Manhunt After Worshipper In His 80s Doused In Petrol And Set Alight Outside London Mosque

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm just glad it's only limited to Muslims.

You'd never find a 'wrong' Jew, Christian, Buddhist or even Atheists doing this kind of stuff or similar.

Imagine how awful the world would be if every religion had 'wrong' types in them.

So apparently we are tribal. Something somewhere keeps trying to mix us up.

a reply to: iamthevirus

I believe them silly atheists shouldn't pay taxes to the Church of England.....

Voluntary taxes amongst their congregations.

Parochial church councils continue to levy voluntary rates by virtue of the Parochial Church Councils (Powers) Measure 1956.[6]

Hampstead Parish Church has documented their procedures for raising a voluntary rate,[8] by way of good practice.

or reserve seats to religious institutions in their house of commons if they really believe they're atheists.

The House of Commons is a purely elected assembly.
26 seats in The House of Lords are for Church Of England Bishops - 3.33% of the total seats.
The House of Lords is an anachronism that needs urgent and radical reform.

What any of that has to do with the setting alight of an 80+ year old man is beyond me.

There has been a lot of speculation about the reasons behind this attack - understandable I suppose, its human nature - but at the moment the truth is it could be anything.
They may have had an argument over anything; a perceived slight or literally anything.

Hopefully they'll find the guy responsible soon.

originally posted by: putnam6
This is so outside normal UK society norms, is there a chance this is a Russian attempt at destabilization?

No doubt a few pounds in the right hands could get a poor soul to do something so heinous...

Zero.

Russia is incredily racist with all non-ethnic Russian being forcibly deported or forced to be cannon fodder against Ukraine - The suspect is Black so is the last person they'd recruit or would work for them.

I imagine the guy has some severe schizophrenia/psychosis as it's such a barbaric thing to do and he had no intention of hiding his face or fleeing the scene - no offence to anyone with those conditions as 99.9% wouldn't/couldn't do anythting so cruel.

a reply to: carewemust

It's certainly is not a competition.

However, the last terrorist bombing in the UK was the Manchester Arena bombing, which occurred on May 22, 2017.

Where a bomb was detonated in the foyer and managed to kill 23 people and injure 800 others, not exactly what i would call minor by any manner nor means.

a reply to: ketsuko

Oh, i don't doubt a person that subscribes to the Muslim religion could pass for someone on the other side of the aisle.

In the same to similar manner, a Catholic could pass for a Protestant and vice versa.

But there are indeed some differences, with Sufism emphasizing the more mystical approach to Islam and has a more decentralised leadership structure.

Whereas Sunni Islam is the largest of the two sects and the most widely practiced branch of Islam.

a reply to: Freeborn



The nut job's reasoning for the attack aside.

It does not bode well that he had some kind of container of petrol on his person whilst in what is supposed to be a place of worship.

By the looks of things, 5-minute conversation with the man or otherwise, he was there to commit mayhem and menaces and to do some poor sod an injury.

As to him being found, someone is apt to stick him in given what he just did.

a reply to: Freeborn

Atheists for Islam cheerleaders don't even realize they have a State religion called the. Church of England.

"Voluntary taxes" that must be double speak? They have a lot of these type of contradictory statements in England (Europe too) obviously my mind isn't progressive enough to wrap around such concepts.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ketsuko

Oh, i don't doubt a person that subscribes to the Muslim religion could pass for someone on the other side of the aisle.

In the same to similar manner, a Catholic could pass for a Protestant and vice versa.

But there are indeed some differences, with Sufism emphasizing the more mystical approach to Islam and has a more decentralised leadership structure.

Whereas Sunni Islam is the largest of the two sects and the most widely practiced branch of Islam.

An herein lies the double standard.

As we all know there would be no sympathy for the victim if they were both Christians.

Instead this thread would be all about condemnation of Christianity.

But here instead we have cheerleaders trying to explain the nuances of Islam and how their sects differ because it taboo to criticize Islam but perfectly ok when it comes to Christianity.

Thanks for educating us about who the good people are in Islamofascism.

a reply to: iamthevirus

An herein lies the double standard.

There is no double standard.

As we all know there would be no sympathy for the victim if they were both Christians.

What a load of tripe you're the only one that seems to take some kind of pleasure in the fact that the man set alight was a Muslim.

As is clearly evidenced by way of your nonsensical comments aka you called the man an "extremist" and a "far-right religofascist" without even knowing the first thing about him.

Everyone else simply sees him as an old fellow that was attacked whilst leaving the mosque by a piece of scum.

You are the one calling him names because you don't like the religious ideology he subscribes to down to the fact that you are an obviously racist twat.

Instead this thread would be all about condemnation of Christianity.

What the thread is about is plainly clear to everyone but yourself.

That being a pensioner being set alight by a mad bastard for reasons that have yet to be established and the fact that there is a nut job on the loose that apparently likes to set fire to old people and has yet to be apprehended by authorities.

But here instead we have cheerleaders trying to explain the nuances of Islam and how their sects differ because it taboo to criticize Islam but perfectly ok when it comes to Christianity.

Whos stopping you from criticizing any organised religious practice?

Do so if you must but please make sense and attempt to stay on topic.

Thanks for educating us about who the good people are in Islamofascism.

Educating you is rather a stretch as we simply cannot teach pork that does not wish to learn.

a reply to: andy06shake

I'm getting somewhere now I know it...

Because when I go to the pub and have a conversation with a stranger that response is exactly how it looks... We stop eachother at every pause or sentence to interject.

Hypocrisy at its finest, that too must be part of the British sensibility thing I keep hearing about?

a reply to: iamthevirus

The only place you are getting is deeper into that big hole you are digging for yourself.

If you came away with half the tripe you do here at ATS in a pub chances are you would be glassed for your troubles as unfortunate as the case may be.

If you wish to make an arse of yourself by calling some poor old sod that was attacked and nearly burned to death silly derogatory names that's up to you.

But it says more about you than it does the poor old man who you hate because of the religion he chooses to subscribe.

a reply to: andy06shake

This is much better, salute to you for being human.

Mental aerobics... that seems to be the norm in everything Liberal, Left, Democrat, Progressive thinking.

One really has to wrap the mind around concepts for them to work... But when you tug away at one of the foundation stones then the whole shebang comes tumbling down.

These style of mutli-quoted replies only goes to support that fact that it is in fact damage control, like trying to defend every little piece of their delusional ideology that has crumbled away.

a reply to: iamthevirus

You don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the thread.

Other than nonsensical racist and anti-religious drivel.

Suffice to say you are simply not worth the waste of words.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well Americans have a lot in common with the Irish I suppose, we like to scrap with eachother, it's a masculine bonding custom Britons may be unaware of those nuances.

You see Liberal Democrats on the Left can't have a normal conversation because they lose! instead you must accept their house of cards for them to even remain in a debate... or they whine and cry that something is unfair yadda ya.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ketsuko

Oh, i don't doubt a person that subscribes to the Muslim religion could pass for someone on the other side of the aisle.

In the same to similar manner, a Catholic could pass for a Protestant and vice versa.

But there are indeed some differences, with Sufism emphasizing the more mystical approach to Islam and has a more decentralised leadership structure.

Whereas Sunni Islam is the largest of the two sects and the most widely practiced branch of Islam.

An herein lies the double standard.

As we all know there would be no sympathy for the victim if they were both Christians.

Instead this thread would be all about condemnation of Christianity.

What a stupid thing to say - what on earth gives you the idea no one would sympathise with a pensioner doused in petrol and set alight just because they're Christian?

Please don't pretend to be some kind of superior atheist/scientist when making such unevidenced statements of belief about a country you've never visited let alone lived in.

We generally have basic manners and decency in the UK and don't use tragedies such as this to push racial or religious hatred and division.

a reply to: bastion

The British are a strange people, we Americans beat feet from there long ago.

You see people like Dawkins and Hitchens are held in high esteem and boosted up on their shoulders when they were out and about bashing Christians and Christianity...

But as soon as they said something negative about Islamofascism then ther own community of Atheistic Liberal Democrats basically deplatformed, ostracized and silenced them for hate speech.

Explain that... you can't... unless you build me a house of cards or somehow try to box my thinking in.

a reply to: iamthevirus

I'm from the UK - you don't have the slightest clue what you're on about.

a reply to: bastion

mkay...

You know what they say about being nose-blind.

a reply to: andy06shake

You see Islam should be a hate group or a terrorist organization in England, but instead it is exactly the opposite, it is protected by those calling themselves Liberal Demcrats.

You see there is nothing in Islam telling them not to take child brides or not to cut off the hand of a thief or to commit honor killings... it is "your" law which does that.

If you then have something such as this ideology allowed to coexist beside you and you have to protect it... ya know it's just weird.

Strange people.

a reply to: iamthevirus

How many Muslims are there in America that follow the Islamic faith without resorting to extremist views or fanaticism?

That would be quite a few at last count, to the tune of around 3.45 million people, even if you don't like them apples and funnily enouth roughly the same number of Muslims as there are in the UK, although estimates can vary.

Islam is a religion iamthevirus, and an Abrahamic one at that, the same as Christianity and Judaism.

People are free to follow whichever religion they please here in the UK same as they are in your own nation.

As to your mention of child brides, well you realise the horrendous track record some places in the US have where underage marriage is concerned?

And the fact that those who perpetrate the likes of child marriage in the US views are rather synonymous with the fanatical Sharia law following Muslim views towards both women and children?

en.wikipedia.org...
worldpopulationreview.com...
www.unchainedatlast.org...

People in glass houses like you really should not chuck concrete slabs.

Good luck with all that racist Islamophobia against a poor old man who was attacked and nearly burned to death outside a mosque all the same.

Given the nonsense and hate-filled rhetoric, you seem to be punting in this thread by way of an attempt to derail the thing, i can only assume it's you who is the racist extremist, so there is that.