Campbell gets stuck in on excess deaths.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Xtrozero
I couldn't find the image you posted on the page you linked.

The image you linked has nothing but numbers....what does each column represent?

So, in that link are spreadsheets for each year. What I did was copy the years listed and put them together in a spreadsheet. Each number is a month of the year, and so there are 12 numbers per year. You can compare each month of each year. I'm not seeing what Cambell is suggesting...

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

I couldn't find the image you posted on the page you linked.

The image you linked has nothing but numbers....what does each column represent?

In Campell's video he is suggesting the deaths in 2022 were 20%+ more than normal. I aligned up 4 different years and if what Cambell says is true then for 2022 each month should be like 60k+ deaths per month when we compare to the other years, and they are not.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: nugget1

That fits in with all the five-eyes countries having chicken problems of various sorts."Eggs are now dangerous," isn't it lucky the supply is down? No, wait if the supply is down there would be fewer heart attacks. You can't make this stuff up.

personally i liked some of the recent non vaccination fear mongering they have tried to do to coerce people into getting vaccinated such as Unvaccinated drivers more likely to be in a car crash, study shows which was a headline in Canada not long ago.

Despite the absence of causal and exposure data, the authors make some striking claims. According to the study’s lead investigator Dr. Donald Redelmeier, “Our study demonstrated traffic risks were 50 to 70 per cent more frequent for adults who had not been vaccinated compared to those who had. This does not mean COVID-19 vaccination directly prevents traffic crashes. Instead, it suggests that adults who do not follow public health advice may also neglect the rules of the road.” A foundation of the research appears to be the belief that human behaviour is the most significant cause of traffic crashes. This leaves out two important factors in any crash – the automobile and the road. Any traffic accident is a combination of the drivers, cars and roads they use.

www.theglobeandmail.com...

of course in newscasts they were also saying that someone who is not vaccinated, should have to pay more for insurance that they cause to be needed, or even if those not vaccinated should have their drivers licences suspended, due to their "risk" to other, vaccinated drivers. basically relying on this completely unproven theory that someone who is not vaccinated, will not follow other safety rules and laws, in order to con people into getting vaccinated to keep their insurance rates down, and or be allowed to drive at all.

and for the OP. perhaps one reason why stats are hard to come by for Canada, could likely be to the crumbling and almost overwhelmed socialized healthcare systems. perhaps in a few years they might have the data from the last few years available. which is how socialized healthcare pretty much works, sure everyone will be looked after and dealt with, even if it takes years before they can help you. for example, back in the end of november, one of my doctors decided i need an MRI to try to get to the bottom of why i have been in severe pain for over a decade now, and to see if something can be done. my MRI appointment, the first they could even get in a major city, with many hospitals, is in AUGUST of 2023, or shall we say, just under a year away. and honestly, that is really not that long a wait. joint replacements for example, typically take at least two or three years (years of pain, and possibly not being able to do much), from when they finally decide you need it, till they can actually do it. a situation canceling things like such elective surgeries, during the pandemic,only just made it an even longer wait, since they now have to catch up those two or three years worth of needed surgeries. and it certainly doesn't help when hospitals have been overloaded for decades, and you have things like covid, RSV and flu (and the lack of normal medications for such things, especially for children, even available to buy), shut hospitals down, and canceling even more needed surgeries, due to being overwhelmed.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

I couldn't find the image you posted on the page you linked.

The image you linked has nothing but numbers....what does each column represent?

In Campell's video he is suggesting the deaths in 2022 were 20%+ more than normal. I aligned up 4 different years and if what Cambell says is true then for 2022 each month should be like 60k+ deaths per month when we compare to the other years, and they are not.

I don't know whether you have read the story of this thread but it seems there is some sort of inflation in the number you are given. Although not far away from the actual number of deaths registered in the UK in 2022.

Since July 2022 there have been a large number of excess non Covid deaths. Around 1,000 per week on average, which comes to around 26,000+ until the end of December. Since the beginning of this year the picture is worse. In the first two week there have been over 4,000 excess non Covid deaths.

How did you come up with the 60K+ number?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

I couldn't find the image you posted on the page you linked.

The image you linked has nothing but numbers....what does each column represent?

In Campell's video he is suggesting the deaths in 2022 were 20%+ more than normal. I aligned up 4 different years and if what Cambell says is true then for 2022 each month should be like 60k+ deaths per month when we compare to the other years, and they are not.

www.bbc.com...

Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years
More than 650,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2022 - 9% more than 2019

If you divide that figure by 12 you get around 54,167 deaths per month.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

How did you come up with the 60K+ number?

This below is the death rate per year for 2017 through 2021. Throwing out 2021 Jan/Feb with the COVID hit the average is

Avg: Jan 58k Feb 46k Mar 48k
+20%: Jan 70k Feb 55k Mar 58k

-------------------------------- Jan Feb Mar
2022 ENGLAND AND WALES 53k 46k 49k
2021 ENGLAND AND WALES 73k 59k 48k
2020 ENGLAND AND WALES 56k 43k 49k
2019 ENGLAND AND WALES 53k 45k 43k
2018 ENGLAND AND WALES 64k 49k 51k
2017 ENGLAND AND WALES 57k 47k 48k

The first 2 weeks of Jan 2023 17k deaths have been recorded, so where is that above and beyond the norm so far for Jan? Total deaths in 2022 was 576,021 so where did the 650k come from?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

How did you come up with the 60K+ number?

This below is the death rate per year for 2017 through 2021. Throwing out 2021 Jan/Feb with the COVID hit the average is

Avg: Jan 58k Feb 46k Mar 48k
+20%: Jan 70k Feb 55k Mar 58k

-------------------------------- Jan Feb Mar
2022 ENGLAND AND WALES 53k 46k 49k
2021 ENGLAND AND WALES 73k 59k 48k
2020 ENGLAND AND WALES 56k 43k 49k
2019 ENGLAND AND WALES 53k 45k 43k
2018 ENGLAND AND WALES 64k 49k 51k
2017 ENGLAND AND WALES 57k 47k 48k

The first 2 weeks of Jan 2023 17k deaths have been recorded, so where is that above and beyond the norm so far for Jan? Total deaths in 2022 was 576,021 so where did the 650k come from?

According to the BBC from the link above the total deaths in 2022 were over 650,000 in the UK.

The pandemic years are not counted for the 5 year average I.e 2020 and 2021. And in some occasions the pandemic year 2020 is not counted but 2021 is counted. The year 2022 is not considered as a pandemic year.


Your above figure of 17K in the first two weeks of January 2023 is not correct

In the week ending 6 January 2023 (Week 1), 14,983 deaths were registered in England and Wales; 739 of these deaths mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 4.9% of all deaths

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 13 January 2023 (Week 2) was 19,916, which was 20.4% above the five-year average (3,377 excess deaths); of these deaths, 1,059 involved COVID-19.

In England & Wales in the first two weeks of 2023
the number of registered deaths is

14,983 + 19,916 = 34,899

Which is a very large number of deaths in a non pandemic year. You need to wait also for the last two weeks to see how many people died in January.
A little note, England and Wales are not the only countries in the UK. Scotland and Northern Ireland are there. The population of both of them should be around 7.4 million people.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

According to the BBC from the link above the total deaths in 2022 were over 650,000 in the UK.

The Government's official number that breaks it all down into every death in every district is 576,021, so where did the BBC get 650k?

The pandemic years are not counted for the 5 year average I.e 2020 and 2021. And in some occasions the pandemic year 2020 is not counted but 2021 is counted. The year 2022 is not considered as a pandemic year.

It doesn't matter. I threw out the outliers and the rest of the months are about the same as previous years, so no clue to what you are getting at.... Throw out the whole year and the previous years are about the same as is 2022. Do your own counting lol Jesus is it that hard?

Your above figure of 17K in the first two weeks of January 2023 is not correct

I stand corrected I thought 17k across two weeks was very low, so it is 15k first week and 17k second week.

UK

If we go back way before COVID to 2017 and 2018 they were 58k and 64k respectively for Jan. So, for the first two weeks of Jan 2023 we have 32k, that is right now on course with 2018, so is that a serious issue?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

According to the BBC from the link above the total deaths in 2022 were over 650,000 in the UK.

The Government's official number that breaks it all down into every death in every district is 576,021, so where did the BBC get 650k?

The pandemic years are not counted for the 5 year average I.e 2020 and 2021. And in some occasions the pandemic year 2020 is not counted but 2021 is counted. The year 2022 is not considered as a pandemic year.

It doesn't matter. I threw out the outliers and the rest of the months are about the same as previous years, so no clue to what you are getting at.... Throw out the whole year and the previous years are about the same as is 2022. Do your own counting lol Jesus is it that hard?

Your above figure of 17K in the first two weeks of January 2023 is not correct

I stand corrected I thought 17k across two weeks was very low, so it is 15k first week and 17k second week.

UK

If we go back way before COVID to 2017 and 2018 they were 58k and 64k respectively for Jan. So, for the first two weeks of Jan 2023 we have 32k, that is right now on course with 2018, so is that a serious issue?

You maybe looking at England and Wales only when the BBC could be talking about the entire UK?

You have to ask the 'statisticians' for the other questions you have asked me. The 5 year average isn't the last five years as it seems. They usually take the non pandemic years 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019. In some other cases they use the 2016 onwards without including the 2020 but including 2021.

In the first two weeks in January England and Wales had 34,899 deaths. But that's not the entire UK!! They seem to be inconsistent in switching from the UK to England and Wales and back to the UK. Scotland and NI have a combined population of around 7.4 million people. Hence the figure I gave you is obviously lower that it should have been.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

But back to my point that 32k is not so crazy of a number as it is on course with 2018 which is well outside of the pandemic.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Asmodeus3

But back to my point that 32k is not so crazy of a number as it is on course with 2018 which is well outside of the pandemic.

Yeah 32k excess deaths isn't a big deal, it's only like 10 911's. I mean if it was due to covid it would be a big deal, but since it's not, it's not a big deal.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Asmodeus3

But back to my point that 32k is not so crazy of a number as it is on course with 2018 which is well outside of the pandemic.

There is a pattern though that has emerged since July 2022 and this is a large number of non Covid excess deaths with over 26K until the end of December and another 4K at least until the middle of January. So at least 30K non Covid excess deaths.

The important element of this pattern is that it doesn't seem to slow down and the excess non Covid deaths are much higher in the last two to three weeks.

This is the 7th month in a row with some many excess deaths and so many excess non Covid deaths.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

Yeah 32k excess deaths isn't a big deal, it's only like 10 911's. I mean if it was due to covid it would be a big deal, but since it's not, it's not a big deal.

What are you talking about, that is 32k total for the first two weeks of Jan which if they stay that high will be on course to match 2018. Your replies go off in some extreme direction and doesn't help the conversation.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

There is a pattern though that has emerged since July 2022 and this is a large number of non Covid excess deaths with over 26K until the end of December and another 4K at least until the middle of January. So at least 30K non Covid excess deaths.

The important element of this pattern is that it doesn't seem to slow down and the excess non Covid deaths are much higher in the last two to three weeks.

This is the 7th month in a row with some many excess deaths and so many excess non Covid deaths.

So, who is inventing the term non-COVID excessive deaths when we can compare the years and see they are not excessive anything. What do you call 64k deaths in Jan 2018 as example. Let's see how Jan plays out, OK. It really seems Cambell is trying to make something that most likely is not there.

So looking at it another way we see the average from

2004 to 2009 was 502k per year
2009 to 2014 was 503k per year

Then things started to change and by 2017 it went up to 533k, 2018 up to 539k, so something was increasing death rates, maybe population increases? IDK

2020 we saw 614k then 585k for 2021 to follow 2022 with 577k... as it drops back to a more normal number, but yes, it is still too high. It seems around 2015 and on death rates started to go up by 1% to 2% per year, so if 2018 was 539k and we add just 1.5% each year then when COVID hit in 2020 the non-COVID death rate would have been about 550k, 2021 558k and 2022 566k non-COVID... This means 2023 might be 575 non-COVID if the 1% to 2% increase per year death rate continues.

The big question is why are death rates going up even in the pre COVID and pre vaccine years? I know many here to include Cambell are say the vacc is doing it all, but this yearly increase started well before all that.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

There is a pattern though that has emerged since July 2022 and this is a large number of non Covid excess deaths with over 26K until the end of December and another 4K at least until the middle of January. So at least 30K non Covid excess deaths.

The important element of this pattern is that it doesn't seem to slow down and the excess non Covid deaths are much higher in the last two to three weeks.

This is the 7th month in a row with some many excess deaths and so many excess non Covid deaths.

So, who is inventing the term non-COVID excessive deaths when we can compare the years and see they are not excessive anything. What do you call 64k deaths in Jan 2018 as example. Let's see how Jan plays out, OK. It really seems Cambell is trying to make something that most likely is not there.

So looking at it another way we see the average from

2004 to 2009 was 502k per year
2009 to 2014 was 503k per year

Then things started to change and by 2017 it went up to 533k, 2018 up to 539k, so something was increasing death rates, maybe population increases? IDK

2020 we saw 614k then 585k for 2021 to follow 2022 with 577k... as it drops back to a more normal number, but yes, it is still too high. It seems around 2015 and on death rates started to go up by 1% to 2% per year, so if 2018 was 539k and we add just 1.5% each year then when COVID hit in 2020 the non-COVID death rate would have been about 550k, 2021 558k and 2022 566k non-COVID... This means 2023 might be 575 non-COVID if the 1% to 2% increase per year death rate continues.

The big question is why are death rates going up even in the pre COVID and pre vaccine years? I know many here to include Cambell are say the vacc is doing it all, but this yearly increase started well before all that.

The matter has been picked by many sources


www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously


Especially when there are many deaths above average in the young age groups.

Do you want to guess what these reasons are?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Do you want to guess what these reasons are?

Sure, how about reading your own damn article you linked...lol

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: RMFX1
Nurse Cambell (He's not a medical doctor) is a fraud. I agree with the above poster on that.

Fraud

noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
"he was convicted of fraud"

Please define your description of Dr. Campbell with evidence.

I will hang up and listen.

So you're saying that Nurse Campbell saw no finacial gain as a result of his youtube covid career? Semantics. He's a grifter.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Do you want to guess what these reasons are?

Sure, how about reading your own damn article you linked...lol

I have already done. They hardly mention lockdowns and delays which are major causes of these excess deaths. Actually the author doesn't mention them but Andrian Boyle who is interviewed dies mention them without being sure whether they have been causing the issues.

I am sure that these are major factors. They just don't want to admit it.

originally posted by: RMFX1

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: RMFX1
Nurse Cambell (He's not a medical doctor) is a fraud. I agree with the above poster on that.

Fraud

noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
"he was convicted of fraud"

Please define your description of Dr. Campbell with evidence.

I will hang up and listen.

So you're saying that Nurse Campbell saw no finacial gain as a result of his youtube covid career? Semantics. He's a grifter.

You do sound very concerned with Campbell or let's say with what Campbell says. Excess deaths and especially excess non Covid deaths is a serious issue which shows how the measures have failed massively.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Correct. I'm concerned. I've followed his channel for probably2 and a half years now. I've seen the progression. The other poster asked for evidence, well just check his channel. He's supposed to be a medical professional, not a Doctor but a medical professional none-the-less. His bad advice most certainly damaged people early on and now, he's conveniently flipped.

It's ridiculous.