A Review and Analysis of the Garabandal Prophecies

Very interesting information and very nice compiled, it will be worth to see how the prophecies has developed and what eventually will become from it.

Perhaps a later analysis by the church itself will be also good to add to the research.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
they all now say that the Garabandal 'apparitions' weren't from Heaven.

Well we all know that the best lie is 99% true. Is this prophecy a trick to lull you into feeling safe when you see this sign in the sky? Read my first post in this thread for what my outtake on what this "sign" probably is. If what I saw in my dream was correct, then this isn't going to be a pretty event that people smile about later.

valhall and mynaeris Great job putting this all together! Today is April 8th. I am feeling a little anxiety.

Springer Thanks for posting this in such a readable way. The analysis is great.

FlyersFan and Relentless thanks for adding the additional information about comparison of the other apparitions.

Thank you both for your time and effort. What a read!!!! It is interesting to see that some of their visions are the same or similar to many peoples dreams now days.

NOt too sure about the whole flying out the door thing. Sounds kind of evil to me.

[edit on 8-4-2005 by mrsdudara]

Amazing read. There's a few things that don't add up though.

If the four women have since admitted it wasn't a message from 'God', why do they make a pilgrimage back there every year? Also, didn't at least one of them claim to know the exact date of the miracle and would tell the world 8 days before? Again, why go back every year if you know nothing's going to happen?

All four live in the US now? What are the chances of that happening as a co-incidence, or what could be the reason for that?

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
why do they make a pilgrimage back there every year?

Do they go to Garabandal? I don't know if they really do. If they
do go each year, they may be going just for a home visit - to visit
family and friends. It doesn't imply that they have yet again
changed their collective minds and now think it's from heaven.
They grew up in that village. They have friends they probably
go back to visit from time to time.

didn't at least one of them claim to know the exact
date of the miracle and would tell the world 8 days before?

Yes.

why go back every year if you know nothing's going to happen?

and even bigger ... why go there if the 'warning' will carry with it an
earthquake a thousand times bigger than any earthquake to date?
Why go into a place that you know an earthquake of that magnitude
will happen? Doesn't make sense.

All four live in the US now ... what could be the reason for that?

Drummed out of Garabandal when they pulled their stunt as teenagers?
Embarrassed to live there after the fuss they caused? Got $$$ to
relocate to USA from people who believe in the apparitions even after
the girls recanted their stories? Still believe and want to be as far
away from the disaster stuff as they can be so they live in the USA
because they know something that we don't? Who knows?

Originally posted by dbates

It could be possible that this sign is a comet that passes close to the earth and gets sucked into a close orbit that brings it back around in a year. I hate to bring them into this, but didn't Mother Shipton have a prophecy about a comet that would pass by and then end up hitting the Earth later.

And when the Dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on...

...And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky -- his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth

PS: I know someone who had a dream about a possible comet impact in 2006.


[edit on 8-4-2005 by dbates]

I personally have no problem whatsoever in bringing Mother Shipton's prophecies into any discussion concerning prophetic visions. I find the Mother Shipton prophecies some of the most intriguing and detailed writings in this genre!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
why do they make a pilgrimage back there every year?

Do they go to Garabandal? I don't know if they really do. If they
do go each year, they may be going just for a home visit - to visit
family and friends. It doesn't imply that they have yet again
changed their collective minds and now think it's from heaven.
They grew up in that village. They have friends they probably
go back to visit from time to time.

"the visionaries of Garabandal, all of whom live the United States now, had been preparing for a pilgrimage to Garabandal. The visionaries left for Garabandal on the 4th of April and will be there, at the site at which they received their visions, through the 18th of April."

and even bigger ... why go there if the 'warning' will carry with it an
earthquake a thousand times bigger than any earthquake to date?
Why go into a place that you know an earthquake of that magnitude
will happen? Doesn't make sense.

Well they said the warning would be seen all over the world and it "will not kill us". In the context of the message, they imply that it will frighten us "a thousand times worse than earthquakes". Garabandal is probably as safe as anywhere during the warning, but if any of this is true I don't understand why they would go there before the warning.

Still believe and want to be as far away from the disaster stuff as they can be so they live in the USA because they know something that we don't? Who knows?

If they do know something we don't, it could mean the US is going to be the safest place to be. Does anyone know if they all live in the same area?

They claim that a pope will see it, but the pope is dead and there will be no pope by 14 april. The election takes place several days after the time period (7-17) and it could take 30 days to elect a new.

Must consider this 'prediction' as debunked.

I'm sorry, but I can't find anywhere they state that the Pope will see The Warning???

"“First, a World-Wide Warning that will happen in the sky...like the collision of two stars that do not fall down... it will frighten all humanity regardless of where one happens to be at the time... it will be a thousand times worse than earthquakes... like a fire that will not burn our flesh ... it will last a very short time, although to us it will seem to be a very long time ... no one can prevent it from happening ... It will be recognized as coming from God... it will resemble a punishment ... it is meant to be a purification ... like the revelation of our sins and what we will feel in our hearts will be worse than sorrow. It will not kill us, if we die it will be caused by the emotion within us. The date was not revealed only that it will happen before the announcement of the miracle. "

Furthermore, since the visions do not tell the year of the April in which this will occur, I don't believe anyone can call "debunked" just yet?

To clarify the Catholic Church's classification of Garabandal at this point, I am submitting this link:

www.ewtn.com...

There is a good explanation here of the Churches standpoint, reasons why some things about these aparitions may have transpired as well as comfirmation that the Church has not condemned the messages.

This is far from over with the Catholic Church. In my view, the simple fact that the Church has NOT condemned these messages, leaves them worthy of further consideration and discussion.

For Myn: By the way, you had asked me in the past about St. Padre Pio having similar prophesies to Garabandal, and though I was able to answer you that this was not true to my knowledge, the link above does provide a connection between Padre Pio and Garabandal.

Finally, the principal promoter of Garabandal, Joey Lomangino, testifies that it was Saint Padre Pio who told him the Blessed Virgin was appearing at Garabandal and he should go.

Anyway, I would hope this thread does not become a debate on the merits of the visionaries themselves, but rather an exploration of the information given by them, since at this time the authenticity can neither be proved nor disproved, not even by the Church.

Originally posted by Springer
Looking again at the prophecy it is found that it will be on "...a feast-day of a martyred Saint for the Eucharist ...( not a feast-day of Our Lady or Our Lord)...".

This term "martyred Saint for the Eucharist" has me stumped. I so far have not been able to find a Saint that has been described this way, unless any martyr of the Catholic Church can be considered by default a Saint for the Eucharist, as the Eucharist is something specifically Catholic. I have seen it described more specifically as a "Saint devoted to the Eucharist", but again, I cannot imagine any Saint that isn't. It does seem clear that not all Saints are martyrs (died for their faith) and therefore the list of Saints can be weeded down somewhat, in an effort to find one that may be considered to fit this term more closely. For my own curiosity I went through the list and I share the shortened list below, along with some notes I took while going through it. I should note, that those on the list with the title Bl.(Blessed) are not currently Saints, but one step away. As they could be elevated to Saint in the future I have left them in the list if they qualify as martyrs.

April 8th

St. Aedesius
St. Concessa

April 9th

Bl. Thomas of Tolentino
St. Casilda
St. Demetrius
St. Hedda
Martyrs of Croyland - Multiple people (probably doesn't count)
Martyrs of Pannonia - Multiple people

April 10th

Bl. Anthony Neyrot
St. Apollonius
St. Apollonius
St. Beocca
St. Terence

April 11th

St. Stanislaus - Martyred while saying Mass
St. Antipas
St. Domnio

April 12th

St. Vissia
St. Victor
St. Sabas

April 13th

Pope Saint Martin I
St. Carpus
Bl. Edward Catheriek
St. Hermengild
Bl. John Lockwood
St. Maximus

April 14th

St. Ardalion
St. Thomais
St. Tiburtius
St. Domnina


April 15th

St. Maro
St. Maximus & Olympiades

April 16th

St. Callistus & Charisius - Multiple people
St. Encratia
St. Lambert of Saragossa

I believe this also narrows down the list of Saints pointed out in the original post for various reasons to two, St. Anitpas and St. Hermengild.

The one I find of particular note on the shortened list would be the one actually martyred while saying mass, St. Stanislaus.

Well, we now have St. Hermengild, Prince of Visigoth Spain - whose feast day is only celebrated in Spain, and whose feast day will fall on the only qualifying Thursday next April - on both our lists!

Thanks for that research work R!

Originally posted by Valhall
Well, we now have St. Hermengild, Prince of Visigoth Spain - whose feast day is only celebrated in Spain, and whose feast day will fall on the only qualifying Thursday next April - on both our lists!

Thanks for that research work R!

Okay, bearing in mind that this may not be the year, I found the following more in depth information regarding Hermengild on this site:

www.newadvent.org...

Gregory the Great relates (Dialogi, III, 31, in P.L. LXVII, 289-93) that Leovigild sent an Arian bishop to him in his prison, on Easter Eve of 585, with a promise that he would forgive him all, provided he consented to receive Holy Communion from the hands of this bishop. But Hermengild firmly refused thus to abjure his Catholic belief, and was in consequence beheaded on Easter Day. He was later venerated as a martyr, and Sixtus V (1585), acting on the suggestion of King Philip II, extended the celebration of his feast (13 April) throughout the whole of Spain.

I find his martyrdom specifically over the true Eucharist (refusing to receive from a non-Catholic bishop) definately placing this one on the "watch list".

GREAT GREAT READ!!!

this is the best damn thing i read here on ATS this year!!!

so...

only time will tell???

Originally posted by worldwatcher
hmmm excellent presentation valhall and mynaeris, this is certainly food for thought. I would presume that the Vatican is also well educated on these prophecies, so would it be a stretch to think that they chose the 8th of April for the Pope's funeral because of this?

i look forward to hearing more analysis and thought on this

the funeral is after a "seven day mourning" (or is it eight days???) process that starts after the pope dies...

it has been like this for many years...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I have requested info about Joey Lomangino. He should be
about 75 now - if he is still alive. He was promised his eyesight
back and so far hasn't gotten it. Last I heard through the
Catholic grape vine - he was suffering from dementia.

[edit on 4/8/2005 by FlyersFan]

Regarding Joey Lomangino's eyesight, I have found a page which summarizes interviews with the seers regarding the "Miracle" :

www.mgr.org...

Q. With respect to the sick people. The virgin mentioned one particular person, a blind man called Joe Lomangino, what did she say about him?

A. She said that on the day of the great Miracle he will recover his sight.

So you see, as the miracle hasn't occurred, he would not be expected to recover his sight yet.

Another item of note to ponder from the same page:

Q. You have said that the Miracle of Garabandal will coincide with a great event within the Church. Did Our Lady tell you what that event will be, and can you add anything to what you have already said about this matter?

A. Yes, I know what the event is. It is a singular event in the church that happens very rarely, and has never happened in my lifetime. It is not new or stupendous, only rare, like a definition of a dogma- something like that in that it will affect the entire church. It will happen on the same day as the Miracle, but not as a consequence of the Miracle, only coincidentally.

Though I cannot yet fathom clearly an event that would fit this description, it may be moot in determining the warning since an event as described would not be likely to be known a year in advance in my opinion.

There is also a consolidation of interviews regarding the Warning:

www.mgr.org...

From this page we learn that the seer Mari Loli knows the year of the warning and the seer Conchita knows the exact date of the miracle, but they have never discussed the dates and though Chonchita will reveal the date of the Miracle 8 days prior to it's occurance, Mari Lori feels she should not discuss the year of the Warning since it has been established they are to occur within a 12 month period of each other.

There is only one further clue to the date of the Warning from Conchita:

Q. Many years ago you told us the event of the Warning begins with the letter"A." Since Our Lady never told you not to reveal it, can you now mention it?

A. She did not forbid it, but I don't know why I haven't said it and I don't feel as though I should say it now.

I hesitated to post this part due to the obvious speculation that the "A" will be linked to an Asteroid, and I personally feel this is too obvious to be the definative answer, but that is just me. It may be interesting to get some input other than the obvious though, so I am inviting discussion of what it could be if not the obvious.

I cannot vouch for the credibility of ALL of the information provided in this site, so I do not endorse everything or anything found there. A complete reading of both of the above links and then further investigation of other things presented on the site will bring a lot of debate, even amoung devote Catholics. I therefore recommend veiwing the site with a grain of salt, but reading it nonetheless for further discernment in progressing this thread.

Originally posted by Valhall
Well, we now have St. Hermengild, Prince of Visigoth Spain - whose feast day is only celebrated in Spain, and whose feast day will fall on the only qualifying Thursday next April - on both our lists!

Thanks for that research work R!

I'm getting a little confused now. The feast day next year could be the day of the miracle or the day of the warning?

edit: Ok, I think I figured it out that you're talking about the miracle and that means the warning would be sometime in the preceeding 12 months? That got me thinking and reminded me of something I was following a while ago, Nasa's Deep Impact mission to collide with a comet in July this year. The reason I originally got interested in the mission was because the comet is known as "Tempel 1". Tempel? Temple? Here's a link.

[edit on 4/9/2005 by mythatsabigprobe]

The feastday next year could be the pinpointing of the miracle, which would put the warning this year.

Personally, I don't think the warning is imminent this year, but we will know that this year is ruled out in about a week I believe.

Thanks. Is there any reason the warning couldn't come after next week?