Its late you know what it is, 20 injured at a teens party Dadeville Al

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: putnam6

If it's not the vast majority, I think we'd know it.

There are millions of guns out there, given that fact, if most--or the vast majority--weren't in the hands of responsible people...we'd know it.

I live in Alabama, and everyone I know, has at least one firearm in the house, some of us more. So, I feel safe in assuming that it is a vast majority, and the same elsewhere, as well.

Respectfully I don't know which quote of mine you are referring to. Im not besmirching Alabama at all.

Ive traveled all over Alabama from Mobile to Muscle Shoals, Dothan on both sides of the tracks worked with all races colors, and creeds, and never felt unsafe anywhere. There are a few sketchy places in Birmingham and a few in Montgomery and Mobile, and definitely Phenix City. It isn't anything like Atlanta, Miami, or Richmond, though.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Boadicea

So, you automatically assume that they're, the kids, are going to misuse a gun??

As I posted above, I had one from a very young age. Not once did I misuse it, or even contemplate doing so.

Why, you ask? Because I was taught properly. As are the vast majority of kids who receive pistols, rifles, and shotguns. By 14, I had all three.

I got my hunting license at 12, same time I got my first semi-auto .22 and the next year I got a 20 Gauge Single Shot. Had to be accopanied by the Ole Man until we turned 16, then we could go on our own.

Same as many of my friends growing up.

Guns aren't the problem, people and their mental issues and irresponsibility are the problem.

Yep at my suburban high school in the early 80s, during hunting season there would routinely be groups getting together to go hunting, cars and trucks with guns, rifles, and ammo in senior and junior parking lots. And it was a mixed bag of races and cultures too, and in the mid to late 70s, we had a few racial dustups, but it was nothing but fighting, and it eventually settled down.

It was because most kids knew their parents would beat their azzes if they did anything stupid, back then you respected your parents, hell sometimes feared them. I know all my friends and acquaintances did. We lost that and Im not sure how we get it back, but a part of it is because some latchkey kids make chitty parents throw in the proliferation of pharmaceuticals when little Johnnie is misbehaving kids coping skills come in a bottle of pills or alcohol, a blunt or a vape

Remember all the gun racks over the back windows of trucks? Lol, almost all of us or our dad's had them back in the day, parked at the school, no problem, lol.

Fear of God, and if you weren't dead it was fear of Parents. One or the other kept us in line, lmao.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Would it be white on white ?

It's not on MSNBC.com which means its probably a Black-on-Black act of mass violence. You'd think MSNBC was owned by Al Sharpton.

If one hears or reads about an occurrence or situation like this and then reaches "certain conclusions" about the ... let's say demographics... of those involved, and those "certain conclusions" turn out to be accurate, then say this happens repeatedly over an extended period of time spanning several occurrences, does make one ... let's say ... a "stereotypist."

Or does it make one a realist with simple common sense?
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a reply to: MykeNukem

A friend at my high school brought his shotgun to school in his truck and left it all day in the parking lot so he could directly go hunting after school let out.

Same friend recently owned a business in a small town, open carried when he went to make bank deposits. Bank manager asked him to cover the pistol with his shirt tail or a coat while in the bank so as not to worry some of the other less hearty customers.

originally posted by: incoserv
If one hears or reads about an occurrence or situation like this and then reaches "certain conclusions" about the ... let's say demographics... of those involved, and those "certain conclusions" turn out to be accurate, then say this happens repeatedly over an extended period of time spanning several occurrences, does make one ... let's say ... a "stereotypist."

I think it may be stereotypical of the area. But not stereotypical of the people.

I live in the backwoods, in the middle of what used to be “Redneck Country”. We are being citified and the demographics are changing rapidly. We had our share of Florida Man, hold my beer types, and were known to be that kind of place, but the trouble makers, and idiots, made up less than 1% of our numbers. Of course that didn’t mean anything to folks that don’t live here, they wrapped us all up in their bigoted ideas of who and what we were and were not.

So yeah, the area had a bad reputation and when you add up the number of folk doing the crimes, nearly 100% of the times it was the same people, but in the minds of those on the outside, it always added up to 100% of the folk that lived out here.

Okay. Not 100%. Most of the time 99.9% of the people, because they always throw in “most, not all”.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I realize that not everyone of a demographic can be painted with the same brush, but there are, undeniably, subsets.

Not exactly what one would normally call a thug is it ATS?, he was an honor student bound for Jacksonville State. Now we need to know who did this and why.


www.al.com...

Dadeville football player bound for Jacksonville State killed at sister’s birthday party, the pastor says

When veteran coach Roger McDowell took over the football program at Dadeville High School three years ago, he had the clear attention of at least one student-athlete.

Philstavious Dowdell.

“In that first meeting, I didn’t know any of the kids because everyone had been sent home for COVID,” McDowell told AL.com on Sunday. “There was one kid sitting in the front row who never took his eyes off me the entire time. It was Phil Dowdell.

“As good a football, basketball and track athlete as he was, he was just as good a person. He always worked hard, was humble .. all the time. He hung on every word the coaches gave him. Whatever you told him, he trusted it and did everything you asked him to do.”

Dowdell, a senior at Dadeville High School committed to play college football at Jacksonville State, was one of at least four people killed in a shooting at a birthday party in Dadeville on Saturday night. More than 20 were injured, according to multiple reports. A prayer vigil is scheduled for 5 p.m. at Dadeville Baptist Church, according to McDowell.

On April 8, Dowdell posted on Facebook, “Everyday my life go up & up, it’s hard for me to get mad”

Annette Allen was quoted by NPR as saying the event was the 16th birthday party for her granddaughter Alexis. Allen said her daughter was wounded and sent to an area hospital.

“I love you Bestie and I know you going to enjoy your day,” Allen stated on Facebook, hours before the shooting.

Michael Taylor, assistant coach in football, basketball and track at Dadeville High, was on the scene this morning.

He said Dowdell, a slot receiver, was one of the best football players in the state. He was also an honor student who played basketball and won state honors in track in 2022.

According to the Alexander City Outlook, on Friday at the Troy Invitational, Dowdell placed first in the 100 dash and second in the 200 dash.

originally posted by: Boadicea

It definitely comes down to crappy parenting. And crappy parents don't teach their kids properly. This is exactly why I think parents who give their kids firearms should be charged with any crime committed by that firearm.

Those parents might not care if the kid gets in trouble... they might care more if they get in trouble.

Parents that give their kids guns also need to not let the kids have access to the guns unless the parent knows the situation and is typically there too. I wouldn't let my kids just take their guns out and go shooting, I would be... I'm coming too... And they never knew the combo to my safe... never.

I have zero problems with charging parents with child endangerment when warranted.

a reply to: putnam6

The sad thing is that when it comes to gangs, it doesn't always have to be you. It can just be the people you hang with, and then you catch a bullet. Guilt by association at its most lethal.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Parents that give their kids guns also need to not let the kids have access to the guns unless the parent knows the situation and is typically there too. I wouldn't let my kids just take their guns out and go shooting, I would be... I'm coming too... And they never knew the combo to my safe... never.

Yes, definitely -- and good point.

I have zero problems with charging parents with child endangerment when warranted.

I would expect all responsible parents to agree... because they understand it's a responsibility.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: putnam6

The sad thing is that when it comes to gangs, it doesn't always have to be you. It can just be the people you hang with, and then you catch a bullet. Guilt by association at its most lethal.

It's scary as hell, and I know why our default mode is so judgemental, hell I mentioned it was a couple of thugs, but so far none of the victims should be classified as anything but normal teenagers if not exemplary ones

In a town of 3000 people, it's hard not to be associated to everyone

Small town everybody knew everybody, over 50 kids were supposedly there. I knew all those kids of questionable character in my high school and they knew me. We didn't hang but we crossed paths all the time, like at parties and the Friday night hang-out spots.

The point is it's damn hard to be a thug and a 3 sport athlete and get a scholarship to Jacksonville State. Sounds like another victim was an athletic trainer she was a star player on the softball team.

FAWK the suspect might not have even been invited to the party, and was just hanging in the parking lot, they got into an argument in the parking lot, as per reports. People proceeded to go back inside and whoever they were arguing with followed them and started shooting. It doesn't take much these days to set people off BTW.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

So yeah, the area had a bad reputation and when you add up the number of folk doing the crimes, nearly 100% of the times it was the same people, but in the minds of those on the outside, it always added up to 100% of the folk that lived out here.

I've read much the same about gang violence and that when broken down by race/ethnicity, it's a handful of folks committing multiple crimes rather than multiple people committing one crime.

At one time White (usually motorcycle gangs) were the worst, with Mexican and Black gangs catching up or surpassing the motorcycle gangs in many urban areas. The actual numbers varied widely by region. For example, far more Mexican gang activity in the southwest, as one would expect.

Again this doesn't look like gang-on-gang violence, Dadeville's crime stats lead toward theft if anything

Crime rate in Dadeville, AL The 2020 crime rate in Dadeville, AL is 164 (City-Data.com crime index), which is 1.6 times lower than the U.S. average. It was higher than in 67.7% U.S. cities. The 2020 Dadeville crime rate fell by 24% compared to 2019. In the last 5 years Dadeville has seen decreasing violent crime and decline of property crime.

Read more: www.city-data.com...

originally posted by: Boadicea
I would expect all responsible parents to agree... because they understand it's a responsibility.

But, I don't think it is an issue with parents giving their kids guns. It is the parents not controlling access to guns and not giving a crap what their kids are doing any given day. Kids just taking their dad's guns out to the forest to shoot them is an example, or guns just laying around the house loaded. The old saying great power requires great responsibility.

The deal is we have the laws already, just need to push them so that parents know what is coming if they are not responsible, but even with that many people still don't care.

11 year-old shooting a 3 year-old...

The 11-year-old was charged as a juvenile with manslaughter and felony firearm. A judge in the county’s juvenile court system has since granted a request for a competency exam to determine if the boy is fit to stand trial. The child’s parents and his attorney could not be reached for comment, despite several attempts.

The father was also criminally charged on Monday, on counts of involuntary manslaughter, second-degree child abuse, felony firearm and weapons.

originally posted by: putnam6

Dadeville football player bound for Jacksonville State killed at sister’s birthday party, the pastor says...

Again this doesn't look like gang-on-gang violence, Dadeville's crime stats lead toward theft if anything

This is said over and over with nothing about the suspect or motive. Whoever did this had the gun(s) there before the argument and it seems it ended, and people went back inside.

a reply to: putnam6

Ayup. My grad class was about 150. We had a similar deal. Everyone at least recognized everyone else and all the cliques knew who was who and what clique you were in ... assuming you fit in one.

We just didn't tend to have massive parties like this. Sure occasionally one clique or another would have a party, but it wasn't a massive event.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: putnam6

The sad thing is that when it comes to gangs, it doesn't always have to be you. It can just be the people you hang with, and then you catch a bullet. Guilt by association at its most lethal.

It's scary as hell, and I know why our default mode is so judgemental, hell I mentioned it was a couple of thugs, but so far none of the victims should be classified as anything but normal teenagers if not exemplary ones

Like the train derailments, who knows what's going on. What a tragedy.

a reply to: Xtrozero

But, I don't think it is an issue with parents giving their kids guns. It is the parents not controlling access to guns and not giving a crap what their kids are doing any given day.

Maybe I need to define my terms. When I say parents who give their child firearms, I am referring to parents who do not control access. The child would have unrestricted access to his/her firearms.

Minors should always be supervised with firearms. For many reasons, often for their own benefit.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: putnam6

If it's not the vast majority, I think we'd know it.

There are millions of guns out there, given that fact, if most--or the vast majority--weren't in the hands of responsible people...we'd know it.

I live in Alabama, and everyone I know, has at least one firearm in the house, some of us more. So, I feel safe in assuming that it is a vast majority, and the same elsewhere, as well.

Respectfully I don't know which quote of mine you are referring to. Im not besmirching Alabama at all.

Ive traveled all over Alabama from Mobile to Muscle Shoals, Dothan on both sides of the tracks worked with all races colors, and creeds, and never felt unsafe anywhere. There are a few sketchy places in Birmingham and a few in Montgomery and Mobile, and definitely Phenix City. It isn't anything like Atlanta, Miami, or Richmond, though.

It's not often I see my hometown get a shoutout, Phenix City isn't that bad, although it has gotten a LOT worse over the last couple of years.

I personally feel like it is bleed-over from across the river, Columbus is BAD.

To add another source, Colin is a young man that started off just making Facebook posts about what's going on around the area. Now he is a full-blown independent news source for the area. Here is a link to his article, lots of ads. Afterall, he is independent.

Colin Scroggins CNAW

I think part of the problem is "lead by example". Someone does something terrible, it is heavily reported. Publicly argued about in every news source. Someone with "intrusive" thoughts that would normally be taught better by parents, faith, or both sees it and thinks "I should that too!"

Then they do.

Everyone is so concerned with being right, raising their ratings, profits, or getting famous. Everything is sensationalized packaged and sold to us in every format we consume it in and it encourages more of it.

The violence and lack of respect is glorified in every form of media and I find it sickening.

Anyway, end of rant.