Manhunt After Worshipper In His 80s Doused In Petrol And Set Alight Outside London Mosque

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus
People are free to follow whichever religion they please here in the UK same as they are in your own nation.

But England has hate speech laws and thought police.

Islam is not like the others... but I understand you must protect the minorities (for now)

a reply to: iamthevirus

"You see Islam should be a hate group or a terrorist organization in England, but instead it is exactly the opposite, it is protected by those calling themselves Liberal Demcrats."

Blimey.

Perhaps all Muslims should be arrested and housed in some kind of camp?

Now, where have I seen that sort of thing happen in recent history?

Unbelievable.

a reply to: ToneDeaf

I did get to visit a mosque in turkey, yes they did ask why we were there when we explained we were curious and wanted to learn more they told us when to come back and when we did for a small donation they escorted us around outside of prayer time.

never been inside the smaller mosques, but seems odd they wouldnt have someone watching the door. *shrugs* mileage may vary based on location and type of mosque.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Nice to see you cherry-picking parts of my post without addressing the rest of the content or pertinent issues.

Aka the similarities between religious Christian extremists in your own nation, child marriage(which you brought up), and the fact that they pretty much believe, want, and wish to see, the same things happen to women and children or gay people as their Sharia law-following extremist Muslim cousins.

They are essentially singing from the same hymn sheet ffs.

One side screaming for a Christian Theocracy and the other a Muslim Caliphate which in most respects are pretty darn synonymous.

But England has hate speech laws and thought police.

England's hate speech laws don't have anything to do with the fact that people are free to follow whichever religion takes their fancy or none at all.

Islam is not like the others... but I understand you must protect the minorities (for now)

Unfortunately for you, Islam is indeed just another Abrahamic religion with 1.9 billion followers worldwide which equates to around 24% of the world's population.

With all the associated problems that come with such, including extremist factions hell-bent on promoting religious war and strife toward others that then deem less than.

Are you attempting to suggest all those Muslims are all bad people, or extremists jihadists, coming to get you or end your way of life?

Or that the vast majority of such are any different from the rest of the 84% of the people on Earth that choose to place their faith in some form of organised religious practice?

As to protecting minorities, is that not what we are supposed to do? Freedom of speech and expression, and all that jazz.

It is important to respect the views of everyone, not just the majority.

If we stop protecting minorities there goes our individuality and culture for a start.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: putnam6
This is so outside normal UK society norms, is there a chance this is a Russian attempt at destabilization?

No doubt a few pounds in the right hands could get a poor soul to do something so heinous...

Zero.

Russia is incredily racist with all non-ethnic Russian being forcibly deported or forced to be cannon fodder against Ukraine - The suspect is Black so is the last person they'd recruit or would work for them.

I imagine the guy has some severe schizophrenia/psychosis as it's such a barbaric thing to do and he had no intention of hiding his face or fleeing the scene - no offence to anyone with those conditions as 99.9% wouldn't/couldn't do anythting so cruel.

LOL please a zero percent chance?

Im not saying the suspect would be a Russian agent, Im suggesting if you have a poor migrant and a Russian agent paid them enough pounds they would do whatever they wanted.

Obviously, it's more likely someone within the community but a zero chance?

This isn't WWII where every German agent was captured and turned there is a potential for Russian agents in all NATO countries to be activated to cause chaos and target the poor migrant community is an easy place to target to create distrust and disturbances

www.newshub.co.nz... leeper-agents-to-prepare-to-strike-intelligence-advisor.html

Russian spies 'active at all levels of British society' as Vladimir Putin reportedly orders up to 50 sleeper agents to prepare to strike - intelligence advisor

20/06/2022
Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly ordered up to 50 sleeper agents in Britain to prepare to strike against the United Kingdom.

MI5 believes Putin has ordered all sleeper agents deep undercover to be ready to spring into action at a moment's notice. They are also worried about attempts to steal the United Kingdom's military secrets and target Russian dissidents and Ukrainian activists living there.

"We have to assume Russia is now active at all levels of British society. They scoop up all forms of intelligence and pass it back to the Kremlin through handlers," they told The Mirror.

"This could be anything from what sort of weaponry is being sent to Ukraine - and how much of it - to the sexual antics of the country's political and military leaders."

A former military intelligence officer, Lieutenant Colonel Philip Ingram, said it's impossible to accurately say how many Russian agents are in the United Kingdom.

"Of course there are different types - declared intelligence officers known as part of Russian diplomatic missions, and those operating undercover trying to recruit agents and then sleeper agents in all aspects of society," he said.

"Given our support for Ukraine, Russian intelligence will be focused heavily on operations inside the UK and could also include recruiting agents inside political establishments, defence and industry."

a reply to: putnam6

Well, there may be some chance that Russia done it.

Pretty darn slim and highly unlikely so without any evidence why speculate?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Perhaps all Muslims should be arrested and housed in some kind of camp?

That's a little bit extreme isn't it? tell me more of your fantasies...

Perhaps you should haul them in front of the courts like that punk kid and give them all 10 years in the re-education center.

a reply to: iamthevirus

One of yours, actually:

"You see Islam should be a hate group or a terrorist organization in England."

That's what you said.

a reply to: iamthevirus

His fantasies?

You are the one that seems to think 1/4 of the people on planet Earth are somehow different and/or coming to get you or do you wrong.

If i was you i would be more worried about your own paranoia and delusions.

And why should they be hauled in front of courts, to answer for what exactly, if they have done nothing wrong or have not broken the law?

a reply to: andy06shake

That is rather how the Nazis rose to power.

Sad that some folk still seem to think that way in this day and age.

a reply to: andy06shake

There's no reason you can't be prim and proper about it, as only an Englishman can be...

I have no idea of the muslim culture in UK, that's what y'all are discussing here, I'm just listening to yuns talking about throwing them into camps and which ones are naughty or nice.

I live in a Secular Nation, religions aren't involved in my government's affairs like the UK.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: putnam6

It's not really for London that's the thing.

But it is an exceptionally horrible attack.

I don't think its much to do with Russia, and probably more to do with religion and the fact that the attacker is obviously off his rocker.

Does London have people doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire all the time? I mean it happens here in America but it's dumb azz kids dousing themselves and making a video.

Certainly, it's likely the unsub is within the migrant community, and with his picture out there, there would be likely reprisals within the community unless the victim was targeted for some previous grievance. He has a semi-distinctive look but it just might be migrant community justice being meted out.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Right.

You are the one advocating the criminalisation of Islam in the UK but as I see that you apparently have no idea about Muslim culture in the UK we will give your opinions all due possible respect.

Aren't you "One Nation, under God", or something?

a reply to: putnam6

It's not really a big thing over here. Most folk just think it's the act of a horrible individual and don't get all politicised about it.

We Brits are more concerned about Gary Lineker getting cancelled, actually.

a reply to: iamthevirus

There's no reason you can't be prim and proper about it, as only an Englishman can be...

You called an old man that got attacked outside a mosque and nearly burned to death for what appears to be simply having a conversation with the wrong whack job an "extremist" for no other reason than the fact that you seem to take issue with his choice of religion.

And then proceed to tell us how all Muslims in England should be considered a hate group and/or a terrorist organisation.

I have no idea of the muslim culture in UK, that's what y'all are discussing here, I'm just listening to yuns talking about throwing them into camps and which ones are naughty or nice.

Son, you're about a hop skip, and a jump, away from near enough providing us with your final solution to the Muslim problem.

And yet now claim not to have a clue or know anything about Muslim culture in the UK.

I live in a Secular Nation, religions aren't involved in my government's affairs like the UK.

Its already been explained to you that the UK is one of the most secularised nations on Earth.

As to your own nation being secular, i tend to agree, and hope to see it never any other way.

Might wish to tell that to the growing percentage of people in the US calling for the nation to become or resemble some sort of Christian theocracy all the same, because it's them you need to convince, not me.

a reply to: putnam6

Does London have people doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire all the time? I mean it happens here in America but it's dumb azz kids dousing themselves and making a video.

Same to similar as places like New York, Detroit, or Baltimore crime-wise, just more with knives as opposed to guns, or so I'm led to believe, i live up the other end of the island which is also quite mental or has been known to be but not anything reminiscent of London town.

London is pretty darn bad crime and crazy wise in this day of age, and it's only getting worse apparently, certainly not representative of the rest of the UK, sort of in a whole league of its own.

Certainly, it's likely the unsub is within the migrant community, and with his picture out there, there would be likely reprisals within the community unless the victim was targeted for some previous grievance. He has a semi-distinctive look but it just might be migrant community justice being meted out.

Hopefully, the culprit is caught no matter where he hails from, after all setting fire to old people, well a person's own mother would not be out of line to shop them for committing such a sad act of depravity.

Need to leave you all for a spell and go get washed and brushed up, I'm off to see a tribute "Stone Roses" band this evening.

Have fun ATS and all the best.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

"You see Islam should be a hate group or a terrorist organization in England."

That's what you said.

Because you have hate speech laws and thought police and stuff... that's England, would we expect less?

That's a farcry from tossing them in concentration camps as you'd suggest.

Everything is hate speech in England, you must not have looked too deep into their religious manual.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I agree mate, the far-right does pose a threat....but all the indications at present suggest something different in this instance.

I'm going to notch it up to just an internal event as Muslims can be rather harsh on each other in their grievances when it comes to religion and how one should live and act.

Tragedy, ain't it?
Part and parcel, living in a big city.
Cascades of crimson.

a reply to: iamthevirus

As you know nothing about life over here may I, with all due respect, suggest that you keep your ill informed opinions to yourself?

I suggested no such thing, I was simply suggesting that that might be the logical result were the UK to follow your advice to Criminalise Islam and therefore millions of Muslims here in the UK bearing in mind that we do not have prison space to hold such high numbers.

"Everything is hate speech in England, you must not have looked too deep into their religious manual."

Sorry but that is just nonsense.

At this point it seems quite obvious that you are here to provoke folk. There's a word for that sort of thing.