds if not 1000s of people, from judges across the country, the DOJ, the FBI, accountants, a ton of other people I can't even guess at. This is what you mean? I mean instead of the guy who's already publicly claimed he could do what he wanted with government documents even though he was no longer President and that "he didn't really show" many people and he "can't remember".

This is why many think there is a cult of Trump. You would rather believe it's dang near a world conspiracy rather than face the fact that he is not really a good guy.

Most of us cannot comprehend that. I mean indict Biden? Big deal. If there is proof of a crime, convict him. I mean geez if his own lawyers had to testify because of the crime fraud exception, I would think he gets what he deserves. Certainly wouldn't think it's a conspiracy of thousands.

What have they got him on. They spent 50 million and investigated for 2 years with a team of Trump hating FBI agents, they tried to impeach him twice and failed. They threatened with prison nearly every person that worked for him and actually put several in jail to try and get them to turn on Trump - but there was nothing for them to give up.

If he is such a horrible very bad guy, how come they can't seem to actually GET him on anything?

You think Trump supporters are the ones in denial - LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

a reply to: proximo

Only a fool can't see they are being treated drastically differently.

You only have Trump to blame. He could have gone after Hillary like he promised during the campaign., But he didn't. Why didn't he?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: proximo

Only a fool can't see they are being treated drastically differently.

You only have Trump to blame. He could have gone after Hillary like he promised during the campaign., But he didn't. Why didn't he?

Because unlike you a*hole leftists he actually believed unity might be possible and that you get something from forgiveness of you enemy's.

Don't worry - you have taught him the lesson well, when he get's reelected he's not going to show mercy this time around.

Please, over 30 investigations into Hillary and over 11 hours of questioning.

And again and again. Declassification doesn't even matter in this case as it's about a conspiracy to obstruct and the espionage act.

And you're comparing Clinton taking recordings he made with a historian to nuclear weapon, military vulnerability of the U.S. and military and nuclear info of other countries, while casually showing random aides Iranian military info.

a reply to: proximo

Because unlike you a*hole leftists he actually believed unity might be possible and that you get something from forgiveness of you enemy's.

That might have worked if he'd announced it while granting her a PARDON!

But just between you and I, they most likely didn't have anything on Hillary except some ambassadors' food allergies lists and the hotel and itineraries of the foreign dignitary guests invited to Chelsea's wedding.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Her team literally destroyed subpoenaed evidence.

Classified info hacked by the CCP.

Tons of immunity deals.


But dont let those facts stop you

originally posted by: malte85
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

it smells a bit like desperation here. is this mister burns really unbiased? what does he know better than his colleagues? wasnt he one of alex jones' lawyers?

Attorney Robert Barnes Knows More about Constitutional and Criminal Law than you do about an Alleged Accusation you just Happened to Hear on a MSM News Feed . Shoot the Messenger Now are We ? ..........

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Her team literally destroyed subpoenaed evidence.

Classified info hacked by the CCP.

Tons of immunity deals.


But dont let those facts stop you

Whatever you say.

But why then, didn't Trump go after her like he promised he would, during his 2016 campaign? He promised to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up.

So, now his threats to go after Biden seem rather hollow and deja-vu-ish.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And how does his knowledge compare to former USAG Bill Barr and current special counsel Jack Smith?

a reply to: carewemust

Interesting.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Thank you for being a two tiered justice proponent.


Im sure itll end well.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And how does his knowledge compare to former USAG Bill Barr and current special counsel Jack Smith?

Miles Above Both of those Deep State Lackey Mouthpieces . The Fact that you even Mention those Two Tells me you Know Absolutely Nothing about the Law..........

a reply to: quintessentone

Bill Clinton kept them in his sock drawer, saying he made declassified them and re-classifdied them as his personal documents.

www.washingtontimes.com...

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And yet both have achieved far more in the legal profession than Barnes

a reply to: gortex

Bill Burr is corrupt. He was from the start. I have no idea why Trump trusted him. Did you hear out the full video? I don't think you did. As I just posted above this, it's no different than what Bill Clinton did. Clinton won, thus the precedent was set that it's acceptable.

a reply to: KnightSeeker

It's hard to know of much of TDS is a mental problem in the individual or just an automatic trigger by the corporate media. I live in Canada, and hardly anyone here knew much about Trump at all before he ran. Suddenly, the media screamed ORANGE MAN BAD! And tons of people suddenly, inexplicably had TDS in the blink of an eye. So personally, I never saw it as a Trump problem but as a problem with so many people (and otherwise intelligent people) letting the news media do their thinking for them.

That said, there is a widespread fear/hatred of Trump. In my opinion, it's caused by a deep-rooted denial of the prolific corruption which he opposes. He is as popular as he is--despite his arrogance--because he is NEEDED. I think many people seriously want to go back to sleep, or stay asleep, and Trump is like an obnoxious blowhard sounding a mighty horn in their bedroom while they cover their heads with a pillow.

a reply to: Quadrivium

I agree. Personally, I come from a Left-leaning background. Between the treatment of Trump, the leadership of Trudeau here in Canada, and the utter moral corruption of our culture, I was made very disillusioned by the current Left over the past 15-ish years. Times change, and we either change with them or become part of the problem.

Oh heck, I enjoyed watching the Apprentice. I mean he always seemed like a narcissistic jerk, but it made great TV.

Of course I was aware of him over the years various stuff about his businesses etc. As a President? Yeah, no thanks. I definitely was not a bigly fan of that. But, not a Hillary fan either.