Tucker Carlson releases the first wave of videos from Jan 6th

That was exactly my point, all the aggressive behavior was done by agitators like Ray Epps, antifa and undercover federal agents. If some people who were Maga did some vandalism or were violent then charge them.
I mean some(agitators) were breaking windows when not far from away Capitol police were opening doors, ushering people in. No guns no fussin'.
The Make America Great Again movement is not a violent one, it is simply about prioritizing our country and the left and the intel community and so many others find that offensive, why I'll never know.
Congress had a duty to pause the certification of the election and address the indescrepencies reported. People had a right to be pissed and protest. Pelosi had a duty to add police to keep the protest peaceful, but instead Pelosi kept the police in the dark and short staffed. When the protesters vastly outnumber the police there is a psychological impact and once the agitators did their job it was like lightning a fuse.
It was orchestrated to frame Trump and keep him from running for president again.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It's your fault you refuse to accept what we all saw happen live on every network to be had.

a reply to: andy06shake

I saw a group of Maga, led by Ray Epps, protesting and going after a 3 ft metal fence, shaking it and Capitol police on the other side of the "fence" pushing it while just over to the left about a 25 yards away the Capitol police were opening doors and allowing people in the capital building.

No one has said there weren't a few non FBI idiots engaging in violence and vandalism, indeed there were.

The problem is, the MSM is pretending that everyone was doing so, when they know for a fact that isn't true.

Again, the radical leftist MSM is reversing the narrative - labeling the (actually) mostly peaceful protest at the capital that day as an insurrection, after labeling the (actually) mostly violent and deadly riots over the summer of 2020 as 'mostly peaceful'.

And anyone who supports this narrative is (actually) suffering from mass formation psychosis as a result of their willing and intentional faith in their masters in their government and the MSM.

Own it. Get help.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Should we also be privy to all the Secret Services protocols and plans since they're funded by our taxes?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: frogs453

Wait ... where is insurrection in those charges?

I thought there was an insurrection.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya:

They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Again. No. When Bowser requested a few hundred in the summer, he called in over 5000, fully equipped including out of state with air support.

Trump the self proclaimed "law and order" President was very proud of it.

Here's further information:
Lawfare

True to the president’s word, a medley of National Guard soldiers, federal law enforcement personnel and local police began patrolling various parts of the city within hours.

One week of peaceful protests later, many of these forces are now withdrawing. But remaining in their wake are serious questions about the legal authority under which Trump deployed them in the first place. D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has openly questioned this authority. D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine submitted a detailed set of questions to Attorney General William Barr, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows seeking clarification on the legal basis for these actions. But the administration has yet to provide a public explanation.

Link

So the President did do this just months before. Beyond any request from DC.



Please share with me the link that shows Capitol Police staff was reduced to half that day because I can't find any link.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: tanstaafl

Cases have been delayed at the request of the defendants due to the sheer amount of evidence they have to go through. Did you not actually read the article I posted previously?

Maybe in a few cases.

Are you seriously suggesting that is the case for all of them?

And are you seriously suggesting that excuses their treatment, being treated extremely disrespectfully, placed in solitary confinement, even physically abused?

a reply to: WhatItIs

Wonder why Jacob Chansley did a plea deal?

My opinion?

He was the face of extremism. They made an example of him. He made it easy for them to do, the way he was dressed, with war paint, a spear and horns.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

So you are suggesting the FBI blew up the world trade center aka the bombing in 93 when a terrorist attack via van bomb detonated?

Was not someone called Ramzi Yousef?

Do you have actual evidence as to FBI involvement?

Some credible links might be nice.

So you are unaware of the Iran Contra testimony that revealed these facts?

Yousef was a pawn. The FBI built the bomb and told him where to plant it.

The FBI claimed it was a sting, but that someone made a mistake and failed to stop them in time.

A mistake was made, but it wasn't failing to stop him, it was that the morons who parked the van parked it in the wrong place.

Not to put too fine point on it, but this is the FBI's standard procedure:
1) Set up a terrorist plot.
2) Swoop in to arrest everyone and pretend to be heroes.

We've seen it happen time & again. The Michigan kidnapping plot and the 1/6 so-called "Insurrection" are just the 2 most recent examples.

Sometimes, however, things go off the rails and Step 2 doesn't happen in time. That's when people die.

Well, ok, that isn't the message I was getting, but maybe I confused your posts with some of the other less rational people engaging in this thread.

My apologies, it appears we are in total agreement.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
That was exactly my point, all the aggressive behavior was done by agitators like Ray Epps, antifa and undercover federal agents. If some people who were Maga did some vandalism or were violent then charge them.
I mean some(agitators) were breaking windows when not far from away Capitol police were opening doors, ushering people in. No guns no fussin'.
The Make America Great Again movement is not a violent one, it is simply about prioritizing our country and the left and the intel community and so many others find that offensive, why I'll never know.
Congress had a duty to pause the certification of the election and address the indescrepencies reported. People had a right to be pissed and protest. Pelosi had a duty to add police to keep the protest peaceful, but instead Pelosi kept the police in the dark and short staffed. When the protesters vastly outnumber the police there is a psychological impact and once the agitators did their job it was like lightning a fuse.
It was orchestrated to frame Trump and keep him from running for president again.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Once again, it was a big enough issue that a database was created for defendants to use to look throughout the government's evidence against them.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Judge denies Jan. 6 defendant’s bid for time to review McCarthy’s Capitol security footage

A federal judge on Friday denied a Jan. 6 defendant’s request to delay her imminent trial in order to review thousands of hours of security footage recently made available by Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

www.politico.com...

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: tanstaafl

Again. No. When Bowser requested a few hundred in the summer, he called in over 5000, fully equipped including out of state with air support.

But she in fact did not outright reject assistance like she did for Jan 6, she actually requested it.

Do you not see a teeny tiny difference here?

Also, there is this little inconvenient truth.

Also, this was a general presence in the City where the peaceful demonstrations were occurring, not to surround and protect the Capital Building, which has its own very specific security protocols, and responsibility for and control of security for the Capital was your favorite Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader.

Trump the self proclaimed "law and order" President was very proud of it.

As he should be. He would have taken care of your 'mostly peaceful' riots in the summer of 2020 the same way too if assistance had been requested by the appropriate leaders.

Please share with me the link that shows Capitol Police staff was reduced to half that day because I can't find any link.

Okay, maybe not half, so ya got me...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

The Iran contra testimony proved the FBI blew up the world trade center?

Some actual tangible facts and evidence to support the claim please.

Some links might be nice?

I read the actual transcripts to the testimony, and watched some official discussion of it. It was many years ago obviously, but it was real.

Do you honestly think that Google or any search engine would make this evidence easy to find now?

Oh - and I couldn't care less if you believe me or not, so by all means, feel free to guffaw in your ignorance.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: tanstaafl

Should we also be privy to all the Secret Services protocols and plans since they're funded by our taxes?

No, but you could try to explain how such things can be compared to surveillance footage of a camera system that covers all of the public areas inside and outside of the Capital building.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Ah, but from your link. It's mere seconds that they may not have and her attorney could not state why it would even matter as all the relevant camera angles and video of her crimes without just a few seconds was already provided.

Democrats are soo afraid of the exposure of outrage unconstitutional procedures, the kangaroo court and the compliant of the marxist media against conservatives in the nation.

Where was the Kangaroo court of the democrats when they were paying while encouraging all the vile riots and killing of Americans in the nation, yep.

I feel that our nation is dying, dying because many are knowing democrats' politicians are crap these days, eroding everything that protect the American people rights, but cannot give up, still supporting all the incredible evidence of corruption and abuse of power.

isn't it interesting how this stuff is leaking out of Westminster and Washington at the same time, its like creating this level of division and conflict within your own ranks doesn't pay dividends..

a reply to: DAVID64
If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
But I believe I speak for a lot of people world over, to say.....

" when the f*ck are you people going to stop this blue/red/R/D pathetic tit for tat insanity that so many of you seem to live for & realise it's not a colour or party that f*cks you over......it's the GOVERNMENT !! "

jus' sayin'

a reply to: marg6043

i think of it as reformation point others think france 1780s and yet more think soviet block under the last days of Gorby..

however we spin it thats where we all seem to be..

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: tanstaafl
Not to put too fine point on it, but this is the FBI's standard procedure:
1) Set up a terrorist plot.
2) Swoop in to arrest everyone and pretend to be heroes.

We've seen it happen time & again. The Michigan kidnapping plot and the 1/6 so-called "Insurrection" are just the 2 most recent examples.

Sometimes, however, things go off the rails and Step 2 doesn't happen in time. That's when people die.

That or Step 2 is intentionally sabotaged by someone - ala the 'Bay of Pigs', which was the incident that infuriated Kennedy to the point he vowed to destroy the CIA, and which is the most likely reason that he was murdered.

a reply to: fotsyfots

expands that to every country in the west as we're all caught in the bow waves of what happens in the usa and so many are happy to be clones and copy the worst elements of it all.. just look how in lockstep all western countries are with covid.