The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

The author has manipulated this whole thing. They have altered the scriptures, they have altered the definition of words, they have altered the history they quoted, and have not actually addressed anything any further than the OP itself. Which is closed out by saying they aren't here to discuss this, but to force this down our throats. All while playing the victim here.
Propaganda 101
Manipulation 101

The author doesn't even believe in any of what they are saying. They don't even believe Jesus existed, but have told all Christians how they are going to hell for not being commies.
Sounds like a recruiter of sorts.
I wonder if the author has been recruited to do this.
If not they're simply a dark triad personality. They don't need to actually be "right" as long as they can disrupt. Notice the author hasn't done anything to really back any of it up other than their opinion. The plan was never to prove this claim. Just to confuse those who aren't as Bible knowledged and attack those of faith.
This person clearly covets those who have found peace joy mercy and even charity.
The author isn't capable of those things, and so they covet anyone who actually has a heart and can actually feel things like compassion, remorse and love. Unfortunately ppl like this feel so unloved the only bits of joy they get is in crap like this.

It's sad and I feel sorry for you, ltrz2025. I know you're a very lonely person.
Like you've said tho, you can believe whatever you want. Doesn't change a thing for me or anyone but yourself.

I think it's wise to knock the dust of some sandals and move forward.
This has been the most disgusting display of ignorance and twisting of facts I've seen here on ATS.

Why argue with fools?

a reply to: Terpene

gREEEEEEEd!
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a reply to: AOx6179

Those here aren't out for the OP but for others the OP might be in danger of influencing.

The prosperity gospel disgusts, but so does liberation theology.

originally posted by: ltrz2025
a reply to: CriticalStinker

A true Christian who lives by the law would consider your point of view completely heretic and even Satanic, since you are relativizing/questioning the word of Bible, which is the core of the faith.

The fragments of the Bible that I've shared are quite clear and literal in all the languages that you can find around. The fact that you are trying to relativize the law with your "personal opinion" (which is about doubting the Bible), makes you an apostate, sorry bro. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but if you are a true Christian, you have to.

Ahem. What covenant does that fit under? The OT covenant was specifically for Gods people AKA hebrews/jews. They had laws specific to them. the NT covenant is for actual christians. The catholic church has mixed people up by not teaching the bible is 2 seperate books in one and each book is specified to a specific people.
Jesus fulfilled the OT covenant and then the NT covenant was born for the christians,and for his chosen people if they desired to follow it.

The NT covenant is much easier to follow and is based on GRACE not works. works include things such as giving all of ones wealth away to the poor. Jesus wants us to be charitable,but he also knows we have to also take care of ourselves and our families. Give to charity on a local level for the most good btw,but not because of obligation,but because you honestly feel a need.
Treat others as you would yourself,love God,and jesus,and try to not sin. Jesus in his time was not a communist. he never used force to redistribute anything. Communist MAKE people share.Jesus followers WANTED to share without being forced or told to.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: ltrz2025

A true Christian who lives by the law would consider your point of view completely heretic and even Satanic, since you are relativizing/questioning the word of Bible.

A bit off topic, but do you believe that the only true Christians are those who take all of Scripture literally? Would Jesus himself qualify as a Christian under that rule? I seem to recall him interpreting the Ten Commandments somewhat freely.

Well, the issue is that the religious scripture (for all religions) is the only thing that the believer has as the "word/law of God" to achieve salvation, other than that it's just their "personal interpretation", not of God. It's not my opinion or my belief, it's simply how it works: you follow God's laws and you go to heaven. Or you don't follow it, and you go to hell.

Then, I see what you say about Jesus, Christianity "solved" that problem by making Jesus their new God.

originally posted by: Anomin
a reply to: ltrz2025

How about the riches paying more taxes in which has a trickle down effect to afford to help those in needs and that's how partly our welfare system works.

And there are occasionally some people who'd given up all their fortunes after retiring.

Are they all communists?

I explained it several times in the thread, but the short answer is no. To be a communist, you need to reject private property as an individual, it's a classless society. The wealth (the means of production) need to belong to the entire community, from which everyone lives and gives to.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
one of the things i noticed is the OP doesn't seem to be able to understand when Yehshua / Jesus was speaking metaphorically and a mater of fact, 80 to 90% of his teaching were done as metaphors.

By saying this, you are relativizing your God's message. It's the famous religious apologist resource: god is literal only in the places I like him to be literal, if I don't like it, then he is metaphorical. Several others have used the same clutch during the conversation in this thread. Relativizing God's law is denying it, sorry, but that makes you a Christian apostate.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
the OP also doesn't seem to understand, is the reaction of people that hear the word or witness miracles. like when he quoted Acts. nothing in those chapters he quoted are words of Yehshua / Jesus. Acts was written by Luke, as a record of the Acts of the Apostles. most of the reactions should be attributed to the Holy Spirit who is a distinct person of the trinity whether you subscribe to that or not. which more than likely was done to get followers to spread the word

For what I can read, you are rejecting the truth in Acts (because nothing there is quoted from Jesus) and claim that this was written this way to get followers to spread the word. I hope you realize that you've just claimed that the bible is lying with the purpose of gaining adepts. Do I really need to explain why does this constitute apostasy?

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
one last thing, the OP admitted that he is basically a troll in a post to another member a few post back. Please don't feed the trolls any more.

I did no such thing, seems like lying is strong in your my friend. Funny how you ask others to "not feed the troll", after you wrote me a mile long post. Isn't that called hypocrisy? Anyway, I didn't expect anything different, that's how cognitive dissonance and apostasy work.

Much love

a reply to: ltrz2025

And there is another error in your thinking.

You just described collective salvation - unless all are saved, none can be saved.

The poster above described those who give it all up, and you said they don't count. So there has to be a collective. This is not salvation one obtains alone, and that is very much counter to what Christ taught.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ltrz2025

but Jesus didn't work as communists would work, he didn't dedicate his labour to any state which then divided the wealth derived from his labour or resources equally among citizens of the state.

his work was that of preaching the will of god

he didn't give his belongings to a state to manage , he simply gave them up as an example to others that earthly possessions are not required to enter the kingdom of heaven

whats with the desire to attach Jesus to communism ?
what are you trying to achieve ?

worshiping false idols is akin to worshiping Ideologies

I explained that when I use the word communism I'm referring to the economical phenomena of a classless society where there is no private property, but everything belongs to the commune. Which is how Jesus and his followers lived, according to Acts. You understand "communism" as the 20th century political form, like the Soviet Union, or Cuba, which is not real "communism", as they are/were caste systems, where the higher in the State pyramid you were, the more privileges you had access to. I was not referring to the Soviet Union State, but to the way that Jesus and his community lived according to the bible: with no private property, by sharing all they produced, with no classes.

Then Jesus WAS God. Why would he live differently than what he preached? And what he preached, as explained in my OP, can be easily observed in Matthew 19:21.

Then, one way you can see it: my objective here is to protect Christianity from apostasy.

No idea what false idols or ideologies you are talking about. I don't worship neither things.

a reply to: ltrz2025

No one cares about Christians more than those who aren't. So ironic.

a reply to: ltrz2025

you follow God's laws and you go to heaven. Or you don't follow it, and you go to hell.

Then, I see what you say about Jesus, Christianity "solved" that problem by making Jesus their new God.

Well, if anyone had any doubts about the validity of your opinions, that should settle the matter once and for all.

Every single word in that is wrong. Every. Single. Word. I am honestly in awe! That has to be some kind of record. Should I call Guinness?

TheRedneck

Communists must be desperate.

First they push class warfare.

Then race issues.

Then they do climate change to force communism.

Now Jesus?

lol

Never things about freedoms, individual rights.

Nope.

Gotta push that communism.

lol

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Jesus preached that mankind should not be obsessed with material wealth. We should be willing to sacrifice our own success and monetary gains to help others. Jesus warned against people becoming fixated on wealth and status, for there is an afterlife where that does not matter.

Charity and Self Sacrifice are not Communism. Do not distort them.

Last time I argue this, because I've done so many times already. Jesus' words weren't the ones you said. Jesus said:

“If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

He is not telling you not to be obsessed with your private property, he is saying that if you want to be PERFECT (that is achieve salvation), you need to sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor. That's literally what he is saying.

The reason you DENY the words of Jesus and come up with "your own interpretation", is because you don't like Jesus' laws, therefore your mind goes into mental struggling to find ways to reject it. That's called cognitive dissonance. By doing so, you are denying God. That is apostasy, friend. Sorry.

Best to you.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's nice you actually admit your not interested in discussing the OP, just protecting the sheeps right?
It's dangerous to think for yourself....?

And you still wonder how we ended up here when the leading religions, which also act as the main moral provider, basically work like that, don't practice what you preach, repeat what is preached and don't diverge from the given interpretation.

Don't you find the notion that you need me protecting you from some potentially dangerous misinformation on a message board, rather condescending?

Sure, some are happy to be treated like sheeps, but my guess it's not the bulk of this board...

a reply to: Terpene

Still not going to discuss how the OP pulls one example in the face of Solomon, Abraham, Job, and Zaccheus, all wealthy, all saved, none required to give up all t heir wealth or be communists and contends that t he one nameless man outweighs all the others whose names are given?

a reply to: Terpene

You just summarized the whole issue in very short words Terpene, thanks for that.

Basic psychology 101 indicates is what these guys are really fighting is themselves. Since their minds refuse to accept what is right in their faces: reality. My thread is simply the scape goat. Negation is a super strong cognitive operator, stronger than what many realize. The replies on this thread have been like an exposition of it, I think.

Much love

a reply to: ltrz2025

Please explain to me why Solomon, Abraham, Zaccheus, and Job are outweighed by someone whose name we don't even know? Can you explain how those men were Godly and saved without giving up their wealth, in fact some were blessed with more.

originally posted by: yuppa
Ahem. What covenant does that fit under? The OT covenant was specifically for Gods people AKA hebrews/jews. They had laws specific to them. the NT covenant is for actual christians.

Read my OP again, all I did was to simply transcribe segments of the New Testament.

originally posted by: yuppa
The catholic church has mixed people up by not teaching the bible is 2 seperate books in one and each book is specified to a specific people. Jesus fulfilled the OT covenant and then the NT covenant was born for the christians,and for his chosen people if they desired to follow it.

I agree with your point of view, but I'm not a Christian, so I'm "allowed" to have that opinion. You don't. You are a Christian, and you are voluntarily chopping your holy book as you want and going against your church due to your personal opinion. That is apostasy. Maybe you are right and the church and the bible are wrong, but how do we prove that?

Then, if your holy book and church are corrupted, how can you have faith on what it tells you about Jesus then? I wouldn't like to be in your shoes then friend. It's quite hard to be a good Christian, many sins to avoid and very strict rules to follow, but it's even worse when you don't know what God's law truly is, when what you have has been "corrupted". Sorry for that, must not be easy.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Communisim is anti Christ.

They hate God.

You are more then slightly confused. Go to China and see how Christians are treated. They are detained, tortured, and murdered.

This thread is silly at best.
Guess who inspired it?

a reply to: visitedbythem

I know you are trolling, because no smart person would come to your conclusion after reading my thread. So, .

Then, I would want to say that my thread wasn't about me, or about what I think, but about what the bible says and how many hypocrites use (and abuse) the religion, the figure of Jesus, to go around judging others when they are awful people themselves, with the sole intention of dividing human beings in order to "favor" a politician, or a flag, or a personal mental fart.

I'm what you would probably call an "anarchist" (although I don't agree with labels), so I despise all types of governments all together. Chinese, American, European, you name it. But I have no problem with the people, who most have, sadly, sheep mentalities. Which is what makes them choose "teams", as nation and as religion, right or left, woke or anti-woke, feminist or patriarchists, and all that divisive none sense. That's how the powers that be want the sheeple: fooled and divided, easy to manipulate and to turn against each other.

And no problem with Jesus either. He was the one selling all his private property, ordering others to sell their properties, and living in a communist community. If you want to deny Jesus and blame it on China, suit yourself friend, good luck in hell. XP