Hellfire is a Lie

a reply to: Topcraft

Are JW the ones that think only like X thousands can get to Heaven? Or is that Mormons? I always get the LDS/JW/Mormons mixed up . Yay America....

a reply to: chris_stibrany

144000.

From Pentecost until the End.

But they have over 8 million members alive today.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

The OP is a JW, he should be the one to answer, but if I remember correctly, they believe that they are the only ones that get to go. Unless you join them, you’re toast. OP can feel free to refute that if he wants, but I doubt it.

a reply to: NorthOfStuffx2

Good point, another question that most likely will not be answered. What happens to the other 7,856,000?

a reply to: randomuser


The only Hell in existence is the one we allow ourselves to go through.

Whether it be here or in Spirit.

But know this: we all go through it.

Some have it easier than others.

I wholeheartedly worry for some.

a reply to: Topcraft

One also has to wonder if the 24 elders also mentioned in Revelation add or subtract from the 144000.

It doesn’t add up and goes against the nature of the Almighty.

a reply to: NorthOfStuffx2

Now I know what happens to the rest. They come back to earth. There is a lot they spin in their version of the Bible to conform to their beliefs. Especially against the divinity of Christ. All I can say, is that any organization that won’t allow you to read any book that they don’t supply, or celebrate any holiday, drink coffee or tea, etc. etc. isn’t for me.

More power to them, they have every right to believe what they want. I’m not buying their spiel.

originally posted by: dandandat2
Are you suggesting that I can commit all kinds of moraly repugnant acts or sins and there are no consequences besides those imposed by other men?

When you live a long life afterwards and develop a conscience you will know hell on earth and wish atonement from your fellow man could absolve you of your sins.

Reading on I see DTOM expressing beliefs which mirror mine precisely so no need to post just tap the star

"4,000 religions
According to some estimates, there are over 4,000 religions, faiths groups, and denominations that exist around the world today. Researchers and academics generally categorize the world's religions into five major groups: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism."


Each one of you be believe what was taught to you .You are a product of the environment you were born in taught what to believe .

Faith is great and at no ones fault what you believe but just rationalize the fact it's a where you were born and who taught you is what you believe .

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: Topcraft

One also has to wonder if the 24 elders also mentioned in Revelation add or subtract from the 144000.

It doesn’t add up and goes against the nature of the Almighty.

I have authored threads on both the 144,000 and the Biblical hope at Psalm 37:29:

"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it."-Psalm 37:29.

Who Are the 144,000

What Really is the New World

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
"4,000 religions
According to some estimates, there are over 4,000 religions, faiths groups, and denominations that exist around the world today. Researchers and academics generally categorize the world's religions into five major groups: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism."


Each one of you be believe what was taught to you .You are a product of the environment you were born in taught what to believe .

Faith is great and at no ones fault what you believe but just rationalize the fact it's a where you were born and who taught you is what you believe .

Out of the thousands of man-made religions only one teaches the truth from the Bible that the soul is mortal, that it sins and dies. Please see this thread regarding this startling truth, and how it points to who really is teaching the truth from the Bible:

Immortality - Deathlessness
ETA (This thread actually goes into some detail about the nature of the soul, immortality, and the false religious dogmas of the Churches that teach the lie that it is immortal and of the falsehood of the Hellfire doctrine as well).

Also, concerning religion, and the common root of them all found in Babylon you may find this thread of mine that talks about it of interest:

Events that Will Soon Come to Pass

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
"4,000 religions
According to some estimates, there are over 4,000 religions, faiths groups, and denominations that exist around the world today. Researchers and academics generally categorize the world's religions into five major groups: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism."


Each one of you be believe what was taught to you .You are a product of the environment you were born in taught what to believe .

Faith is great and at no ones fault what you believe but just rationalize the fact it's a where you were born and who taught you is what you believe .

Out of the thousands of man-made religions only one teaches the truth from the Bible that the soul is mortal, that it sins and dies. Please see this thread regarding this startling truth, and how it points to who really is teaching the truth from the Bible:

Immortality - Deathlessness

It's the one you believe that's the point . It's great to have faith in one thing or another but as I was told don't look at your life from within your circle of family or teachers , Rise above the Earth and look at everyone at once .

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
"4,000 religions
According to some estimates, there are over 4,000 religions, faiths groups, and denominations that exist around the world today. Researchers and academics generally categorize the world's religions into five major groups: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism."


Each one of you be believe what was taught to you .You are a product of the environment you were born in taught what to believe .

Faith is great and at no ones fault what you believe but just rationalize the fact it's a where you were born and who taught you is what you believe .

Out of the thousands of man-made religions only one teaches the truth from the Bible that the soul is mortal, that it sins and dies. Please see this thread regarding this startling truth, and how it points to who really is teaching the truth from the Bible:

Immortality - Deathlessness

It's the one you believe that's the point . It's great to have faith in one thing or another but as I was told don't look at your life from within your circle of family or teachers , Rise above the Earth and look at everyone at once .

The point is what the Bible teaches on the matter. Take a look at the thread.
Immortality - Deathlessness

A portion of it

The immortality of the soul is a core fundamental belief in all religions around the world, except for one that I can think of. Religions may play around with the concept, but they all have it in one form or another. Even secret societies and the mystery religions teach the inherent immortality of the soul.

The Catholic Church teaches the inherent immortality of the soul, eastern religions teach the soul is immortal and reincarnated.

But exactly what is immortality? Simply put, it is the impossibility of ever dying. It is a state of being where one can live off oneself forever never needing an outside force to sustain them.

The Bible teaches a very different understanding of immortality than the religions of the world, even those of the Churches of Christendom that claim to worship the God of the Bible. It is my belief that when one really understands what immortality entails, and who has it their eyes have to be opened to who has the truth and who are in the darkness mentally.

Although the Churches of Christendom teach that the soul is immortal, and they also teach that everyone goes to either heaven, or a Hellfire to burn forever, or a purgatory after death, the Bible paints a very different picture of death and immortality.

For example the Bible teaches that God alone possessed immortality until Jesus Christ was resurrected and as a reward for his faithfulness and loyalty unto death he was given immortality:

"He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see."-1 Timothy 6:15-16.

So while the religions of Christendom, and indeed all religions around the world, along with secret societies and mystery religions, teach that humans possess an immortal soul that can never die, the Bible clearly teaches that God, and his son Jesus Christ are the ones alone that possess immortality. Now if you notice we are also taught that Jesus Christ now dwells in unapproachable light, and no human has ever seen it and will never be able to see it, that is, the elevated form of life that Jesus now possesses in heaven. This is important, because it does relate to the quality of life that those who possess immortality possess. That is they are spirit beings, they cannot be flesh and blood.

The Bible alone teaches that the soul that sins it itself will die:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die."-Ezekiel 18:20.

Death was the the consequence given to Adam and Eve for sinning:

"Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”-Genesis 2:16-17.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

Those stories have been manipulated to fit the need of the political system of the day . priest kings and whoever else who wrote the Bible only included stories that fit their agenda many stories were not written in this "Spoken History book"

The Bible is the oldest political propaganda written Full of no truths half truths and plain out lies to control the populations .

Quite the opposite
The bible is a warts and all exposure of a nation called Israel and all its faults and failures
A history of a people who consistently failed and Gods love for them
You can’t understand the bible because you try and read it like a book, with pre conceived ideas, no understanding of a plus 2000 year old culture
You blame the bible when it’s a historical book
Control the population?
It’s never succeeded in that

a reply to: randomuser

JW,org and PEDOPHILES
There are some Protestant denominations who don’t agree with eternal hell fire, many Protestants don’t agree with catholic theology
Jehovah witnesses would argue that he’ll fire doctrine is satanic and that believing Jesus died on a post not a cross is satanic
I believe working for a cult that denies justice for sexually abused children is satanic
I believe working for a cult that is doing what the Catholic Church did decades ago, hiding child abuse and not turning over child predators
I believe that harbouring pedophiles is satanic
Hell fire, not a salvation issue to me and my faith
Jesus on a post or cross, who cares outside of JW,org

Denying there are pedophiles being protected by JW,org, that’s satanic to me, sick twisted satanic pack of perverts who prey on kids

Argue hell fire but
You think nothing of denying pedophiles are protected in your community
No better than disgusting catholic priests

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: randomuser

JW,org and PEDOPHILES
There are some Protestant denominations who don’t agree with eternal hell fire, many Protestants don’t agree with catholic theology
Jehovah witnesses would argue that he’ll fire doctrine is satanic and that believing Jesus died on a post not a cross is satanic
I believe working for a cult that denies justice for sexually abused children is satanic
I believe working for a cult that is doing what the Catholic Church did decades ago, hiding child abuse and not turning over child predators
I believe that harbouring pedophiles is satanic
Hell fire, not a salvation issue to me and my faith
Jesus on a post or cross, who cares outside of JW,org

Denying there are pedophiles being protected by JW,org, that’s satanic to me, sick twisted satanic pack of perverts who prey on kids

Argue hell fire but
You think nothing of denying pedophiles are protected in your community
No better than disgusting catholic priests

Read Gilgamesh then the Bible old testament - The new testament is rubbish like a dumbed down movie .

I'll put this out there I was molested by a priest I was homeless as a 15 year old kid and a Priest offered to help me .

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: randomuser
I was raised in the Catholic Church as well.

My belief now is that Hell is the total absence of God [all that is good].
To me, that would be worse than hellfire.

Thank you for your expression here. I appreciate it and respect it. Never knew that about you. I am with you 100%. The absence of God is the absence of all that is good.

And I would add, reading God's word is like lifting ones face to the sky at noon on a cloudless day.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

Luke 16:14-31 is simply an allegory that distinguishes between death and everlasting life. In Ecclesiastes 12:7 it states "dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". It is as simple as that.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

Luke 16:14-31 is simply an allegory that distinguishes between death and everlasting life. In Ecclesiastes 12:7 it states "dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". It is as simple as that.

So spirit in a jar to be reused ?

a reply to: randomuser

There are two gods portrayed in Christianity.

Old Testament God.
New Testament God.

John wasn't written by The Second Temple. John was written some time in last half of the first century.

The narrative and role of God changed. The afterlife was changed.

Jews really don't even have a set conception of heaven. And definitely no mention of hell. Responsible for miracles and responsible for adversity alike.

Christianity sort of shifted that IMO. They solidified the character of Ha-Satan, were heavily influenced by The Avesta and structured the follow-up narrative turning Satan into god's dualistically opposed enemy.

Judaism defined good and evil like God placing you halfway between the two and giving you the choice to choose good or evil. No eternal punishment. More "while you're living punishment". You do whatever you want but God prefers nobility.

I feel God's unconditional love was largely an evolutionary step within monotheism to separate and flesh out the traits and roles of good and evil.

There is significant morphology away from nondualism by the New Testament. Certain writers more than others.