Aliens & Espionage: Crop Circles and the CIA Coverup | The Why Files

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: krygstem

There's no such thing as "writing in binary", binary is just a numeric system, like decimal.

To "write in binary" we need coding system that makes the connection between a binary number and a letter, like "01000001" meaning "A" (if I got my zeros and ones right), then we have to use those letters to write in a specific language.

If I was part of an alien species trying to communicate with humans I wouldn't:
1 - choose apparently random parts of agricultural fields in a few specific countries, mostly in the UK;
2 - choose an enigmatic writing system that nobody can understand.

When we really want to communicated with someone with try to get the closest to their own language as we can (I do it here all the time, as my natural language is Portuguese).

I also speak Portuguese, I'm from Brazil.

Probably you didn't watch the video. So I'll tell you what happened there: they showed that one of the crop circles, a very complex one (big and that only makes sense when viewed from a helicopter), contained a representation of an alien (grey with pupils) and a binary code (written in a spiral) that when translated to ASCII contained a message. That's what I have called: "talk in binary". And... yes... I know what binary is, I'm a game programmer (graduated in "Jogos Digitais") and technically learned binary calculations in college.

If the information provided by the video is correct: then they have already communicated using binary and doing the experiment would be only an expansion.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: ArMaP
I think it was, there's something about that here somewhere, I'll try to find it.

I couldn't find what I was thinking about, but it was the Oliver's Castle case.

Just google John Wabe / nippon studios for several versions of the expose.

originally posted by: krygstem
I also speak Portuguese, I'm from Brazil.

Probably you didn't watch the video. So I'll tell you what happened there: they showed that one of the crop circles, a very complex one (big and that only makes sense when viewed from a helicopter), contained a representation of an alien (grey with pupils) and a binary code (written in a spiral) that when translated to ASCII contained a message.

Although I didn't watch the video, the mention of "binary" made me think of that specific crop circle.

Again, what is the point of writing a message in binary that has to be converted to ASCII to give a plain text message in English? Writing the message in English would be faster (no need for 8 bits instead of a letter) and clearer.

If someone is trying to communicate with us, why use that roundabout way?

To me, it only makes sense if it was someone trying to impress people, not someone really trying to communicate.

Then the people that did the interpretation of the crop circle did the same thing, they presented their findings in a way to impress people.

To me it's even possible that the people that made the interpretation were connected in some way to the people that made the crop circle.

And yes, I think all crop circles are made by humans, as I have said before I have yet to see one that could not have been made by humans.

a reply to: chunder

Thanks.

a reply to: ArMaP

Same thoughts too.

Also, with that gold record that’s attached to voyager 1 and 2 with a code that explains how to play the record. Even I would have trouble deciphering that code, let alone making some antiquated record player.

Why make it difficult. Attach pictures instead. In the vacuum of space, pictures will last forever.

I sometimes think that crop circles are a higher form of…….

Debossing is the opposite of embossing as you are creating an indent in the material you are using. A metal die is stamped onto the front of the material you are using causing depressions that leave a (debossed) imprint of the image.

….perhaps caused by focused pulsed waves of a force we have yet to discover.

Crop circles are messages….but from whom or what.

Is it conceivable that an alien race sent a communication probe and placed it In geostationary orbit over the British Isles and cloaked it for whatever reason…but just as long as it can send messages to earths surface? Crop fields being the canvas….

They say a picture is worth a thousand words……Art in itself communicates messages to the eye of the beholder.

I refuse to believe that ALL crop circles are man-made

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Crop circles are messages….but from whom or what.

If they are messages and trying to communicate something then someone needs to tell they failed.

Is it conceivable that an alien race sent a communication probe and placed it In geostationary orbit over the British Isles and cloaked it for whatever reason…but just as long as it can send messages to earths surface? Crop fields being the canvas….

It is, but why?
Why the British Islands (although crop circles appear around the world, mostly do appear on the UK)?
Why that stupid means of delivering a message? They way they are done many risk never being seen.

If they wanted to send a message they should write it where everyone can see it, in the sky, for example.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words……Art in itself communicates messages to the eye of the beholder.

Some things can only be clearly described with text, an example of it being the sentence "a picture is worth a thousand words", try creating a picture that makes everyone get that meaning.

I refuse to believe that ALL crop circles are man-made

Could you give an example of one that you think is not man-made and why you think that?

a reply to: ArMaP

Really ArMap….it is clear to me that your of the opinion that ALL crop circles are man-made….yet I’m sure you don’t have proof for that yourself. I’m not going down that rabbit hole of debate.

It’s just my opinion due to the intricacies and complexities of the designs of crop circles in general.

As for worth a thousand words….it’s an adage you’ll have to research its Genesis…. I didn’t come up with it.

If you like …. I can find a picture of a thousand words and post it…humorously.

As always…you don’t have to agree with posts I make in my own opinion.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Really ArMap….it is clear to me that your of the opinion that ALL crop circles are man-made….yet I’m sure you don’t have proof for that yourself. I’m not going down that rabbit hole of debate.

As I said before, of all the crop circles I have seen I have yet to see one that could not be made by humans.

I cannot comment on those I haven't seen, so I cannot say that all crop circles are man made.

It’s just my opinion due to the intricacies and complexities of the designs of crop circles in general.

I learned technical drawing (by hand, not computer aided), so, to me, they do not appear that hard to make.

For example, it's extremely easy to divide a circle in three or six by hand, and many crop circles use that kind of division.
Another common thing in technical drawing is using auxiliary lines to achieve a more complex drawing, and in many of the crop circles I have seen we can see those auxiliary lines that are (usually) also used in the final design to make it look more complex.

Computers make it easier to create complex designs and break them in its main parts (circles or arcs of circle). Although I think I have seen one that used an ellipse (harder to draw), it could have been a false ellipse, easier to make and that looks close enough to an ellipse to fool the eye.

Another thing, most people assume crop circles appear in one night, but I have seen some cases of photos after the first night and the final result after the second, like the one below, that appeared on Silbury Hill, Avebury, Wiltshire, in August 2004.



I suppose we can all agree it was a complex design, but what most people do not know is that there was a photo of that circle from the previous day, this one.



If this was supposedly made by aliens (or whoever) with some kind of "imprinting device" or "microwave gun", why two days (nights) to make it? And why does the initial circle looks like the start of a man made drawing?

That's why I don't believe that the crop circles I have seen are not made by humans.

As for worth a thousand words….it’s an adage you’ll have to research its Genesis…. I didn’t come up with it.

I know that, I just don't like "canned expressions" like that or "thinking outside the box".

As always…you don’t have to agree with posts I make in my own opinion.

Obviously.

PS: one funny thing I read once was that some people that claimed to make crop circles mentioned that they sometimes saw strange things during the night, specially lights moving relatively close to the ground that could not have been fireflies. Were they lying? I don't know.

a reply to: ArMaP

We can both agree we have not seen ALL crop circles to definitively conclude either all man-made or not all man-made.

One of my sheepskins is a two year degree in Engineering Drawing…..at a transition time when I was taught and used both paper pencil compasses T-Square….and then used auto-cad, and microstation. So I have a an idea where your coming from.

I guess a good example of what might be a suspected genuine crop circle …is the lack of track’s leading to and from the design.

If you notice……some designs are on fields that have farm equipment tracks. Humans can walk within those tracks to travel to the point where they want to do their designs. Trampling footprints would otherwise not be seen.

Find a crop circle without any machine and or human tracks anywhere around it….is a good start, imo, for narrowing down a possible true crop circle, out of all the crop circles ever seen.

A complete world wide database of crop circle images….would help.

Incidentally…I suppose a helicopter of hoaxers could be used…much like no tracks being found around some reports of cattle mutilations leading some to believe in alien craft.

I’ve seen studies with pictures about chemical changes in the stalks of the crops after the design has been made.

What I haven’t read or seen….. is any study having to do with analyzing bugs and bacteria that perhaps were in the soil. Sure pesticide’s may naturally be used by the farmer….but I suspect not all pesticides kill all pests all of the time.

If microwaves had been used to make the crop circle, I suspect anything living in the crops or on or just below the ground, may have died in the process of making the crop circles. Analyzing the dead bugs, bacteria, etc…..should reveal something at least.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
A complete world wide database of crop circle images….would help.

Several years ago there was a site that had almost all of the better known crop circles, but I don't think it still exists, as it looks like the interest in crop circles has declined.

I’ve seen studies with pictures about chemical changes in the stalks of the crops after the design has been made.

Too bad we don't have that data before the design has been made, that would prove that the difference (if any) came from the creation of the crop circle.

What I haven’t read or seen….. is any study having to do with analyzing bugs and bacteria that perhaps were in the soil. Sure pesticide’s may naturally be used by the farmer….but I suspect not all pesticides kill all pests all of the time.

If microwaves had been used to make the crop circle, I suspect anything living in the crops or on or just below the ground, may have died in the process of making the crop circles. Analyzing the dead bugs, bacteria, etc…..should reveal something at least.

That's the problem with many studies in topics like this, they are either made by debunkers or by believers, none appears to be completely independent, so there's always a bias in a way or the other.

The fact that Linda Moulton Howe dipped her greedy hands into the phenom (er...opportunity) tells me completely that it's bunk.

Great story though and it's fun to speculate and fantasize.

I enjoy those Why Files vids but cannot stand that fish. To me it detracts seriousness to the subject matter

originally posted by: TXRabbit
The fact that Linda Moulton Howe dipped her greedy hands into the phenom (er...opportunity) tells me completely that it's bunk.

Great story though and it's fun to speculate and fantasize.

I enjoy those Why Files vids but cannot stand that fish. To me it detracts seriousness to the subject matter

Fish sidekicks are all the rage…..

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

lol


Regarding the OP video though, it's interesting how people who claim to have witnessed these circles being made report a mist or steam coming from the site immediately after the formation. This part of the video where this is mentioned was immediately after they showed the scientist who examined stalks of grass from circles and seeing how internal ruptures occurred inside the stalks, "similar to what happens when a microwave heats food or water".

Now that got me thinking.......Could these formations be the result of a type of DE weapon test (or show-and=tell)?

If the government-media complex would ever be inclined toward the truth of the matter, they would find that the formations of interest contain truly anomalous physical properties: elongated and expelled stalk nodes (apparently from microwave radiation), iron microspheres, no (or very little) crop damage, layered swirling effect etc.

a reply to: Plunkenstein

Thing is they aren't truly anomalous because the same things can be seen in circles known to be man made. Plus all of that information comes from the BLT group, hardly unbiased peer reviewed science.

The interesting thing for me are the accounts from circlemakers themselves who described finding patterns in adjacent fields the next morning to those they worked in without having seen or heard anything. Also those from an early one when they were thinking about a particular design only to find they had been beaten to it (I think that was the early "key" pattern).

I wouldn't rule out the tricksters being occasionally out-tricked.

Either way interesting subject which when you look into in depth has some curious features, a local cottage industry was developed involving collusion between circlemakers and private pilots. The museum and the Barge Inn are worth a visit if ever in the area.

a reply to: chunder

Please let me know of the specific video exposition/proof of the EXACT replication, if applicable, of the formations BLT has studied.

a reply to: Plunkenstein

You made the claim first, you bring the evidence.

a reply to: chunder

Ah now my interest is piqued into doing more investigating, or to the extent I can especially regarding the apparent politics around it. The BLT Research dot com site still exists, but hasn't been updated since August '16, when Nancy Talbott, the "T" in BLT, reported her Facebook page being deleted without explanation. Most of the very copious news and info on the site is from starting around 20 years ago, and even longer, but the bottom line is that I 've yet to come across anything regarding the aforementioned specifically physical properties being disproved as genuinely anomalous manifestations. Would gladly receive the actual proof/truth, with no rhetoric or opinion, whatever direction it points to.

crop circles are too perfect, doing them in a hoax/fake manner would be very costly and time consuming.

hoaxer: hey team we have 3 hrs before farmer john wakes up and goes for his morning walk, let's finish this very complicated design pattern on his fields. we also can't make any mistakes and have to finish this asap.