Multiple Victims Reported in Texas Mall Mass Shooting

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: Whiskermegistus

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
So how come when a rightwing, cis-male shoots a bunch of people, nobody here makes anything of it, but when some leftwing trans person does, that's the main topic of conversation concerning the story? There are some major double standards here.

And I've yet to see a thread about the Texan (also apparently rightwing and cis-male) who plowed his Range Rover into a bunch of Venezuelan migrants at a bus stop, killing 9 and injuring at least 10 more.

You won’t find many members here that aren’t ultra conservative or right wing radicals.
Open thought or reasoning is usurped for political ideology & identity.
This site is full of right wing radicals.

So I've noticed... A bit of a right-wing/conspiracy echo chamber, if you will, around here these days. It wasn't nearly so bad a decade or so ago. I guess most of the sensible people gave up and left.

Ive been a member in & out since the very early 2000s here on ATS .
Alternative history , UFOS & occult things brought me to ATS years ago & around Obama’s two terms is when ATS became a right wing hive .

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: Whiskermegistus

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: infolurker

Now find out who gave him the guns( three letter alphabet agency) and who fabricated his online presence. White supremacist my ass.

Yet if the shooter had a computer filled with Antifa & BLM propaganda , you would buy that without blinking.
Double standards & hypocrisy is not cool .

BINGO!!!

Mmm, strong is the cognitive dissonance is around here.

Im not in any political party & seek reason above all things. Logic is my prime mover

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus
"guess who I am"

I will take "Single minded, narrow viewed individual for 500 please"


You are obviously so focused on being right you are not reading what I type.

I have never disagreed with you that AR15s have been used in the deadliest shootings. And yes, you are looking at the same shootings you have tried to link to several times, we know they exist, and we know that they were bad and the shooter used an AR.

But again, that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the gun used across the board, not just on the deadliest ones.

Your & others have presented handguns & fists as more deadly & that is only because of their prevalence in society.
The discussion is about the uselessness of AR15s & why they are MORE dangerous than 9mm handguns or fists.
You are now recanting in arguments like a Klein bottle. What is your inside or outside ?
We won’t know , because your logic is all over the place .
Adios sweetheart

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

False! We have never presented them as more deadly, they are used more. That does not make them more deadly.

Your opinion of the AR15 is about as useless as you say they are. And you are too stead fast in your head to hear anyone else's comments on the subject matter.

What am I recanting? Care to elaborate on that a little for me?
Everyone on this site knows where I stand on guns and ownership, I make no attempt to hide that

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: MrInquisitive

If you only look at topics that us "right-wing radicals" talk about, yes you are going to see a lot of right wing people. Just as though, if you only look up statistics you want to see, you will only see the numbers that follow that.

If you branch out and look across the board, you will see, yes a lot of right wing, but a lot of left wing or center viewing people.

I am interested in political topics, so yeah, I notice a lot of right-wing talk. But I am also aware, from past experience, that these same people can be friendly and helpful on other topic boards. And certainly in other topic boards there may be folk of a more liberal bent who just don't bother with the political discussions, but they're the exception in the political boards. Which is what I was referring to in reference to your statement that I responded to.

originally posted by: Whiskermegistus
[]Ive been a member in & out since the very early 2000s here on ATS ... Obama’s two terms is when ATS became a right wing hive .

I think you hit the nail on the head again there. Wonder why that was the case -- Not!

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus

False! We have never presented them as more deadly, they are used more. That does not make them more deadly.

Your opinion of the AR15 is about as useless as you say they are. And you are too stead fast in your head to hear anyone else's comments on the subject matter.

What am I recanting? Care to elaborate on that a little for me?
Everyone on this site knows where I stand on guns and ownership, I make no attempt to hide that

Im involved in the Civilian Marksman Program through our local rifle range as well shoot Palma at Perry .
Why can’t you admit that out of all the most deadly mass shooting in 20yrs the AR15/Assault Weapon has been the gun that has racked up the most bodies?
Did you read my sources ?
Your AR15 is an adult erector set for you & is your identity. Im sure you have 17 attachments on your AR15s , because Im sure any day now a small armed army is heading to your neighborhood lol lol
You are living in a fantasy world .
All the facts are on my side !
Prove me wrong

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

Congrats on being part of one of the easiest programs to get into, you're probably part of the NRA too aren't you? Card in your wallet and everything.

How many times do I have to tell you that nobody, including me, is telling you that is not true. Not one of us.

My AR is a functional tool that will be used to protect me and my own.

Think what you want of someone you know little about. But your responses, and lack of being able to read a response, tells me everything I need to know about you.

You do you boo boo
Graze on little sheep, graze on. Baa baa

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus

Congrats on being part of one of the easiest programs to get into, you're probably part of the NRA too aren't you? Card in your wallet and everything.

How many times do I have to tell you that nobody, including me, is telling you that is not true. Not one of us.

My AR is a functional tool that will be used to protect me and my own.

Think what you want of someone you know little about. But your responses, and lack of being able to read a response, tells me everything I need to know about you.

You do you boo boo
Graze on little sheep, graze on. Baa baa

See yah around pop tart.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

It might have something to do with the differing approaches to things from right and left.

I genuinely believe in live and let live. For the most part, I want people to do what they need to in order to be happy ... right up until they start impacting others with it. So, this new sexual identity and trans push with children is a bad thing. Let the kids be. Putting transgenders in women's sports? I have an actual dog in that fight as someone still competing myself. I know very well how much more physically adept a male body is, no matter how feminine it tries to be. It's not fair to the women. Stuff like that.

For someone who wants to simply live and pass? Sure. Whatever. You do you. I may have my private opinions on how likely that is to work out for you, but we all gotta do what we all gotta do.

Same with guns. The COTUS says we have a right to defend ourselves from anyone and everyone including government if need be. Guns are integral to that. I don't actually own one and hope I never need to, but I fiercely reserve that right to myself. No one can take it.

Now the left tends to think that if one of them finds the then "THIS IS THE WAY" and it suddenly applies to everyone and everyone must be saved in spite of themselves whether or not they want it.

The anger you see? That's those of us who neither need nor want you to "save" us. We're fine thanks. Leave us alone.

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

Finally got tired of your own circling argument and not reading responses to you, that address your questions?

Understandable. See ya snowflake

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus

Finally got tired of your own circling argument and not reading responses to you, that address your questions?

Understandable. See ya snowflake

You should really be cautious in who you call names .
There are crazy people on this site lol lol

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus

Finally got tired of your own circling argument and not reading responses to you, that address your questions?

Understandable. See ya snowflake

How is Ohio ?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MrInquisitive

It might have something to do with the differing approaches to things from right and left.

I genuinely believe in live and let live. For the most part, I want people to do what they need to in order to be happy ... right up until they start impacting others with it. So, this new sexual identity and trans push with children is a bad thing. Let the kids be. Putting transgenders in women's sports? I have an actual dog in that fight as someone still competing myself. I know very well how much more physically adept a male body is, no matter how feminine it tries to be. It's not fair to the women. Stuff like that.

For someone who wants to simply live and pass? Sure. Whatever. You do you. I may have my private opinions on how likely that is to work out for you, but we all gotta do what we all gotta do.

Same with guns. The COTUS says we have a right to defend ourselves from anyone and everyone including government if need be. Guns are integral to that. I don't actually own one and hope I never need to, but I fiercely reserve that right to myself. No one can take it.

Now the left tends to think that if one of them finds the then "THIS IS THE WAY" and it suddenly applies to everyone and everyone must be saved in spite of themselves whether or not they want it.

The anger you see? That's those of us who neither need nor want you to "save" us. We're fine thanks. Leave us alone.

I'm a live and let live kind of person as well. As such, I wish for school children, as well as everyone else, to be able to live without violence as much as possible. To this end, a ban on the most dangerous/lethal firearms, i.e. semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 and similar weapons, would help to prevent these mash shootings where sometimes hundreds of bullets are sprayed by the shooter, and a dozen or more people can be killed in a matter of several minutes. I and other liberal/progressive people aren't the only ones who want such restrictions on firearms. A Fox News poll from late April of this year found that 61% of Americans want an assault rifle ban (yes, the term is used loosely, but generally is accepted to mean what I defined above). Broken down by political party 84% of Democrats are in favor, and 36% of Republicans are in favor.

Further poll results:

In the Fox News poll, 87% of respondents said they favor requiring criminal background checks on everyone who wants to purchase a gun and 80% said they want mental health checks on gun buyers nationwide. Eighty percent said they want police to be able to take guns away from those who are considered a danger to themselves or others, a regulation known as red-flag laws.

A vast majority of those polled, 81%, said they wanted the age to legally buy a gun in the US to be raised from 18 to 21 years old.

Seventy-seven percent said they favor enforcing a 30-day waiting period for all gun purchases.

Half of those polled (51%) are "extremely or very concerned" that they or someone they love will be a victim of gun violence, including 44% who live in a home with a gun.

Fox News Poll

In a democratic republic such as the US, if 61% of the populace wants an assault rifle ban, and even higher percentages want other forms of improved gun control, it seems it should be made so. Otherwise you're supporting minority rule by a gun-toting minority.

And for the record, just because I have used the term "cis-male shooter" in this thread does not in anyway indicate my gender identity. I only use the term because there was a big thread about that recent trans-male shooter in Nashville, Tenn., and I thought it only made sense to use the term "cis-male shooter" in relation to this, to point out that the people who have thrown a hissy fit over the trans-male shooter don't show the same high dudgeon over the much more common male shooter. Frankly I hate the term "cis-male"; I prefer just plain male or biological male if it is really necessary to specify.

Also for the record, I have a big problem with all of this gender changing stuff for kids nowhere near puberty, and that the whole gender bending trend is just that, and based on very shaky scientific evidence at best. That'll probably shock a few people here, given my posts on trans-male vs. cis-male mass shooters, but that's how my "re-activation" programming rolls (inside joke, in this thread or elsewhere some poster who stalked my ATS status said I had been "re-activated" as I haven't posted since 2015).

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

All right, lets look at the argument you want to make.

Since the year 2000, there have been 21 mass shootings (where 10 or more people were killed, including the perp). Out of those 21, 6 of those were done with only an AR15. The other 16 were done with any combinations of weapons, including shotguns, and handguns.

Given those numbers, that means that, roughly, 25% of the mass shootings in the last 20 years have been done with an AR15. As to where only 1% of overall shootings in the US are done with an AR15.

HMM, I thought you said that AR15s are the deadliest gun to own?

What you have is called a prejudice. When you are looking at a subject with incredible prejudice, the only outcome of your argument will be what you want it to be. When you are of the, ridiculous, opinion that AR15s are useless and serve no purpose in society, then you will find anything and everything you can to prove that you are right.

As stated, nobody is saying that the "most deadly" mass shootings are not done by an AR15. You fail to recognize that the argument being made is that they are not eh most prevalent in shootings. This has never been a debate over effectiveness, you made it that way.

You claim to be an occultist who abstains from voting, yet your ideology is that of the left when it comes to 2A matters. You have said "give me a single stack CZ75 and a bolt action rifle and I will be just fine" (paraphrasing as you seem to have edited that response to something else now). You want to put a tax stamp on all firearms that don't fit your "standard" for what the average citizen should own, and even then your thoughts for that are so screwed up. In your book, suppressors are okay, SBRs are okay, but AR15s should be banned. How does that work?

When you want to have an actual debate/conversation about guns I will be here with facts to prove my point. But until then, have fun in your ivory tower, looking down at us "radical right wing MAGA extremists"

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Criminals don't follow laws, hence the term Criminal.

"87% of respondents said they favor requiring criminal background checks on everyone who wants to purchase a gun"
We already have those, and as stated before, when used correctly they work.

Banning semi-automatic firearms is only going to accomplish one thing, and that is taking them out of the hands of law abiding citizens that have the legal right to own them. They use them for protection, hunting, competition shootings, and just fun at the range. Why are we going to ban something that is used LEGALLY by 99% or more of the owners, just because of the few that decide to do harm.

Pulled from my reply to another memeber:
Since the year 2000, there have been 21 mass shootings (where 10 or more people were killed, including the perp). Out of those 21, 6 of those were done with only an AR15. The other 16 were done with any combinations of weapons, including shotguns, and handguns.

Given those numbers, that means that, roughly, 25% of the mass shootings in the last 20 years have been done with an AR15. As to where only 1% of overall shootings in the US are done with an AR15.


We don't ban cars because of drunk drivers, we don't ban baseball bats because someone gets their knee caps broken, we don't ban forks for making people fat. This has never been, and will never be, a gun problem.

I have said it before, and I will say it a million more times; This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Whiskermegistus

All right, lets look at the argument you want to make.

Since the year 2000, there have been 21 mass shootings (where 10 or more people were killed, including the perp). Out of those 21, 6 of those were done with only an AR15. The other 16 were done with any combinations of weapons, including shotguns, and handguns.

Given those numbers, that means that, roughly, 25% of the mass shootings in the last 20 years have been done with an AR15. As to where only 1% of overall shootings in the US are done with an AR15.

HMM, I thought you said that AR15s are the deadliest gun to own?

What you have is called a prejudice. When you are looking at a subject with incredible prejudice, the only outcome of your argument will be what you want it to be. When you are of the, ridiculous, opinion that AR15s are useless and serve no purpose in society, then you will find anything and everything you can to prove that you are right.

As stated, nobody is saying that the "most deadly" mass shootings are not done by an AR15. You fail to recognize that the argument being made is that they are not eh most prevalent in shootings. This has never been a debate over effectiveness, you made it that way.

You claim to be an occultist who abstains from voting, yet your ideology is that of the left when it comes to 2A matters. You have said "give me a single stack CZ75 and a bolt action rifle and I will be just fine" (paraphrasing as you seem to have edited that response to something else now). You want to put a tax stamp on all firearms that don't fit your "standard" for what the average citizen should own, and even then your thoughts for that are so screwed up. In your book, suppressors are okay, SBRs are okay, but AR15s should be banned. How does that work?

When you want to have an actual debate/conversation about guns I will be here with facts to prove my point. But until then, have fun in your ivory tower, looking down at us "radical right wing MAGA extremists"

The top most deadly mass shooting which means were a person takes a gun & kills many people. What can’t you understand about that ?
It is extremely simple.
Look up all the mass shootings in the past 20 years & look at the ones with the most amount of deaths & there you will find that the AR15 , AK47 or other semiautomatic assault rifle was used in them .
I won’t argue these facts with you at all .
Good luck

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

So then this list is false? A lot of those are done with a pistol.......



Either way, your prejudice is showing and you should probably get that looked at.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MrInquisitive

It might have something to do with the differing approaches to things from right and left.

I genuinely believe in live and let live. For the most part, I want people to do what they need to in order to be happy ... right up until they start impacting others with it. So, this new sexual identity and trans push with children is a bad thing. Let the kids be. Putting transgenders in women's sports? I have an actual dog in that fight as someone still competing myself. I know very well how much more physically adept a male body is, no matter how feminine it tries to be. It's not fair to the women. Stuff like that.

For someone who wants to simply live and pass? Sure. Whatever. You do you. I may have my private opinions on how likely that is to work out for you, but we all gotta do what we all gotta do.

Same with guns. The COTUS says we have a right to defend ourselves from anyone and everyone including government if need be. Guns are integral to that. I don't actually own one and hope I never need to, but I fiercely reserve that right to myself. No one can take it.

Now the left tends to think that if one of them finds the then "THIS IS THE WAY" and it suddenly applies to everyone and everyone must be saved in spite of themselves whether or not they want it.

The anger you see? That's those of us who neither need nor want you to "save" us. We're fine thanks. Leave us alone.

I'm a live and let live kind of person as well. As such, I wish for school children, as well as everyone else, to be able to live without violence as much as possible. To this end, a ban on the most dangerous/lethal firearms, i.e. semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 and similar weapons, would help to prevent these mash shootings where sometimes hundreds of bullets are sprayed by the shooter, and a dozen or more people can be killed in a matter of several minutes. I and other liberal/progressive people aren't the only ones who want such restrictions on firearms. A Fox News poll from late April of this year found that 61% of Americans want an assault rifle ban (yes, the term is used loosely, but generally is accepted to mean what I defined above). Broken down by political party 84% of Democrats are in favor, and 36% of Republicans are in favor.

Further poll results:

In the Fox News poll, 87% of respondents said they favor requiring criminal background checks on everyone who wants to purchase a gun and 80% said they want mental health checks on gun buyers nationwide. Eighty percent said they want police to be able to take guns away from those who are considered a danger to themselves or others, a regulation known as red-flag laws.

A vast majority of those polled, 81%, said they wanted the age to legally buy a gun in the US to be raised from 18 to 21 years old.

Seventy-seven percent said they favor enforcing a 30-day waiting period for all gun purchases.

Half of those polled (51%) are "extremely or very concerned" that they or someone they love will be a victim of gun violence, including 44% who live in a home with a gun.

Fox News Poll

In a democratic republic such as the US, if 61% of the populace wants an assault rifle ban, and even higher percentages want other forms of improved gun control, it seems it should be made so. Otherwise you're supporting minority rule by a gun-toting minority.

And for the record, just because I have used the term "cis-male shooter" in this thread does not in anyway indicate my gender identity. I only use the term because there was a big thread about that recent trans-male shooter in Nashville, Tenn., and I thought it only made sense to use the term "cis-male shooter" in relation to this, to point out that the people who have thrown a hissy fit over the trans-male shooter don't show the same high dudgeon over the much more common male shooter. Frankly I hate the term "cis-male"; I prefer just plain male or biological male if it is really necessary to specify.

Also for the record, I have a big problem with all of this gender changing stuff for kids nowhere near puberty, and that the whole gender bending trend is just that, and based on very shaky scientific evidence at best. That'll probably shock a few people here, given my posts on trans-male vs. cis-male mass shooters, but that's how my "re-activation" programming rolls (inside joke, in this thread or elsewhere some poster who stalked my ATS status said I had been "re-activated" as I haven't posted since 2015).

You are wasting your time , you are dealing with radicals here in this thread .
They all deny that the AR15 or other semiautomatic assault rifle types are the gun that has been responsible for the most death in mass shootings .
They seem to think that pistol have killed more in the top most deadliest mass shootings in the past 20 years . Just read PorkChops merry go round of words ?
The AR15 will be banned soon & good riddance.
Texas just put down a ruling to restrict buying AR15 or any large capacity semiautomatic rifles to 21 yr olds & above .
If Texas is becoming proactive against assault weapons , imagine the rest of the country.
Im a hunter , target bolt action shooter , single stack 1911 person . I know countless sportsmen who hate the AR15 because it’s useless outside of killing lost of people. The AR15 is also dragging the NRA down .
The AR15 is an identity crisis charm that predominantly disenfranchised white men believe makes them a man & thats the truth . No different than jacked up 4x4s that never go off road.

a reply to: Whiskermegistus

I really do feel sorry for you. You seem to have a very bad mental disorder that keeps your from reading the facts that have been given to you time and time again.

Nobody has denied anything you have said, plain and simple.

Carry on in whatever fantasy land you think you live in. Hopefully one day you can pull your head out of your own a$$ and see the world for what it is. Until then, graze on little sheep.