16 Year Old Honor Student Shot Twice For Ringing Doorbell

a reply to: JinMI

I guess living here and having had a reasonable degree of interaction with the family like I have, I'm of a different mind. Unless things have changed quite a bit over COVID, nothing in the story as told is wildly out of plausibility. The only thing is the media rush to paint it all racist.

a reply to: ketsuko

Indeed.

Likely a massive tragedy.


Ben Crump is representing the family so my mind now goes there too unfortunately.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JinMI

I guess living here and having had a reasonable degree of interaction with the family like I have, I'm of a different mind. Unless things have changed quite a bit over COVID, nothing in the story as told is wildly out of plausibility. The only thing is the media rush to paint it all racist.

I sort of agree with you.
If it was racist, it was a form of unconscious bias and not overt.
What I mean is if a white kid and this black kid, all other things being equal, performed identical actions.
I honestly think the white kid would not have set off the same reactions.
That this man had been conditioned over a lifetime to trust some “types” more than others.

a reply to: spacedoubt

Like these stories?

At least one of these stories is near the perfect inverse. The only difference is that it does not have the national attention because who cares if a black man yells I'll kill you at a little white girl in his yard and shoots at her and her father and then the whole family as they run off? Apparently, next to no one, but it happened. She went to retrieve a ball that went into his yard, btw.

And you cannot claim that the racial climate for some blacks has not conditioned them to be suspicious of and think of whites as oppressors to be hated.

Rumor has it the kid addressed the old man as sir.
It was then the old man let him have it while exclaiming,
"It's ma'am,
Call me ma'am" pew...pew...

It is just a rumor though and the fact I may have started it is irrelevant to whether he answered the door in curlers and hairnet.
I think you and I are getting info from the same sources

originally posted by: SirHardHarry

originally posted by: spacedoubt
We used to say
“Who’s there?”

And I’ve knocked on screen doors, opened them to knock on the entry door etc.

I was quite the young greeting card and garden seed salesman as a kid. Door to door.

They either answered, or they didn’t.
I don’t recall any old farts coming to door with a gun.

At least he was charged. There will be a trial.

If he’s guilty, 20 years. Even 2 years for that guy is a life sentence.

But, but, I was defending my palace, they say. From violence intruders, they say. I wuz skeered, they say...

Without even trying to understand the situation.

These people, and those who justify their behavior, are cowards .

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: LSU2018

If we are being honest, even Kyle didn't get a fair trial.


Luckily, enough facts were allowed to convince the jury that it was indeed self defense and that the states witness flubbed horribly.

This media frenzy of deciding guilt based on nothing is very troubling to anyone who prefers justice over mobs.

You're right, I guess "fair" wasn't the term I needed to use. But Kyle wasn't charged like the others after the loonies showed up.

a reply to: matafuchs

Guarantee you his lawyers are making sure he has his story right so they can blame all of this on race.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LSU2018

It's been done around here, and I've done it once or twice. It might be a regional or neighborhood thing, but you get better sound knocking on the interior door if you think they might not have heard the bell or it didn't work.

Perhaps. If I don't get an answer a minute or two after knocking twice, I walk away and call. I've done that since the 90's when we didn't even have cell phones.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LSU2018

It depends on the situation and the day. For one thing, no one had school on Friday last week. So it was like they were over on a Friday night even though it was Thursday. In fact, our own kiddo was out at a friend's a bit past 10 that night as well. Are we bad parents? Yarl's siblings are 10; our's is 12. It's not that big a difference in age.

I didn't say it made them bad parents, and I don't think you're a bad parent. I said I don't think it's very responsible to let your child stay at a friend's house that long if they're not spending the night. If the parents are really close friends of the family then sure, that's a different story. I feel like, if you weren't close to the parents of the friend then you're burdening them with kids that young.

Odd that the use of cell phones hasn't been addressed.
If I went to pickup my siblings and I was 16, and they told me they would be outside waiting for me.
I would use the phone and stay in the car.
I do a lot of deliveries and in this modern era knocking on doors is not common for anyone who has a cell phone.
a reply to: LSU2018

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
Odd that the use of cell phones hasn't been addressed.
If I went to pickup my siblings and I was 16, and they told me they would be outside waiting for me.
I would use the phone and stay in the car.
I do a lot of deliveries and in this modern era knocking on doors is not common for anyone who has a cell phone.
a reply to: LSU2018

According to one of the several stories, he forgot his phone. If that was me in his shoes, I'm going back for my phone or back to my house to call or have my mom call. I speak from experience.

For REAL,
I just had a cop knock at my door,
He wasn't dress in uniform but in random khaki wear.
He was giving a heads up that they were doing
training in the area.
Maybe when he opened the screen door,
and knocked at the main door I should
have just shot him twice ???
btw he was black and well built, bigger than
this 16 yr old.
Maybe the next car that drives into my driveway,
I'll just shoot pew pew too ????
U.S. has gone over the cliff bananas !!!


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originally posted by: Nevercompromise[/post]

Rumor has it the kid addressed the old man as sir.
It was then the old man let him have it while exclaiming,
"It's ma'am,
Call me ma'am" pew...pew...

That's pretty well what
it has come down to.
Pathetically sad.
U.S. has gone over the cliff bananas


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After charges were announced against Mr. Lester on Monday, Ben Crump and Mr. Merritt, lawyers representing the victim’s family, said in a statement that gun violence against unarmed Black individuals must stop. “Our children should feel safe, not as though they are being hunted,” they said.

“While this is certainly a step in the right direction, we will continue to fight for Ralph while he works toward a full recovery.”

Then why are they not in Chicago? Or Baltimore? or St Louis? Philadelphia? New York? Georgia? Where dozens of innocent blacks kids and adults are shot on a weekly basis? That is the issue. Not some old man who got scared and popped a few rounds off. It is an accident. The old man did not hunt this kid down. It also sounds like the original story of him shooting him and then going outside and shooting him again while down is also incorrect.

If I was the parent I would blame whoever took him there. Put him in that situation. I would be just as pissed at them as well as the person who shot my child but this is not about racism.

And the driver of the car they came in had no cell phone?

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
Odd that the use of cell phones hasn't been addressed.
If I went to pickup my siblings and I was 16, and they told me they would be outside waiting for me.
I would use the phone and stay in the car.
I do a lot of deliveries and in this modern era knocking on doors is not common for anyone who has a cell phone.
a reply to: LSU2018

According to one of the several stories, he forgot his phone. If that was me in his shoes, I'm going back for my phone or back to my house to call or have my mom call. I speak from experience.

originally posted by: matafuchs[/post]
I would blame whoever took him there.

Or anyone else who innocently was at the door ?????
you are not thinking straight.
Maybe there should be a law against ringing doorbells,
and knocking on doors ???? *sarcasm*
U.S. has gone over the cliff bananas

You own a gun you need to be responsible for it.
If not you should NOT own guns period.
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
Odd that the use of cell phones hasn't been addressed.
If I went to pickup my siblings and I was 16, and they told me they would be outside waiting for me.
I would use the phone and stay in the car.
I do a lot of deliveries and in this modern era knocking on doors is not common for anyone who has a cell phone.
a reply to: LSU2018

According to one of the several stories, he forgot his phone. If that was me in his shoes, I'm going back for my phone or back to my house to call or have my mom call. I speak from experience.

Details matter.

How did he know the address he was looking for if this is the 1st time going there?
Wrote it on a piece of paper or sent mms to his cellphone?

A 16 y.o. kid forgetting his cell phone and not needing it for this errand is the most implausible part of this for me considering it being after dark and so late.
Looking for a house full of kids but being dark and nobody outside, as expected the same.
Old man houses and yards look different than houses with kids.
And if the 2 kids being picked up were supposed to be waiting outside for pickup then that implies very recent cell phone interaction between home and friends house.

10:30 is late for old people.
This house had no visible activity.

Depending on purpose the 2 houses have different looks and appearances certainly.
I can drive down most suburban neighborhoods and easily point out where kids live.
And just as easily point out old people's and vulnerable residences if I was staking out targets for home invasion.

When I was a kid I knew where I could ring doorbells at night and run away for giggles.
I knew where kids lived too.
Sure is a lot of happenstance in this.

I am glad the kid is recovering though.
At best this kid is very naive and unaware of the BLM hoopla we have all recently experienced.

Certainly we can see photos of the residence since doxxing this type of info goes right along with crowds gathering in front of the old man's house "protesting".
Especially considering the lawyer hired

originally posted by: ToneDeaf

originally posted by: matafuchs[/post]
I would blame whoever took him there.

U.S. has gone over the cliff bananas

Yep. Built by oBama, extended by Biden.

a reply to: Nevercompromise

It's not implausible. You tell the kid the address is 115 terrace or street. From reports he is taking advance classes. Think remembering that would not be too terrible, although as we see, he either didn't remember st or terrace or got confused which one he was on.

It was later in the evening but not 10:30. Cops arrived at about 9:50.

And in regard to the other post. It's reported the kid went to get his brothers. No one is claiming he was driven there.

And my 19 year old just left her phone the other day when she went out to dinner with her boyfriend and I recently forgot mine when visiting my parents. It happens. If I realize it when I'm closer to my destination than home, I don't go back for it.

Ok since you were the 1st person in this thread to claim it happened after 10:00 p.m. can we assume your info is inadequate, incomplete and irrelevant and you just have no idea of what the facts actually are?

So far the conclusions I am drawing is this is a psyop for gun control and becoming a false flag type operation.
The very cal parade with no tears when crying is a good clue.
I gave this time for facts to come out but facts are changing as fast as questions are being asked

I am thinking from the parents pov in regards to transferring the info.
Why write it down?
Certainly all of it was done with text for both ease and accuracy.

And I thought the same about the car and being driven there at first since all the articles and comments did not address it.
It was pointed out to me a neighbor witnessed a car driving into the driveway.
And I thought the timeline was established of the incidence occuring after 10:00 p.m.

a reply to: frogs453