What is the infection fatality rate (IFR) of Covid 19 now?

originally posted by: Dalamax
Nah. I’m correct

PCR tests are useless.

An improved useless test is still useless.

A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.
Well. As good as it gets when your cheerleaders are talking heads and politicians.

Your still funny.

a reply to: chr0naut

0.15% infection fatality rate and that was long before any vaccines become available

Publication by Dr Ioannidis from Stanford.
One of the top epidemiologists in the world.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

I have posted this above several times but there are some members who are trying to propagate misinformation and their own narratives and false claims without even knowing the basics.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

On Target

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0


The virus was created for the vaccine. Not the other way around.

COVID didn’t necessitate mRNA. Existing mRNA vaccine technology necessitated COVID

A Manhattan Project for the biomedical security state .....

On July 11, 2019, a think tank called the Biodefense Commission held a panel discussion entitled A Manhattan Project for Biodefense: Taking Biological Threats off the Table. The objective was to ‘create a national, public-private research and development undertaking to defend the United States against biological threats.’

Dr Robert Kadlec, the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) in the US Department of Health and Human Services (HSS) was a panellist. During the discussion Kadlec said, ‘It’s time to say “Go big, or go home” on this issue.’ Covid-19 gave him just the opportunity to implement this Manhattan Project as it appears to have been intended.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

He was replying to a post comparing covid with the cold. The point seems fairly easy to follow.

MERS IFR was from here.

academic.oup.com...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

He was replying to a post comparing covid with the cold. The point seems fairly easy to follow.

MERS IFR was from here.

academic.oup.com...

I haven't followed all conversations here but the IFR of MERS isn't 34%. That is the case fatality rate. IFRs are much lower as expected due to those who have no symptoms of very light symptoms and never get tested.

The one you gave is the IFR of MERS in Saudi Arabia. Whet is the IFR of MERS?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

He was replying to a post comparing covid with the cold. The point seems fairly easy to follow.

MERS IFR was from here.

academic.oup.com...

I haven't followed all conversations here but the IFR of MERS isn't 34%. That is the case fatality rate. IFRs are much lower as expected due to those who have no symptoms of very light symptoms and never get tested.

The one you gave is the IFR of MERS in Saudi Arabia. Whet is the IFR of MERS?

It's irrelevant to the point that was being made.

Unless you actually think MERs is comparable severity to the common cold.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

He was replying to a post comparing covid with the cold. The point seems fairly easy to follow.

MERS IFR was from here.

academic.oup.com...

I haven't followed all conversations here but the IFR of MERS isn't 34%. That is the case fatality rate. IFRs are much lower as expected due to those who have no symptoms of very light symptoms and never get tested.

The one you gave is the IFR of MERS in Saudi Arabia. Whet is the IFR of MERS?

It's irrelevant to the point that was being made.

Unless you actually think MERs is comparable severity to the common cold.

It's irrelevant to the topic of this conversation in general.

The topic is something very different.

But the MERS infection fatally rate isn't 34%.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The MERS IFR might only be 22%.

Totally changes the point about it being 'just a cold'...

I haven't made such claim. But the other member is wrong in conflating the IFR and CFR. And he had been wrong on several occasions in this thread and other threads as he is creating numbers out of his mind.

And that 22%. Where did you get this figure?

He was replying to a post comparing covid with the cold. The point seems fairly easy to follow.

MERS IFR was from here.

academic.oup.com...

I haven't followed all conversations here but the IFR of MERS isn't 34%. That is the case fatality rate. IFRs are much lower as expected due to those who have no symptoms of very light symptoms and never get tested.

The one you gave is the IFR of MERS in Saudi Arabia. Whet is the IFR of MERS?

It's irrelevant to the point that was being made.

Unless you actually think MERs is comparable severity to the common cold.

It's irrelevant to the topic of this conversation in general.

The topic is something very different.

But the MERS infection fatally rate isn't 34%.

Pointing out that someones is underplaying the severity of covid by comparing it to the cold seems reasonably on topic.

I agree, that is the CFR.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Who says it does?

I did , in the quote you posted.

And who said that China created and released the virus??

Seriously ?
Not from around these parts are you pardner.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Dalamax
No it isn’t and no they didn’t lol

Your funny.

a reply to: chr0naut

CDC’s Influenza SARS-CoV-2 Multiplex Assay

Apparently, you are wrong.

Too bad no one trusts the CDC anymore since its a vaccine company that makes billions from vaccines every year and not a regulatory agency.

I'm sure you could run an effective national health regulatory agency with the change you find down the back of the couch.

LOL

Your arguments are again in a turmoil.

The IFR was around 0.15% before the vaccines were rolled out.

There is no evidence for what you have said.
Covid-19 isn't the Spanish Flu. It was the Spanish Flu that has an IFR of 10%. It killed around 50 million people and infected around 500 million people.

You seriously need to read before you post.

Your response has nothing to do with my post.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The CFR does not multiply actual measured data by a guessed atestimated number. The IFR does.

This makes the IFR good for estimating worst case spread of a disease, which is how epidemiologists use the value, but it is not 'hard data', like the CFR is.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The CFR does not multiply actual measured data by a guessed at number.

Again, you are confusing matters.
The measure of how deadly a disease is, it is always given by the Infection fatality rate and not the case fatality rate. The latter is misleading and inaccurate. We have discussed this several times in the past but you don't seem to get it.

You also claimed that Covid had a 10% but ai don't know where did you get it.

Covid had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I agree IFR is the superior measure, however

had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

Is clearly wrong in developed countries.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Dalamax
A corona virus is a cold with a good publicity team.

MERS is a coronavirus with a 34% mortality rate. "JuSt A C0Ld!"

You are discussing a different virus and you are clearly confusing two different rates. The infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Above you have described the case fatality rate which was around 34%. But that's something very different to the infection fatality rate which is the topic of the thread count for a different virus and the disease that it could cause - Covid-19

The CFR does not multiply actual measured data by a guessed at number.

Again, you are confusing matters.
The measure of how deadly a disease is, it is always given by the Infection fatality rate and not the case fatality rate.

The measure of how deadly a disease is, is how many people the disease kills.

It makes sense to compare mortality in a subset of data that has only tested, symptomatic, and confirmed cases of a disease. Comparing mortality against numbers that may not have actually had the disease (those who are both symptomless and untested, who are part of the data used in IFR estimates, cannot be confirmed to have had the disease) is folly for determining how deadly a disease is. You go with proven cases, and then note the number of deaths in that data set - the case-fatality-ratio.

The latter is misleading and inaccurate. We have discussed this several times in the past but you don't seem to get it.

You also claimed that Covid had a 10% but ai don't know where did you get it.

Covid had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

I never claimed that the CFR (what I have been using) was 10%. Overall, CFR has been different for different countries, and some countries had a higher CFR than average, but the world average CFR for the alpha strain, and prior to vaccination was around 2%.

a reply to: chr0naut

CFR is a poor measure for viruses that have a relatively low rate of serious outcome or where mass testing isn't in place. At the peak of the pandemic it may have been relatively accurate (as people got tested for every sniffle), but earlier on or now would grossly overstate the fatality rate.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I agree IFR is the superior measure, however

had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

Is clearly wrong in developed countries.

We have discussed this before. The IFR as given globally was 0.15%

You seem to have forgotten the conversations we had.

Here it is again

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusions: All systematic evaluations of seroprevalence data converge that SARS-CoV-2 infection is widely spread globally. Acknowledging residual uncertainties, the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5-2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations

It's only the way you try to interpret it.
Average global IFR = 0.15%

It's very clear.

Now we have developed immunity and it will probably be significantly lower

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I agree IFR is the superior measure, however

had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

Is clearly wrong in developed countries.

Again there is nothing wrong with the estimations made by Dr Ioannidis from Stanford long time ago.

Average global fatality rate = 0.15%

In comparison the average global fatality rate of the Spanish Flu was around 10%.
500 million infected and 50 million deaths.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I agree IFR is the superior measure, however

had an IFR of around 0.15% estimated long time ago and before the vaccines were made available.

Is clearly wrong in developed countries.

Again there is nothing wrong with the estimations made by Dr Ioannidis from Stanford long time ago.

Average global fatality rate = 0.15%

In comparison the average global fatality rate of the Spanish Flu was around 10%.
500 million infected and 50 million deaths.

Other than they are too low for developed nations.