Attorney Robert Barnes Explains Why the Trump Indictment is Complete BS

Did the department of Justice one time fabricate a lie that President Trump shared secrets inside the oval office with a foreign visitor... about 2018... when their get Trump coup was really getting cranked up?

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: frogs453

Someone shows you pics of boxes that may or may not contain 31 TS documents, and you get excited?

Boxes stacked up are as mundane in America as dirty dishes in the sink.

Can you imagine facing obstruction charges for moving boxes around in your master bedroom suite?

I'm so LMFAO at people getting there hair on fire over stacks of boxes.

Can you image the poor Russian spy that has to sneak into MAL and sort thru all those boxes of crap to get to one of the 31 TS docs? It might take him awhile!

Why didn't the FBI raid Bedminster? Did they even search, like the multiple places Bidens were searched?

Excited about boxes? Huh? No one is excited about this. It's quite sad that a former President would ask his attorneys to destroy documents and lie to the government.

You do forget that within many of those boxes were random pages of marked classified docs. No telling what box was what. You think he actually labeled boxes "classified docs"? When the 15 boxes were returned to NARA the docs were mixed in with other items. That's how the request to return classified docs started. There were two people hired last fall to search Bedminster,Trump Tower and a storage facility in Florida for more docs. They have testified before the grand jury.

Why would a spy have to search the boxes, when apparently Trump liked to show them off. He had some in his office. Lots and lots of people have been photographed in his office. He met with SA reps at Bedminster, after he moved docs there according to the text messages from Nauta evidenced in the indictment.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: nugget1

Well, the thing is, Pence too, and this would have applied to Trump, they returned all docs let the feds come and search for more. They did not delay for 16 months after the request, then accept a subpoena but ask their lawyer to destroy documents, move items even to another state to hide them from the feds, from the few he was going to return, ask his lawyer to "pluck" out the bad ones.

If he had simply returned them, we would not be having this conversation.

Oops and I forgot, lie on an attestation to the government that you returned all the requested docs.

The reason Trump didn’t jump up to kiss their butts was that he believed that presidential authority and declassification authority made their charges, demands, and investigation all specious and political.

He has a right to this opinion, and to pursue / protect it within the legal system, without it being re-defined as a “crime”.
And jumping to kiss the asses, doesn’t make the VPs Biden and Pence legal to have had the documents.

But we’re sure you know more than this lawyer, and if you say everything the FBI and this Smith guy are doing is great, of course we’ll all believe you.

a reply to: frogs453

Well, yeah, some folks are excited about stacked up boxes, even if you arent. The indictment itself contains photos of stacked boxes.

Its an emotional ploy.

Is it possible GSA missed this TS document when they packed him up? Either when they packed up records at MAL, (wondering how does that happen? ) Since it was a SCIF, is someone responsible to clear out MAL too, like GSA clears out the White House?

Do you think he knew where the TS documents were in all those boxes?

This whole thing is NUTZ.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: nugget1

Well, the thing is, Pence too, and this would have applied to Trump, they returned all docs let the feds come and search for more. They did not delay for 16 months after the request, then accept a subpoena but ask their lawyer to destroy documents, move items even to another state to hide them from the feds, from the few he was going to return, ask his lawyer to "pluck" out the bad ones.

If he had simply returned them, we would not be having this conversation.

Oops and I forgot, lie on an attestation to the government that you returned all the requested docs.

The reason Trump didn’t jump up to kiss their butts was that he believed that presidential authority and declassification authority made their charges, demands, and investigation all specious and political.

He has a right to this opinion, and to pursue / protect it within the legal system, without it being re-defined as a “crime”.
And jumping to kiss the asses, doesn’t make the VPs Biden and Pence legal to have had the documents.

But we’re sure you know more than this lawyer, and if you say everything the FBI and this Smith guy are doing is great, of course we’ll all believe you.

Ok. Let's say your right, that's what he was thinking. Per the PRA presidential records are to go to NARA the minute his term ends. You have to admit even if not classified, nuclear and military info is not personal records and therefore should be with NARA.

Not once in the 16 months did he say, "hey I don't have to return these" and provide reasoning or proof. Nor when he received a subpoena, not accept it and again claim he didn't have to return them.

Quite a difference in stating, "hey, I don't have to" instead of telling your lawyer to destroy them and "pluck" out the bad ones, and lie on the attestation, no?

I never claimed to know more than this lawyer. I have only pointed out what is stated in the indictment testified to by his lawyers, employees and the DOJ and cited any other filings, any relevant laws and asked questions.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Trump's former Attorney General disagrees.
"He was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents."

Trump Derangement Syndrome or, for short, TDS. It's sad to see loved ones consumed by TDS. All waking thoughts revolve around Donald John Trump, our 45th president. Every problem can be blamed on the former and future president and, therefore, he must consume our thoughts. Most people would just evict someone living in their brain, but this is where the derangement part comes in. President Trump lives in their brain rent free, possibly waiting to give some signal to skip going to the polls to vote. Or something sinister like that. Don't be angry at those with TDS, they're going to feel silly enough after recovery, so let's show a little compassion.

a reply to: KnightSeeker

Trump Derangement Syndrome or, for short, TDS. It's sad to see loved ones consumed by TDS. All waking thoughts revolve around Donald John Trump, our 45th president.

Your talking about his supporters , right ?
Because it seems they're the only one who mention him anymore , to everyone else he's just yesterdays man.

Don't be angry at those with TDS, they're going to feel silly enough after recovery, so let's show a little compassion.

Agreed , they'll get over it at some point.

a reply to: gortex Obviously you did not read the title of this post - which is what I was replying to. As to the "who", I'm referring to the people who live in terror of President Trump because CNN told them to be scared.

a reply to: KnightSeeker

Obviously you did not read the title of this post - which is what I was replying to.

Obviously you do not get sarcasm , those with Trump living in their heads 24/7 are those who support him the rest of the world has moved on , your post was an example of that TDS you were referring to.

I wish you well with recovery.

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It should be blatantly clear to anyone and everyone, at this point, this entire thing points to a deep state.
It points to an agenda by those in the deep state (Globalist).

Like him or hate him, you have to admit Trump has been demonized by these people for the last seven years.

If you STILL believe the lies and misinformation, it only shows how entrenched in the Tribal/Ballgame mentality you actually are.

This is coming from someone who did not vote for Trump in 2016.
However, I did vote for him in 2020 because of the way Career Politicians, their lapdog media and their useful TOOLS (people that should know better, but don't) treated him.

Anyone they would go after for so long and so hard must be doing something they don't like.

a reply to: Quadrivium

May I ask? If this is some huge nefarious plot to "get Trump", are you saying that everyone is in on it? Because if you read the indictment the evidence is coming from all of his own people. His lawyers, his employees, his aides. Unless I mean you're talking hundreds if not 1000s of people, from judges across the country, the DOJ, the FBI, accountants, a ton of other people I can't even guess at. This is what you mean? I mean instead of the guy who's already publicly claimed he could do what he wanted with government documents even though he was no longer President and that "he didn't really show" many people and he "can't remember".

This is why many think there is a cult of Trump. You would rather believe it's dang near a world conspiracy rather than face the fact that he is not really a good guy.

Most of us cannot comprehend that. I mean indict Biden? Big deal. If there is proof of a crime, convict him. I mean geez if his own lawyers had to testify because of the crime fraud exception, I would think he gets what he deserves. Certainly wouldn't think it's a conspiracy of thousands.

a reply to: frogs453

You are wrong. As it has been mentioned, under the Presidential Records Act, Trump had the last say so on the status of these documents. Until the Act is amended, overturned or it's parameters determined by the US Supreme Court, there's nothing to see here.

Notice that Obama had "classified files" turn up. He is also covered under the Act, it just isn't Trump. Now Pence, Biden and Hilary are NOT covered.

There is no requirement that Trump has to defend his actions. Technically if the records have been declassified, then Trump is free to show them to whom ever he wants to.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Trial judge Aileen Cannon agrees with you.

a reply to: JIMC5499

NARA is to retain all presidential records. You know this. Also in the PRA is a definition of Personal Records. Guess what? Our nuclear info and military vulnerabilities are not Personal Records and appear to be NATSEC info. Iranian military plans are not Personal Records. Even if declassified.

He is being charged, not for simply having them. Had he returned them sometime within 16 months, we wouldn't be having this discussion. However he is being charged because instead of returning them, he wanted his lawyers to "destroy them" another time "pluck out the bad ones" so the government did not get them. Conspired with his employee to move them, even to another state to hide them from the government and then discussed Iranian military plans that he himself said he could not declassify with some aides with no clearance. And again he has never once had his lawyers claim in a court of law that any of the documents were declassified. Seems like he could have done that sometime within the first 16 months, or maybe when he got the subpoena, or maybe after the subpoena, or maybe after the search.


You have been told this info from the indictment numerous times, I'm sure it's been suggested you read the indictment. Statements, texts, photos,audio transcripts, all from Trump's own people.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: KnightSeeker

Obviously you did not read the title of this post - which is what I was replying to.

Obviously you do not get sarcasm , those with Trump living in their heads 24/7 are those who support him the rest of the world has moved on , your post was an example of that TDS you were referring to.

I wish you well with recovery.

"those with Trump living in their heads 24/7 are those who support him the rest of the world has moved on"


Really? really?? really???

What a huge load of crock.


Seems to me that CNN is obsessed with any and all things Trump as well as the left. I have heard way more lefties talk about Trump than I have any right leaning people.

I for one can’t wait for him to be convicted. He is by far the biggest criminal to ever hold office. Serves him right.

originally posted by: hyperbam
I for one can’t wait for him to be convicted. He is by far the biggest criminal to ever hold office. Serves him right.

Clearly not a student of history.


Is that by choice?

a reply to: bounder


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