I know that everyday I wake up, there will NOT be mass casualties from the vaccine

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: olaru12
When a new more virulent virus hits the streets, the anti vaxers will be standing in line for the jab.
Covid was just the beginning.....

You think that after this sh!tshow we're suddenly going to trust and believe them?

Seriously?

I think people might change their minds when they see their kids puking up blood.

Oh my.

And what would it help, the current C-Jab doesn't stop infection, anyway.

Talk about doom porn...pearl clutching fear...

Call it what you want....ATS is a conspiracy site after all. Or at least it used to be...I'm beginning to believe the MSM more than the Qanon BS/hyperbole that seems to have taken over ATS as the Gospel according to Bitchute and the Daily Stormer.

a reply to: JBurns

In the other thread of your where you tried to 'debunk' whatever you were trying to 'debunk' you ended up debunking yourself and the various you were making. To remind you that you started off by claiming there were 13 million doses given worldwide which was completely false. Given that you want to enlight the masses you are very sloppy with your arguments and claims.

You said

For the last time, 13 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine has been given world wide.

And look how much your arguments are exposed in the next paragraph when I pointed that at least 5.5 billion people have been vaccinated worldwide.

Not my calculation, an actual number by actual credible sources which I've linked. Something you've failed to do even once.

You're pushing an agenda. Q-anon drivel.

I reject your 5.5 billion number. I haven't seen that from a credible source. Facebook doesn't count. Even if so, it only further proves my point.

Great stuff!! So much enlightenment you offer!!

a reply to: JBurns

Natural immunity will not prevent infection

www.cnn.com...

Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die.” In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do “catch the virus,” they are “not likely to get sick.”

But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines “cover” the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”

Yet despite all the promises, neither does the vaccine.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: putnam6

From your source:

The findings don't mean people should skip the vaccines and get COVID on purpose, one of the researchers told NBC News.

“The problem of saying 'I'm gonna get infected to get immunity' is you might be one of those people that end up in the hospital or die,” said Christopher Murray, MD, DPhil, director of the IHME. “Why would you take the risk when you can get immunity through vaccination quite safely?”

So if you are one of the lucky people to actually survive Covid-19 virus then that's great, but who can tell any one of us we won't get very sick and die because of it?

Like the 99.85% of the those who have been infected. The global infection fatality rate was 0.15% before any medical interventions and before the onset of natural immunity. Hence around 99.85% of those ever infected survived primary infection.

At the moment the infection fatality rate of SARS-CoV-2 is probably the same or even lower than that of the flu.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: JBurns

Natural immunity will not prevent infection

Neither does the vaccine.

Indeed. But the OP is known to be a vaccine apologist who makes the most unsubstantiated claims and then ask others to disprove his claims by arguing this is the status-quo. That's a fairly new claim i.e he tries hard to say that his arguments are based on the official narratives and wisdom. But he hasn't realised the official narratives have collapsed.

a reply to: JBurns

Then and after you claimed 13 million doses have been administered worldwide you went on a safari from one gaff to another.

You tried to find the rate of adverse reactions by dividing the reported cases registered in Florida by the total number of shots given worldwide (!) without even thinking how wrong it this. And then you came up with the wrong conclusions...

You completely disregarded the number of asymptomatic individuals and those who have minor symptoms I e a very large number of cases and you ended up with a fatality rate of 1% saying that 1 in 103 who get infected die.... Another very wrong claim because you used the case fatality rate and not the infection fatality rate.

a reply to: JBurns
You can go swimming in that vaccine for all I care.

a reply to: JBurns

I agree with you and think it's basically some mental death cult that wants people to be afraid of sudden death for the rest of their lives, considering 72% of the world population has had at least one shot. Not to say that there aren't complications or deaths from it, I'm sure there is, just that there's no intentional conspiracy to depopulate with it.

They want people to think that very bad, it's like the driving force in their life, at least consumes all of their spare time and that is weird, deserves consideration of thought.

But, I'm not going to argue with them for the sake of it because no one is convinced and it's pointless much like left vs right. You can go back and forth forever with absolutely nothing to come out of it, no one undecided is out there reading this crap and forming an opinion. I've got him cornered now! etc.

I will call them out over obvious garbage when they're trying too hard like the Project Veritas Pfizer undercover gay date video. But that begs the question, why trying so hard? They just HAVE to convince people of something, it's a life mission, and what is the reason? You always have to go to that to understand why people are doing what they do.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: putnam6

The danger of the virus vastly outweighs the danger of the vaccine.

Prove it.

I note that now your arguments have been refuted on the other thread you have changed a little of argumentation by claiming that you represent the status-quo, the 'established science', and you don't have to do anything(!). It's everyone else who had to disprove whatever nonsensical claims you are making.

That's excellent logic!!!

Well done!!! Did you think this yourself or you have had sine help along the way?

a reply to: putnam6

This is what the OP has claimed from his other thread

We don't have to defend anything. Our's is the default position supported by mainstream professionals and 80% or more of the population. You have to change the status-quo, via credible facts and figures, which you have totally failed at doing.

The status quo is unchanged. You aren't actually convincing anyone of anything other than the frailty and fragility of anti-vax true believers.

So now the OP who is a vaccine apologist and defender of the pharmaceuticals and the official narratives and the 'status-quo' as he says... Wants to come around, make the most unsubstantiated claims and wants us to disprove his nonsense.

Ha! Comedy gold!

I got a question how come we don't have scores of people dead and dying from COVID in Africa?

This source suggests less than 26% of the population on the continent, is vaccinated against COVID, if vaccines were effective shouldn't we be seeing millions of COVID deaths in Africa?

medicine.yale.edu...

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, vaccines have largely ended up going to wealthy countries, and the number of vaccines promised to Africa has so far remained insufficient. Even though Africans make up nearly a fifth of the world’s population of 8 billion people, just 26 percent of Africans have been fully vaccinated. And global programs for distributing vaccines to low-income countries, like COVAX and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, have encountered “significant obstacles,” the paper’s authors say.

a reply to: JBurns

Part of my career was spent on medical harm from pharmaceuticals.
Not during Covid era.

People would be SHOCKED, I mean shocked if they truly knew how many deaths, harm, “adverse reactions” happen with everyday “medicines”. Medications often list side effect and even death on the warnings, but people don’t really pay attention to those things until it happens to them or a family member.

There will always be people that die, or have a reactions. What we have to look at is does it truly help more than it harmed? Unfortunately with Covid and the vaccine I’m afraid we will never know the accurate answer.

There are ways to look up these things for yourself.
Start looking up obituaries across the country. What do you see? I see the vast majority are old, or very obese middle aged people. You don’t see a lot of young people.

When we see an athlete or a young person die mysterious the entire internet goes “AH HA” he/she died because of the covid vaccine…. Maybe, maybe not. People did die before of mysterious thing. I knew a HEALTHY healthy 30 year old woman that died from the flu. I knew healthy people that died from heart attacks. Lots and lots and lots of people died from heart attacks pre covid.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: JBurns

In the other thread of your where you tried to 'debunk' whatever you were trying to 'debunk' you ended up debunking yourself and the various you were making. To remind you that you started off by claiming there were 13 million doses given worldwide which was completely false. Given that you want to enlight the masses you are very sloppy with your arguments and claims.

You said

For the last time, 13 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine has been given world wide.

And look how much your arguments are exposed in the next paragraph when I pointed that at least 5.5 billion people have been vaccinated worldwide.

Not my calculation, an actual number by actual credible sources which I've linked. Something you've failed to do even once.

You're pushing an agenda. Q-anon drivel.

I reject your 5.5 billion number. I haven't seen that from a credible source. Facebook doesn't count. Even if so, it only further proves my point.

Great stuff!! So much enlightenment you offer!!

Kind of makes you wonder why there is a necessity to make repeated posts in this same vein. Trying to reassure themselves? I mean, "vaccine" hysteria is over. TPTB won't force us to take it anymore since it doesn't actually work, is probably hurting people and now that TPTB have admitted that they lied when saying that natural immunity didn't exist and are now saying that the natural immunity from coronavirus may be better than their "vaccine".

Nobody is convincing anyone who hasn't taken it by this point to get in line for it, so what is the reasoning behind these repeated posts? Everyone who wanted it got it. Some of those people have been convinced not to take repeated boosters because they have already had scary health problems, and some are subscribed into the forever booster mindset. Bottom line is, these posts aren't going to change anyone's mind.

For the record as of November 18th, 2022 number of COVID deaths on the whole continent of Africa 257,984, how is such a low death rate possible when they have only been vaccinated to the tune of 26%

As of November 18, 2022, the overall deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) in Africa reached 257,984. South Africa recorded the highest number of casualties. With over 100,000 deaths, the country accounted for roughly 40 percent of the total. Tunisia was the second most affected on the continent, as the virus made almost 30,000 victims in the nation, around 11 percent of the overall deaths in Africa. Egypt accounted for around 10 percent of the casualties on the continent, with 24,600 victims.By the same date, Africa had recorded more than 12 million cases of COVID-19.

www.statista.com...

a reply to: JBurns

I don't believe your post - I pretty much ignore anyone who claims to be able to predict the future.

It's a debate whether the vaccines are actually a lower risk for children and healthy young adults.

As for the future, this vaccine was never tested long-term - we really don't know the long term side effects. With any drug, even ones that aren't pushed through at lightening speed, there is a risk of unknown side effects. (See Aspirin and Tylenol).

There's ALLWAYS a risk that a drug will do more harm than good. Either through intentional manipulation to sell the product (see opioids) or just because drug trials do not always predict long-term side effects.

It's a risk/benefit and a personal choice.

furthermore.... according to this 2 patients out of 20,000 vaccinated developed Guillain-Barres disease

The cases were confirmed in two adults in their 60s who were among 20,000 vaccine recipients in Pfizer’s Phase 3 clinical trial. One person’s illness had completely resolved after three months, and another was improving after six months. There were no Guillain-Barre cases among people who didn’t receive the shot.

A rare neurological condition is ‘important potential risk’ of Pfizer’s RSV vaccine, FDA says

Two people who received Pfizer’s respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine during a clinical trial were later diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome, and the US Food and Drug Administration has asked Pfizer to conduct a safety study if the shot is approved, according to agency documents released Friday.

The cases were confirmed in two adults in their 60s who were among 20,000 vaccine recipients in Pfizer’s Phase 3 clinical trial. One person’s illness had completely resolved after three months, and another was improving after six months. There were no Guillain-Barre cases among people who didn’t receive the shot.

Scanning electron micrograph of human respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) virions (colorized blue) that are labeled with anti-RSV F protein/gold antibodies (colorized yellow) shedding from the surface of human lung epithelial A549 cells. RSV is a common contagious virus that infects the human respiratory tract.
By the next RSV season, the US may have its first vaccine
“Given the temporal association and biological plausibility, FDA agrees with the assessments of the investigators that these events were possibly related to study vaccine. … Therefore, [Guillain-Barre] is being considered an important potential risk,” the FDA says in the documents, which were released ahead of a meeting of its independent vaccine advisers, the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: JBurns

This is what a global scale hoax looks like.

It was/is a global scale hoax but it’s not how you think it is.
I am glad you wake up everyday with the fake vaccine coursing through your veins.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: SwissMarked

Except evidence-based science backed up by peer review and statistics, not opinion.

Sure, but who's evidence, who's science, who's peers, who's stats?

This is the problem... corrupt system, corrupt evidence/science/peers/stats.

That argument could be 180’d into people aren’t dying in the streets and the clot shot has been proven to do precisely zero in regards to mitigation of virus. Oh the shame. Now, in typical herd mentality, it’s ra-ra-Russia’s turn to take the focus.



a reply to: JBurns

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: SwissMarked

Except evidence-based science backed up by peer review and statistics, not opinion.

Sure, but who's evidence, who's science, who's peers, who's stats?

This is the problem... corrupt system, corrupt evidence/science/peers/stats.

This is the point, now that everything has been corrupted it takes knowledge and detective work to unravel the truth. People playing the logical fallacy game instead of trying to understand will never find it.