Florida passes bill allowing death penalty for child sexual abusers

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Killing children right up until birth and even after...is already the far left's cause celebre.
How far away can their condoning and promoting sex with children be?

You have a really sick, distorted, and incorrect view of the world.

Point out where I'm incorrect.

a reply to: KTemplar

I have seen what it did to them. The fear, ptsd, psychosis. It is equivalent to murder. I HATE pedos.

Indeed. Although for me, my fear, ptsd and psychosis was fed more by my own family's denial, shame and blame, that they projected on me, rather than deal with a beloved senior family member.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

"For the rape of a child".

Perhaps if it is a repeated offense, they can bypass the ruling. Multiples rapes, or multiple children.

In the meantime they ought to hand life sentences.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: IAMTAT

I don't know anything about his access to "other people's children". I just know that, as a victim, it would have compounded my trauma exponentially if he had been executed because of me. I had enough to deal without my beloved uncle's execution on my shoulders too.

So no trauma from the fact that he remained free to do the same thing to other children...perhaps MANY others?

Is that the plan, to guilt little kids into condoning the death of their mom's brother or uncle, who happens to be a beloved family member?

"Beloved family member"???
The pos raped you and your sister...and who knows how many other children.

Banning "Uncle Johnnie" from family gatherings as punishment...is like shooing the mad dog that bit your kid...into the school yard playground next door.

Mad dogs need to be put down...so they'll never hurt anyone else.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: KTemplar

I have seen what it did to them. The fear, ptsd, psychosis. It is equivalent to murder. I HATE pedos.

Indeed. Although for me, my fear, ptsd and psychosis was fed more by my own family's denial, shame and blame, that they projected on me, rather than deal with a beloved senior family member.

I’m so sorry you went through that! It is even more traumatic not to be believed 💙. I believe you!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You know, you'd THINK that'd be the case, but I've heard that, ironically, it's actually BETTER for them than for the REGULAR prisoners, bc they're a "protected class" due to this very problem - I met someone who just got out a few months ago and they said that the others stay far, far away from them, and don't even dare to look at 'em SIDEWAYS, bc all they have to do is say the word, and you've "threatened them" and YOU - not the child rapist - get into trouble.

From someone IN San Quentin:

Eric "Phil" Phillips
inmate San QuentinAuthor has 110 answers and 1.1M answer views10y
They are placed in protective custody because they are ostracized in prison. They cannot be placed in the general population; they would be in grave danger. It all has to do with taking advantage of a defenseless child. It’s terrible reprehensible to sexually abuse anyone, but to do it to children is much worse. I can’t say, though, that God can’t forgive them, because He still can love and forgive them too, if they ask. “Love the sinner, hate the sin,” Generally though, they have to go to protective custody since they would be seriously hurt or killed. Think about this. There are a lot of people in prison who have secretly been molested as kids, and their subsequent behavior, which led them to prison, is a result of acting out as a response to the intense shame of being violated. So doing harm to pedophiles in prison can also be “get back” for the psychological harm done to them as kids. Not to say that they don’t have the right to get help for their sickness, because it is a sickness; it has to be. If they are willing to seek help to stop and turn away from this illness, they should not be denied. That should go for all of us.

All communications between inmates and external channels are facilitated by approved volunteers since inmates do not have access to the internet. This program with Quora is part of The Last Mile San Quentin. Twitter: @TLM

a reply to: IAMTAT

Do you think just banning your pedo "Uncle Johnnie" from family gatherings actually prevented him from raping and molesting any other children?

Or...do you think the thought of his facing execution might have been a better deterrent towards saving other children from Uncle Johnnie?

Decades of research has failed to find any effective deterrent or permanent cure for pedophilia. It seems to be so ingrained that they cannot even help themselves. Their rates of depression and suicidal ideation are among the highest, especially after arrest/incarceration.

Pedophilia is a crime of opportunity, most often committed within the family (like murder and other types of assault). The most effective means of preventing sexual abuse of children is safeguarding by parents and other authorities. In other words, actually taking responsibility for the safety and wellbeing of their charges. Not putting children in vulnerable positions where there is an opportunity for pedophiles to offend. Killing the offender might make the parents feel better, but the child has still been abused.

An ounce of prevention is always worth a pound of "cure."

This is a good law, but remember, kids do make things up too. They get caught not coming home and start to make things up sometimes. So there has to be real good proof before taking this kind of action. We also have some people out there that try to badger people into saying things that are not actually true so they can gain recognition by framing someone for something they did not actually do. Kids are easily persuaded this way. Yes there is lots of real child abuse and child sexual abuse going on but there is also some of what I am saying going on too.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Personally, I also find it offensive that the rapist of a 11-year-old girl's rapist could be executed, but the 11-year-old girl, in some states, could be forced to carry and give birth to her rapist's spawn, should SCOTUS uphold this bill.

Do you want to talk about abortions or this...

I think there are a lot of heinous events that humans do that I see as worst than murder. What is interesting is I can kill someone and that is a heinous event, but Obama, as an example, can order the death of women and children and that is OK. When it comes to murder it is so grey, but the assault of a child is not grey...

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

Perhaps if it is a repeated offense, they can bypass the ruling. Multiples rapes, or multiple children.

In the meantime they ought to hand life sentences.

It seems prison isn't very fond of child molesters and so they kind of get the death penalty or worst anyways. Maybe the system is OK as it is...

originally posted by: rickymouse
This is a good law, but remember, kids do make things up too. They get caught not coming home and start to make things up sometimes. So there has to be real good proof before taking this kind of action. We also have some people out there that try to badger people into saying things that are not actually true so they can gain recognition by framing someone for something they did not actually do. Kids are easily persuaded this way. Yes there is lots of real child abuse and child sexual abuse going on but there is also some of what I am saying going on too.

I think we are talking about habitual offenders, people somehow make it through the legal cracks that at some point this would catch up to them.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Do you want to talk about abortions or this...

It's about the pretext of valuing life.

I think there are a lot of heinous events that humans do that I see as worst than murder.

That's why I think this law sits at the precipice of a slippery slope.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
It's about the pretext of valuing life.

So kind of like hanging you since your dad was a horse thief?

That's why I think this law sits at the precipice of a slippery slope.

Maybe not, if we allow the death penalty why not open up the gates more to allow it at least on the table of choice for other heinous events? As I said there are many worst things a person can do than murder.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So kind of like hanging you since your dad was a horse thief?

Is that what how you're going to convince little kids and their family members to turn in their abusive brothers, sons and uncles, by comparing their impending executions to those of horse thieves?

Maybe not, if we allow the death penalty why not open up the gates more to allow it at least on the table of choice for other heinous events?

Because that turns us into a hypocritical society where murder is the answer to societies woes.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Good.

As for the Constitutionality of it?

The Bill of Rights also says government will not censor, we have the right to bear arms, no taxation without representation,


I could go on.

It's not like the Constitution means dick to people any longer.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Is that what how you're going to convince little kids and their family members to turn in their abusive brothers, sons and uncles, by comparing their impending executions to those of horse thieves?

You said "pretext of valuing life"... So I guess you set the rules then...

Because that turns us into a hypocritical society where murder is the answer to societies woes.

What is more hypocritical... I kill you and get the death penalty or I torture you for years and mutilate you beyond recognition and that isn't the death penalty.

a reply to: Boadicea


You are right about it not being curable, but preventing can be hard. Especially if you share custody of a child. I have found in both the cases I know.

There were red flags with the perps and always ignored. One guy had a boss go to his parents and warn them about the guys anger issues, told them flat out he needed a psychiatrist.

What did they do, get him a new job with other friends. Who knows how many other children he abused. They were more worried about their reputations than anything. Even I didn’t think he was capable of what he did. He also misfigured a police officer later on and got 13 years in prison. Mommy pulled some strings because he wrote a nice letter to her saying he’d changed. He blamed it on Meth use of course. She brought him home and he started using straight away and threatened to kill himself. Wish he would have!

The other one was college educated, put on an impressive show of kindness, but there was a story of a teen who swam off the island to escape him. Yet people chose to believe the perp.

Both monsters preyed on single women and a very small window of opportunity.

I also have relatives who were raped in foster care step brothers and sisters. One brother spent most of his life in jail for murder. He is actually a very good person who was abused as a very young child and got no help!

Trust no one with your children but yourself, especially if there are any drugs involved!

What do mothers do when there is shared custody?

a reply to: Xtrozero

What is more hypocritical... I kill you and get the death penalty or I torture you for years and mutilate you beyond recognition and that isn't the death penalty.

Perhaps a humane death is too easy.

I've seen one or two comments saying that the courts will toss this out and Ron de will wash his hands of it, blame liberals and call it a day, etc etc, politics as per politics which could be. I've also seen something about gritting one's teeth while trying to forgive, etc.

Here's a little something that is kind of a catch 22 that could turn out to be an unfortunate sitch.

All this fear and anger gets ratcheted up and nothing happens which kind of turns the thing into another led bullet for lunch. The "vaunted pedo" whatever that is, becomes a sacred object that one has to forgive and bite the bullet.


The problem is that the system itself requires another law. People haven't actually had their *hands* on the punishment of an offender and so the energy gets backed up and the natural sense of "one offends and receives due recompense" is just put on hold through courts and sanitary justice.


It's an issue. But being that I also believe in due process of law, it's one that's just kind of a puzzle that I have no answer for. One referred to prison justice and guards looking the other way and people being none to keen on looking into it further. I think that's the closest to tribal justice we will get. ..

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The little kids won't have anything to say in the matter.

That will be, as it should be, up to the courts--judge and jury.

My own family has suffered this crime. My niece, and nephew, were sexually abused by their father for several years, as was he in turn by his father--his mother was his fathers daughter...

This sort of stuff can be, and is, generational. The above nephew died in prison for the very same offense--his daughter...

In many, if not most, cases the perpetrator will not stop, until he--and it's usually a he--is stopped, one way or another.

A death sentence carried out, after the appeals process has run its course, doesn't stop other predators, but it will stop that one. Slip a needle in its arm, and start him off on his journey to whatever awaits.