Biden family will be exposed Wednesday.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: MrInquisitive

I read what you wrote. You can forget about clumping me in with the "RW" folk. Again, all I see from you is a mirror reflection of the bias you argue against. The corruption you're blind to is right in front of your eyeballs.

Well I assume anyone claiming Joe Biden is guilty of corruption at this point, without any direct evidence is a right winger. Pardon me if you aren't, but then you're writing that I am blind to the corruption right in front of my eyes when there still hasn't been any evidence provided that Joe Biden is connected to this matter, which sure sounds like your biased towards the Republican/RW view.

As I keep writing in posts here, show some actual evidence of Biden's involvement in the matter. I have yet to see any. I'm not dismissing the possibility out of hand, and I've yet to see any proof that he is involved, so how is that turning a blind eye to it? Make your best argument to me in response: cite or provide me some direct evidence of his involvement. His son or other relatives getting payments -- for what exactly, no one has provided detail yet -- does not make for adequate evidence of Sclerotic Joe's involvement.

I'm open to evidence, unlike right wingers who continue to deny that Jan 6 was an attack upon the capitol by Trump supporters. Provide some real evidence and convince me of the claims. What is so blind-eyed on my part about that request.

This is the thing. There are a whole lot of people in this thread who are really biased and think they know that Joe Biden is involved, and all I keep asking for is actual evidence which nobody provides, but then people such as yourself say I am turning a blind eye to it, which is just being disingenuous. I'm open minded and am quite willing to look at evidence. Just provide some. If you and others can't, then how do you expect objective people to believe you?

I certainly don't deny that the payments to Hunter Biden and other Biden family members looks a bit suspicious, but more evidence is needed to justifiably accuse them of wrong doing.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

To answer your question, that doesn't sound legal, but I'm not a lawyer. But do you have any evidence that it is a joint account or that some of said money made it to Joe Biden? And are you saying that Hunter B. pays his dad $50k a month for rent? If so, where did you come up with that information? Again, not denying or nay-saying anything; I just want too see some evidence, whether that be financial records, receipts or witness(es) -- you know, typical court-case evidence.

It's not like I made this stuff up... Sometimes I really wonder about people who debate on ATS do not know all this stuff is common information. One of many reports...

News that President Joe Biden kept classified documents at his home and an office of a college think tank has made the start of the commander-in-chief's 2023 difficult, to say the least.

With a Department of Justice investigation underway, a new wave of controversy was unleashed after a photo emerged suggesting Hunter Biden may have lived at his father's home when the documents were stored there.

The photo of a form, showing a tenancy background check filled with Hunter Biden's details and what appeared to be the president's address, underlined the potential vulnerabilities of these confidential papers.


Furthermore, details within the form were claimed to be proof that Hunter Biden paid his father around $50,000 in rent every month, inspiring new accusations that the president may have benefited from his son's business dealings, details of which have been under scrutiny for several years.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

I'm not going to walk you through it because there's no point. You can't see what you're blind to. You accused me of being blind to corruption in Trump's family but I haven't defended their innocence. I see the issues on all sides. Corruption isn't one sided. You however, don't see it that way. You see corruption only on one side and not the other. That's why I tell you that you're a mirror reflection of the right.

a reply to: socialmediaclown

That's just a cop out on your part, not showing me any evidence as i requested. And claiming that I'm one-side regarding corruption is a false accusation. I'm bearish on corruption from either side. I said provide me some real evidence of Biden's wrongdoing or connection to all of this, so I can make an informed decision on the matter. You didn't, but rather just continue accusing me of being biased and one-sided.

As an example of my objectiveness, when John Edwards got caught using campaign funds to pay off the mother of his illegitimate child, I lost all respect for him, and would never vote for him or support him in anyway. As it turned out, I think he got away with the matter on some technicality, but that's not on me.

I've acknowledged that the payments to Hunter and other Bidens looks suspicious, but one needs the details to know for sure, and I've already said the House Oversight committee should pursue the investigation if they see fit. What is so biased, one-sided and blind-eye turning about that? If they find culpability on Joe Biden's part, then book him, Danno, as his term as president is up. He allegedly do it as president, so they can't impeach him for it, just like they couldn't impeach Trump for things he did before becoming president.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

To answer your question, that doesn't sound legal, but I'm not a lawyer. But do you have any evidence that it is a joint account or that some of said money made it to Joe Biden? And are you saying that Hunter B. pays his dad $50k a month for rent? If so, where did you come up with that information? Again, not denying or nay-saying anything; I just want too see some evidence, whether that be financial records, receipts or witness(es) -- you know, typical court-case evidence.

It's not like I made this stuff up... Sometimes I really wonder about people who debate on ATS do not know all this stuff is common information. One of many reports...

News that President Joe Biden kept classified documents at his home and an office of a college think tank has made the start of the commander-in-chief's 2023 difficult, to say the least.

With a Department of Justice investigation underway, a new wave of controversy was unleashed after a photo emerged suggesting Hunter Biden may have lived at his father's home when the documents were stored there.

The photo of a form, showing a tenancy background check filled with Hunter Biden's details and what appeared to be the president's address, underlined the potential vulnerabilities of these confidential papers.


Furthermore, details within the form were claimed to be proof that Hunter Biden paid his father around $50,000 in rent every month, inspiring new accusations that the president may have benefited from his son's business dealings, details of which have been under scrutiny for several years.

Yes, it is like you make this stuff up, or at least cite stuff that is uncorroborated by any reputable news source, to wit:

Fact check: False claim that Hunter Biden paid Joe Biden $50,000 in rent for Delaware home

The claim: Hunter Biden paid Joe Biden $50,000 a month in rent for home with classified documents

A Jan. 16 Instagram post (direct link, archived link) from conservative commentator Carl Higbie shows a screenshot of his tweet about President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

"Hunter Biden paid his dad $50,000 a MONTH in rent for the home that housed classified documents," reads the tweet. "During the same time frame, @JoeBiden only claimed less than $20,000 in rent payments PER YEAR."

Our rating: False

The claim stems from a misinterpretation of a form Hunter Biden signed in 2018. The form actually shows quarterly payments he made for office space in the House of Sweden, a building in Washington, D.C., according to a spokesperson for Sweden's National Property Board. The payment was not rent paid to Joe Biden for the use of his Delaware home.

Conspiracy theory on Hunter Biden's rent started on Twitter

The claim about Hunter Biden paying his father rent originated with a background screening request form that Hunter Biden signed in 2018 that went viral on Twitter.

The White House revealed on Jan. 12 that classified documents were found in the garage of Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware. That same day, a conservative Twitter account tweeted an image of the form.

The form lists Joe Biden’s Wilmington home as Hunter Biden’s current address and $49,910 as the monthly rent paid between March 2017 – the move-in date – and February 2018 – the move-out date – in a separate section titled "current residence."

After New York Post reporter Miranda Devine tweeted the image, social media users and conservative commentators began wrongly asserting the $49,910 payment on the form was rent Hunter Biden paid to his father for the Wilmington home.

Payment linked to office space in Washington, D.C.

Contrary to the post's claim, Hunter Biden "did not pay any member of his family rent money for any property" – including that Delaware home, a spokesperson for Hunter Biden's legal team told USA TODAY in an emailed statement.

The image of the form came from the hard drive of Hunter Biden's laptop left at a repair shop in 2019, the contents of which were published by former White House Trump staffer Garrett Ziegler.

But the $49,910 payment on the form is not related to that Delaware home.

Hunter Biden made $49,910 quarterly payments in that time span for office space he rented at the House of Sweden, a building in Washington, D.C., that is home to the Swedish Embassy, Maria Uggla, a spokesperson for Sweden's National Property Board, told USA TODAY in an email.

I found this out from a quick googling of "hunter biden paid $50,000 per month rent to Joe Biden". Now you may say this is BS, but you need to provide some better evidence than you have provided so far. Even so, I say let the House Oversight Committee investigate this very matter more carefully, and if they find factual evidence to the contrary, i.e. that which incriminates Joe Biden, then let the chips fall as they will. Don't believe I am behaving in a partisan manner by saying this.

Here's another article regarding this conspiracy theory that started from an anonymous Twitter account:

How a Hunter Biden conspiracy theory grew, from lone tweet to a big megaphone

Terribly sorry that I don't follow Twitter one bit, let alone every right-wing mouth piece, particularly anonymous ones, to see what the latest unsubstantiated and likely false accusation against Joe Biden is.

And yes, Joe Biden's team found that he had classified documents sitting in an office of his, and in his garage. And when they found out, they notified the DOJ and returned the items. Whereas Trump had items that he refused to return, which the FBI got a search warrant to seize, and even then there is suspicion that Trump moved things around in order to obstruct the investigation, which is most definitely a crime. The Garland DOJ has put special counsel on both the Trump and Biden classified document cases, so they are both being investigated. However, Mike Pence was also found to have classified documents at his home, but the DOJ has not appointed a special counsel for him, so in this respect it appears that the Biden DOJ is going easier on Mike Pence as a VP than Biden as a VP with regards to hitherto recently held classified documents.

And in the item you cited in your reply to me, it says a photo suggested something suspicious. Well that's a far cry from some documentary evidence corroborating the suspicion. Do you understand the difference?

I appreciate your replying to my post and trying to provide me some information on the matter as requested, but it doesn't seem to hold up upon scrutiny.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

I could show you a plethora of shady Biden dealings but I'm not going to waste my valuable time. If you were really so interested in the truth, you'd take the time to pursue it yourself. Obviously, you're not that interested. You don't see any wrongdoings because you don't want to see them. You refuse to connect the dot. Simple as that. I have zero trust for Ivanka, Jared and all the rest. It's easy for me to see quite a bit of dishonesty going on. Is any of it illegal? That depends on who's laws you're talking about. It's easy for them to skirt legalities written by the federal government. They do it all the time. You can get away with anything when you're a member of the protected class. Just because something isn't "illegal" by technical terms doesn't mean it's not corrupt.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: MrInquisitive

I could show you a plethora of shady Biden dealings but I'm not going to waste my valuable time. If you were really so interested in the truth, you'd take the time to pursue it yourself. Obviously, you're not that interested. You don't see any wrongdoings because you don't want to see them. You refuse to connect the dot. Simple as that. I have zero trust for Ivanka, Jared and all the rest. It's easy for me to see quite a bit of dishonesty going on. Is any of it illegal? That depends on who's laws you're talking about. It's easy for them to skirt legalities written by the federal government. They do it all the time. You can get away with anything when you're a member of the protected class. Just because something isn't "illegal" by technical terms doesn't mean it's not corrupt.

That's again a cop out. And you're certainly unfairly mischaracterizing me as not being interested. Did you see my post above in which I spent the time to investigate the information Xtrozero provided me in a reply to a post of mine. What do you want me to do, google "shady Biden dealings"? No doubt I'll find innumerable results from biased, conservative and MAGA sites, there isn't going to be anything from a reputable news source with a general search like that. Give me some legit search phrases for shady Biden dealings you know about and I will indeed look into them. I am interested, and I don't dismiss such accusations out of hand.

I don't doubt that Biden has been involved in some shady crap throughout his governmental career, but that is how most politicians roll, and a lot of it they do very close to the line of being illegal but avoid it. In that way I share your general view. As this is the case, when looking at any individual potential scandal, I try to size up the magnitude of it, both in terms of the money and the policy wrongdoing that went down. At this point I don't see anything concrete that adds up to much besides the fact that some members of Joe Biden's family got paid $10 million in total for what we our not sure right now, and so far there is nothing linking Joe Biden to this money, this $50k/month rent conspiracy notwithstanding. But as I have said numerous times now, let the House Oversight Committee investigate this matter more thoroughly and let the chips fall where they may. Really what more do you want from me? I'm certainly not adamantly denying that there is a potential of a scandal or wrongdoing; I'm only asking for better evidence, and so far nothing has been provided that goes beyond a conspiracy theory based on some erroneous information -- from what I can gather from reputable news sources.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know: MSM bad, anonymous Twitter account tweets and their embellishment by rightwing/MAGA new sources good. I, however, try to be more critically discerning of the news I take in than that.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
there is no evidence that Joe Biden is tied to this matter

So what does that evidence look like to you?

It looks like Hunter Biden and other Biden family members got payments for one or more things or services, but there is no explanation of what they were, legal or illegal. As I've already said, continue investigating, but until something is found, lay off the unfounded accusations that something illegal went down. And as I have said in about three different posts in this thread, I have yet to see any evidence of a direct link to Joe Biden of any of this. Again, though, I have no problem with the Congressional Oversight Committee pursuing investigation in order to see if there is some wrongdoing.

What evidence do you believe directly links Joe Biden to this matter? I have yet to see/hear any, and I listened to the entire video of the Committee's Wednesday press conference. What information ties Joe Biden to any of this? I've seen nothing. People are inferring that he is connected because family members got money. That is not evidence of his involvement.

There are supposedly whistle blowers, so have them testify as to the specifics of their claims.

do you know the name Tony Bobulinsky?

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
let the House Oversight Committee investigate this matter more thoroughly and let the chips fall where they may.

So far this is a part of what is directly from the oversight committee. House

The Complicated Web of Biden Family and Associates’ Companies: Biden family members and business associates created a web of over 20 companies—most were limited liability companies formed after Joe Biden became Vice President.
The Biden Family Received Millions of Dollars from Foreign Sources: Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ and their related companies. The Committee has identified payments to Biden family members from foreign companies while he served as Vice President and after he left public office.
The Biden Family Used Business Associates’ Companies to Receive Foreign Funds: Despite creating many companies after Vice President Biden took office, the Biden family used business associates’ companies to receive millions of dollars from foreign companies.
Attempts to Conceal Large Financial Transactions: After foreign companies sent money to business associates’ companies, the Biden family received incremental payments over time to different bank accounts. These complicated financial transactions appear to be meant to conceal the source of the funds and reduce the conspicuousness of the total amounts made into the Biden bank accounts.
Chinese Nationals Hid the Source of the Money:Chinese nationals and companies with significant ties to Chinese intelligence and the Chinese Communist Party hid the source of the funds paid out to the Bidens by layering domestic limited liability companies. The Biden family and associates’ activities in coordination with Chinese nationals and their corporate entities appear to be an attempt to engage in financial deception. Multiple Biden family members received money from the Chinese after it passed through an associate’s account. Additionally, Hunter Biden received money directly into his company’s account from a Chinese-controlled entity.
Biden Family and Associates’ Activities in Romania Indicate Influence Peddling Scheme: The Biden family and associates’ activities in Romania bear clear indicia of a scheme to peddle influence from 2015 to 2017. While Vice President Biden lectured Romania on corruption and ethics, the Bidens received over a million dollars from a company controlled by a Romanian individual accused of corruption, Gabriel Popoviciu, through a Biden family associate.

No smoking gun found in the Biden family investigation.

It's all just been a waste in taxpayer's money, in this right wing extremist, Republican led Congressional investigation of the Bidens and a wild goose chase to boot.

a reply to: Erno86
Every family member that collected money has violated the FARA law.
Mr Biden sold out his grandchildren.

originally posted by: Erno86
No smoking gun found in the Biden family investigation.

It's all just been a waste in taxpayer's money, in this right wing extremist, Republican led Congressional investigation of the Bidens and a wild goose chase to boot.

So how do you rate it to 6 years of nonstop Trump attacks? It seems you do not even want to look at Biden with a wide range of WTFs while liking every attack against Trump.

originally posted by: Erno86

It's all just been a waste in taxpayer's money

Put it on the pile with the MILLIONS spent going after Trump - and they're still not finished with him.

Spare me your sudden fiscal outrage.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Nope. As we went over in the other thread, only if they were collecting money in the interest of a foreign principal would they have to register as a foreign agent.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
Yep
And as you admitted and from the bank records all they have to do is collect the money to be an agent.
Not filing as an agent is a crime.

Mr Biden sold out his own grandchildren.

www.fara.us...

FARA defines “foreign principal” broadly to include:

Any association, corporation, organization, or “combination of persons” that either was established under a foreign country’s laws or maintains its principal place of business in a foreign country; and
Any individual outside the United States (other a U.S. citizen who is also domiciled in the U.S.).

Which cover all the people giving the Biden family money.

An “agent” is an individual or entity that acts “within the United States” at the order, request, direction, or control of either: (1) a “foreign principal”; or (2) a person “any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a “foreign principal.” An individual or entity can become an “agent” even without a contractual relationship or formal agreement with a “foreign principal.”

Which cover all those Biden family members who were financed.

In order to be an “agent,” an individual or entity must perform one of the following specified FARA-registrable activities within the United States “for or in the interests of” its “foreign principal”:

Solicit, Collect, Disburse, or Dispense Money or Other Things of Value

As the Biden family members collected money they are required to register as agents

Criminal enforcement cases are brought when an individual or entity “willfully” fails to register under FARA, makes a false statement of material fact on a FARA filing, or omits a material fact in a FARA filing. A violation is “willful” when the violator is aware that his/her/its conduct is unlawful. Generally, a “willful” violation carries a penalty for the violator of up to five years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine.

The sitting potus sold out his own grandchildren.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I didn't admit that at all. As I said in my last post, are only required to register as an agent of they are collecting money for a foreign principle. From what I can see, the Bidens were collecting money for themselves, ergo no need to register as a foreign agent.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
Lol
The foreigners gave them money but the family didn’t collect it?
Lol
The foreigners weren’t financing the members of the Biden family?

Lololololololol
They have the bank records.
A whistleblower has come forward to validate the criminal activity.
That whistleblower stands to make a fortune themselves.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: MrInquisitive

I could show you a plethora of shady Biden dealings but I'm not going to waste my valuable time. If you were really so interested in the truth, you'd take the time to pursue it yourself. Obviously, you're not that interested. You don't see any wrongdoings because you don't want to see them. You refuse to connect the dot. Simple as that. I have zero trust for Ivanka, Jared and all the rest. It's easy for me to see quite a bit of dishonesty going on. Is any of it illegal? That depends on who's laws you're talking about. It's easy for them to skirt legalities written by the federal government. They do it all the time. You can get away with anything when you're a member of the protected class. Just because something isn't "illegal" by technical terms doesn't mean it's not corrupt.

.......let the House Oversight Committee investigate this matter more thoroughly and let the chips fall where they may.
.

What are your thoughts about the FBI basically saying 'Nope' to the request for documentation?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Erno86
Every family member that collected money has violated the FARA law.
Mr Biden sold out his grandchildren.

That's less traumatic for the grandchildren than pervert Joe climbing in the shower and diddling them, like he did with their mom.

a reply to: carewemust
That is gross.