Professor Richard Dawkins-There are only two biological sexes and that's all there is to it

originally posted by: quintessentone
So Dawkins also can't provide evidence, where is Dawkins peer-reviewed, undisputed evidence?

Been asking that from him for over a decade, though
Where is your evidence, repeatable, observable and testable?
Just in your head?

Don’t pretend to talk science without evidence

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: linda72

So, Richard Dawkins is wrong about evolution science and God, but he's right about this?

If a man is able to transition to become a woman, is anyone claiming that person is now a 3rd sex? Nope. That they lost their "Y" chromosome? Nope.

What people, including scientists, are saying is that "sex" is on a spectrum, both biologically and in physical expression. There are endless shades of gray on the two ended spectrum that lies between pure black and pure white.

I still don't know how you have come up with the claim Dawkins is wrong about evolution n science.

What do you think is more likely to be wrong-Dawkins or the activists?

let's make babies that's all we're here for, all I ever identify with is my sexual reproduction, I have no personality no nothing just a walking baby factory.

That's all women are, well, at least from a simplistic biological POV. I guess most people identify well beyond those biological concepts necessary for sexual reproduction. But I guess those so adamant to define humans solely on their chromosomes must be very shallow individuals.

a reply to: linda72

How is he wrong about evolution? Are you claiming he is wrong?

Why did you choose to write a thread about what Richard Dawkins, who wrote a book called "The God Delusion" and "The Self Gene" thinks about the sexes? Is it because you think he's a controversial a leftist darling and that liberals agree with everything he says?

If sex is non-binary then you need to state which other sexes exist.

"Non-binary" doesn't necessarily mean someone is trying to impose a 3rd dimension on a flat plane, unless you simply just can't embrace how human sexuality is expressed on a sliding scale spectrum between male and female, both genetically and physically. It's as if you think that people who suggest a spectrum model of human sexual expression are trying to add shades of yellow and red into a black and white spectrum.

The term 'spectrum' doesn't exist in biology/genetics

Says who?

Biology is a spectrum
Life on Earth is complex and irreducible

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Lucius Driftwood

ZW is the system birds and insects use where ZZ is male and ZW is female.

Not quite sure why Dawkins is denying hermaphrodites, XXX and XXY types and there's a really rare condition where identical twins can be born where one is male and the other female, but the female is sterile but I can't remember what that is called. Though I'm pretty sure it'll be Fox or Moron misquoting him/not understanding it as Dawkins is a stickler for precision and not oversimplifying to the point of innacuracy.

I am not sure whether there is a bit of sarcasm in your post.

Fox News hasn't misquoted Dawkins-he has given an interview with Piers Morgan

He hasn't denied hermaphrodites because human hermaphrodites don't exist-if they did they would be able to get pregnant and impregnate others-but no such humans exist or have existed. XXX and XXY are medical conditions within the sex-binary n not different sexes-you can see the abnormal number of chromosomes-XXX is a female btw

i think the issue is people mixing social constructs, hormone imbalance, psychological conditions and biology, biologically there are 6 chromosome combinations but they are all expressions of male or female and generally are mutations with all kinds of health problems and fertility problems, even with hermaphrodites are expressions of male or female even with both parts. biologically there's only two genders even with the 6 chromosome combinations, everything else is speculative.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: linda72

How is he wrong about evolution? Are you claiming he is wrong?

Why did you choose to write a thread about what Richard Dawkins, who wrote a book called "The God Delusion" and "The Self Gene" thinks about the sexes? Is it because you think he's a controversial a leftist darling and that liberals agree with everything he says?

If sex is non-binary then you need to state which other sexes exist.

"Non-binary" doesn't necessarily mean someone is trying to impose a 3rd dimension on a flat plane, unless you simply just can't embrace how human sexuality is expressed on a sliding scale spectrum between male and female, both genetically and physically. It's as if you think that people who suggest a spectrum model of human sexual expression are trying to add shades of yellow and red into a black and white spectrum.

The term 'spectrum' doesn't exist in biology/genetics

Says who?

Biology is a spectrum
Life on Earth is complex and irreducible

I will still insist the term 'spectrum' doesn't exist in biology just because someone says so or writes an article online.

I have asked the question many times but you maybe able to answer (it hasn't been answered yet)

How many sexes exist? If you say more than two then you need to name them-if you don't then you accept sex is binary.

I don't care if he is a leftist-but I do care about science n reality having spent more than a decade in academia-haven't seen yet any evidence for all the claims made about more-than-2-biological-sexes n 'spectrums'

originally posted by: namehere
i think the issue is people mixing social constructs, hormone imbalance, psychological conditions and biology, biologically there are 6 chromosome combinations but they are all expressions of male or female and generally are mutations with all kinds of health problems and fertility problems, even with hermaphrodites are expressions of male or female even with both parts. biologically there's only two genders even with the 6 chromosome combinations, everything else is speculative.

No hermaphrodites ever existed within the human species

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's the real crux of the matter isn't it? It's really a satanic attack on God's word. When you have raised an entire culture to believe unreality and lies (such as evolution is real, that God doesn't exist, and that his word is not in the Bible) it becomes an easy thing to manipulate them any which way you please.

"So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes. But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ."-Ephesians 4:14-15.

Uh huh. But this is a thread elevating the opinion on an atheist as the voice of reason against trans folk and their gender curious expression. Then you go and start quoting the Bible and Jesus Christ.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
There ARE only 2 Biological sexes!
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I really don't care, which "gender" you decide to be. I don't need to know, honestly. Are you now happy? Are you a good person? That is all that matters in the end.

But all this BS to try to change Biological facts, to fit a narrative, needs to stop. What also needs to stop, is social media. At this point, I wish the internet would crash.

Just fed up with people wanting their 15 minutes of fame, regardless of the issue, even if it is being a victim.

That would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

a reply to: linda72

I will still insist the term 'spectrum' doesn't exist in biology just because someone says so or writes an article online.

LOL How do think terms get introduced into biological studies, texts and grants if not by someone?

Autism spectrum disorder

How many sexes exist? If you say more than two then you need to name them-if you don't then you accept sex is binary.

Binary means one or the other. How many shades of grey exist between black and white?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's the real crux of the matter isn't it? It's really a satanic attack on God's word. When you have raised an entire culture to believe unreality and lies (such as evolution is real, that God doesn't exist, and that his word is not in the Bible) it becomes an easy thing to manipulate them any which way you please.

"So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes. But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ."-Ephesians 4:14-15.

Uh huh. But this is a thread elevating the opinion on an atheist as the voice of reason against trans folk and their gender curious expression. Then you go and start quoting the Bible and Jesus Christ.

He could be an atheist n leftist-I am not bothered.

Pr Dawkins doesn't have an opinion-but expertise n knowledge in evolutionary biology n science

Being an atheist is irrelevant

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: namehere
i think the issue is people mixing social constructs, hormone imbalance, psychological conditions and biology, biologically there are 6 chromosome combinations but they are all expressions of male or female and generally are mutations with all kinds of health problems and fertility problems, even with hermaphrodites are expressions of male or female even with both parts. biologically there's only two genders even with the 6 chromosome combinations, everything else is speculative.

No hermaphrodites ever existed within the human species

it was an example mostly but they do exist in small numbers, 11 to be exact and all their children were born male. as for false hermaphroditees there's only a few hundred and i was mostly referring to other genders being mutations due to extra chromosomes, hermaphrodites dont even necessarily have extra chromosomes.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: linda72

I will still insist the term 'spectrum' doesn't exist in biology just because someone says so or writes an article online.

LOL How do think terms get introduced into biological studies, texts and grants if not by someone?

How many sexes exist? If you say more than two then you need to name them-if you don't then you accept sex is binary.

Binary means one or the other. How many shades of grey exist between black and white?

The terms you describe-gender identity-spectrum-and other- have been introduced by activists not scientists.

If some of the scientists use them that's another story.

So how many sexes exist? Two? Three? More?

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: namehere
i think the issue is people mixing social constructs, hormone imbalance, psychological conditions and biology, biologically there are 6 chromosome combinations but they are all expressions of male or female and generally are mutations with all kinds of health problems and fertility problems, even with hermaphrodites are expressions of male or female even with both parts. biologically there's only two genders even with the 6 chromosome combinations, everything else is speculative.

No hermaphrodites ever existed within the human species

it was an example mostly but they do exist in small numbers, 11 to be exact and all their children were born male. as for false hermaphroditees there's only a few hundred and i was mostly referring to genders being mutations due to extra chromosomes, not true genders like true hermaphrodites

A hermaphrodite should be able to get pregnant n at the same time impregnate others.

Have you ever seen any human with these properties?

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: chiefsmom
There ARE only 2 Biological sexes!
Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

I really don't care, which "gender" you decide to be. I don't need to know, honestly. Are you now happy? Are you a good person? That is all that matters in the end.

But all this BS to try to change Biological facts, to fit a narrative, needs to stop. What also needs to stop, is social media. At this point, I wish the internet would crash.

Just fed up with people wanting their 15 minutes of fame, regardless of the issue, even if it is being a victim.

That would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

Social media-great point!

a reply to: linda72

People that say there are more than two genders or sexes clearly don’t care about their credibility.
So why do we even validate their nonsense with replies?
By replying, WE ARE GIVING THEM credibility they don’t have.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: linda72

So, Richard Dawkins is wrong about evolution science and God, but he's right about this?

Uh, yeah? He could also tell us 2+2=4 and we'd say he was right about that as well. It's ok to agree with someone you normally disagree with if they give out common sense information. You act like we're left wingers.

originally posted by: Notabot12345666
a reply to: linda72

People that say there are more than two genders or sexes clearly don’t care about their credibility.
So why do we even validate their nonsense with replies?
By replying, WE ARE GIVING THEM credibility they don’t have.

Good point!

But it's like they do everything to loose their credibility.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

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