A Review and Analysis of the Garabandal Prophecies

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Not ludicrous at all.

1 - Didn't the church declare three times that the apparitions were 'not of
supernatural origin'? That doesn't mean they agree or disagree with what
is being said. It just means they think it was human conjured. Made up.

[edit on 4/12/2005 by FlyersFan]

I guess I am having difficulty writing this off from your point of view since you say 1) they are not of supernatural origin & 2) they are demonic. This seems to me a contradiction. Doesn't demonic also fall under the definition of supernatural? I am finding just as much conflicting information on the site you posted as every site supporting the apparitions.

For every debate in the Catholic Church there are a multitude of extremely convincing sites for both sides of the argument. As for everyone else (other than a Catholic), there is a lot here to investigate on, speculate on and report on. The church to my knowledge has NOT condemned THE MESSAGES of Garabandal, but whether or not they have is moot unless you are a devout Catholic bound by direction of the Church.

From the site I previously posted, which I find for the most part to be extremely faithful to Catholic teachings, I just want to make a point about THE MESSAGES themselves.

www.ewtn.com...

Indeed, some of the prophetic elements of the message can be found in private revelations which have been approved since the initial decision on Garabandal in the 1960s. For example, the concept of a worldwide warning can be found in the Diary of Saint Faustina (Diary n.83), and both the message of Divine Mercy given to her (Diary n.1588), and that of Akita (approved by the local bishop), speak of chastisement if mankind does not ultimately repent. Similar prophetic content can be found in the writings of Elizabeth Canori-Mora and Mary of Jesus Crucified, both of whom were beatified by Pope John Paul II, as well as in prophecies given by God to Blessed Anna Maria Taigi and St. Caspar del Bufalo.

It does not seem to me that the Church has forbidden a study of this particular apparition. For those who care if the Church does, they are still waiting, for those who don't, any decision of the Church either way will probably not convince them personally.

Perhaps an investigation of the actual words of the above mentioned writings will shed some further light on this. I think there is no debating there is a long history of this type of warning down through the ages. The thing is, they do seem to be accelerating during these times. Garabandal is one of the few with any tangibles at all in terms of clues. Disecting it may not prove or disprove it, but I don't see how it can hurt to bring awareness of the phenomenon providing it's not flat out demonic, in which case I really think the Church would have done something by now to make that clear to the faithful, but I don't think the intent of this thread has anything to do with whether or not the Church actually has approved it or not.





[edit on 4/12/2005 by Relentless]

Thank you kind Godess.

It takes some wading through but nothing on that site is a definite claim from the church that it's either demonic or not supernatural. All they say in the correspondence is that they won't undermine the authority of the local bishop by ruling differently or starting a new investigation.

Originally posted by Relentless
I am having difficulty writing this off from your point of view since you say 1) they are not of supernatural origin & 2) they are demonic. This seems to me a contradiction. Doesn't demonic also fall under the definition of supernatural?

Oh ... let me clarify ...

The CHURCH says they are not supernatural. I say they are demonic.
I disagree with what the Catholic church has decerned in this case. They
say 'not supernatural'... I say 'hell YES supernatural, just not from the
good side of things.

Does that help clarify? Sorry if I was not being clear before ...

Ok, here we are on April 13, 2005 and I guess we're technically within 12 months of this date next year. Could this be a candidate for 'the warning'?

Talang Volcano

Here's some info on the last big volcano to pop... sounds like it would have been a very spritual experience to live through.

Krakatoa's Explosion Heard More than 2,000 Miles Away

Krakatoa's tremendous explosions were heard throughout the area and beyond, over 1/3rd of the earth's surface. They were heard as far away as 2,200 miles (3,540 kilometers) away in Australia, and even as far away as Rodriguez Island which is 2,908 miles (4,653 km) away to the west-southwest, in the Indian Ocean about 1,000 miles (1,600 km) east of Madagascar. People on Rodrigues Island described the sounds to be like the distant roar of firing canons. The sounds continued at intervals of three to four hours during the night.

Atmospheric Shock Waves Recorded Throughout the World
Atmospheric pressure shock waves from the explosions of Krakatoa circled the earth seven times and were recorded by barographs throughout the world. Barographic records documented the shock waves from the paroxysmal explosion of Krakatoa by as many 7 times, as these waves bounced back and forth between the site of the eruption site and its antipodes on the earth for 5 days following the explosion.

Upper Atmosphere Effects
Ash from the eruptions was propelled to a height of 50 miles (80 kilometers) in the upper atmosphere blocking the sun and plunging the surrounding region into darkness for two and a half days.

Dust and ash from the eruption encircled the Earth in 13 days forming a cloud which, by September 9, 1883, had covered completely the upper atmosphere along a belt in the equatorial zone. Three months after the eruption this belt of volcanic dust of fine particles of dust had spread to higher latitudes causing unusually spectacular red sunsets and other interesting atmospheric effects. Blue and green suns were also observed. Breathtaking sunsets were observed during the winter months of 1884 in both American and Europe. Unusual sunsets continued for almost 3 years.

I don't think that a volcano would qualify as the 'warning'.
Supposedly the warning will be something everyone will bear witness too and will not be able to be explained away scientifically or otherwise. Furthermore it's also stated that this event would be something that wouldn't kill anyone and volcano's can inflict serious damage in whatever format of an eruption.
Just a thought. Look to the skies

Well they've already evacutated 26,000 people today and volcanoes don't usually kill people unless you live nearby and don't get away in time. If it's big enough it will be seen (effects) all around the world, and yes, "look to the skies" would be very fitting.

10 years ago or so I had a conversation with Mother Angelica.
She had just come back from Garabandal. She had been speaking
with one of the 'seers' as well.

Mother said that the warning wouldn't happen until the
Catholic church appeared dead.

Considering what we just saw at the Papal Funeral .. the
Catholic church looks like it's still alive. (although if you
go to 'catholic' churches here in town, they look more
protestant than Catholic and it does appear the Catholic
church is dead here)

Well the Catholic Church doesn't have a leader right now... could be considered 'dead' I guess.

I agree with the pope gone the church is in hiatus at the moment. He also has been considered the last great pope even though according to some we are slated for 2 more popes.
However, I still believe that the great warning is coming soon and will be a way nobody can ignore.

How about the half-baked idea NASA has planned for July 4th...

The "Deep Impact" collision with Tempel 1 (destruction of 3rh "temple") should be visible to all who look into the sky...

Maybe the comet will ignite for the next seven days...

Must look for pagan associations with July 4...

It's within 12 months...

[edit on 13-4-2005 by BadMojo]

Originally posted by BadMojo
How about the half-baked idea NASA has planned for July 4th...

The "Deep Impact" collision with Tempel 1 (destruction of 3rh "temple") should be visible to all who look into the sky...

Maybe the comet will ignite for the next seven days...

Must look for pagan associations with July 4...

It's within 12 months...

[edit on 13-4-2005 by BadMojo]

Wouldn't you need a telescope, a really good one, to see that?

How old were the girls at the time and how old would that make them now? I couldn't really tell from thre pictures and I only saw references to "young" girls. Just trying to figure why people don't think they will be around in 2017.

Didnt Pope John Paul II make a statement this past Jan. about the devil does not have much time left and that something had started?

I remember it realy had people all stirred up.

It was like he was speaking to someone in particular. No one knew where he was comming from. Just out of the blue, made a statment like there was more going on than most knew.

Just a thought, maybe it goes along with what these girls talked about.

Originally posted by Sugarlump
Wow it is nice to see so many elements tied together and analyzed as a whole?

I agree!!!

Some form of consistency finally.

Edit: There are 666 visitors right now.

[edit on 14-4-2005 by DragonflyKingdom]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
10 years ago or so I had a conversation with Mother Angelica.
She had just come back from Garabandal. She had been speaking
with one of the 'seers' as well.

Mother said that the warning wouldn't happen until the
Catholic church appeared dead.

Considering what we just saw at the Papal Funeral .. the
Catholic church looks like it's still alive. (although if you
go to 'catholic' churches here in town, they look more
protestant than Catholic and it does appear the Catholic
church is dead here)

I myself dont beleive that the visions the children had were from God....but hey, Im no Prophet!


FlyersFan......you actually did speak to Mother Angelica?
If that is so, and she mentioned the Catholic church would have to appear dead for the warning to come out?
yes?
Well,Im actually seeing this from an Orthodox way and since the Early Church was one body for all churches....and since the schism of 1054 East and West.....could this mean that the two Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodoxy would have to UNITE.......of-course this wont happen if the position of the new elected Pope takes on the position of the Last Pope(God have mercy on his soul)......
do you see what i'm getting at?
helen....
Hey, I re read my post(after posting)I hope im making sense......its getting late here....
There are quite a few differences with the R.Catholic and the G.Orthodox and since the Orthodox know of only 7 true Ecumenical Councils(not the W.C.C coucils)and the R.Catholic have hmmmmm quite alot....there has to be an EIGHTH ecumenical coucil (as was before .early church) to resolve their differences......one being of Married Priests.....and going back to the Original Apostles Creed(confession of Christianity)
Why I mentioned this EIGHTH ecumenical council is not because my mind says this, but prophecy from 3rd century and later by others speak of destruction and Constantinople being the centre of Orthodoxy again.......
helen.....
sorry........should have mentioned this before....

[edit on 4/15/2005 by helen670]

so its now April 15th...

anything happin yet???

Originally posted by they see ALL
so its now April 15th...

anything happin yet???

Hey there

It's April the 16th here......

Hey,I'm sorry......stupid reply.....I was trying to be funny
helen.

[edit on 4/15/2005 by helen670]

So, there was a quake just now right off the coast of France near Marennes - followed by a couple of aftershocks. So, for the heck of it, I went over and started searching Nostradamus for any quatrains dealing with quakes to see if I hit on one pertaining to the area. Well, I found something that sure fits nice with the Garabandal prophecies - potentially.

At the foundation of the new sect,
The bones of the great Roman will be found,
A sepulcher covered by marble will appear,
Earth to quake in April poorly buried.

And it's the 66th quatrain of the 6th century...yeah, 6:66.

www.crystalinks.com...

Well, crap! Now, I'm starting to freak myself out...look what just happened!

Magnitude: ML 3.8
Region: NORTHERN ITALY
Date Time: 2005/04/18 at 10:59:19.0 UTC
Location: 44.74 N ; 9.34 E
Depth: 11 km
References: 50 km NE Genova ; 5 km SW Bobbio ;