German nurse avoids jail after injecting thousands with saltwater shot instead COVID vaccine

a reply to: Asmodeus3

"Yes we can all guess at this point but we don't live in a world of absolute uncertainty."

We do, but you apparently live in a World of absolute certainty.

originally posted by: Dalamax
Which holocaust? Armenian? Jewish? African?

a reply to: M5xaz

You left out
- Ukrainian (holomodor)
- Rwanda
- Cambodia
- China

The covid fraud killed more than ALL OF THEM COMBINED !!!

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: M5xaz

It doesn't matter the tech used to achieve immunity, you can still catch and transmit most viral infections.
your immune system is just trained already, so you symptoms are less intense, the incubation, peak and healing is happening much faster.

Less coughing, less sneezing and less time contagious, are the factors that make you less contagious if you have gone trough immunisation, which can happen naturally too. But that's about all they do.

That said, the new mrna tech is diffrent in how it makes your body achieve immunity.

Dr Birx and the CDC have admitted that the covid "vaccine" does not prevent transmission or infection, unlike a real vaccine.

So, they basically keep telling the same lie, because real vaccines don't do that either.

Malaria vaccines do actually protect against infection and transmission
Same with the Hepatitis vaccine
Smallpox was nearly wiped out by vaccines

Those vaccines WORK

The covid -not-a-vaccine DOES NOT WORK !!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

"Yes we can all guess at this point but we don't live in a world of absolute uncertainty."

We do, but you apparently live in a World of absolute certainty.

No I don't think I do.

What I said was reasonable and one of seems to be true i.e 2) Uncertain motive as it implies from the article.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: Asmodeus3

She deserves a medal for saving the lives of thousands

The issue with this statement is that they will try to stick to the narrative that vaccines are safe and effective and have saved many lives.

Which is BS.

Dr Birx and the CDC have admitted that the covid "vaccine" does not prevent transmission or infection, unlike a real vaccine.

It supposedly prevents severe illness, but then hospitals are still operating at overcapacity in ICU while the near totality of patients are covid "vaccinated" .
THEREFORE THE "COVID VACCINE" DOES NOT WORK !!!
Only overinflated medical egos are preventing them climbing down from their soapbox and admitting they f*cked up

Finally, the covid "vaccines" are causing severe clotting, myocarditis and early deaths in many groups that are never very affected by covid, such as young men.

Fauci and his related ilk need to be tried for genocide= they killed more people than the Holocaust, bad as it was, ever did.

They don't need to admit it by the way. It was already known long before their admissions.

This is an RNA virus which is rapidly mutating. Vaccines cannot prevent transmission and infection and cannot significantly reduce them.

The bar has been moved to preventing serious illness and deaths. However this can be challenged too if one has the data.

What cannot be debated easily is the fact that these are untested products for which we know nothing much other than their short term unpleasant effects and serious illnesses they cause. Nobody knows the medium and long term effects and the benefit to risk ratio for all age groups.

Hence they are not safe and effective as to prove safety and effectiveness by definition you need to know everything mentioned above.

We both agree

originally posted by: Kurokage
To people saying she's a saint or hero, next time a Geriatric family member needs a hip replacement, is it OK for if the Surgeon thinks "well, they're old anyway and are going to die soon. I'll just say I've done it" or how about a person who needs Chemotherapy and the Nurse thinks "They've already got cancer, I'll just inject saline instead of the medicine and end their suffering quicker".
However you feel about the covid vaccine, the way this Nurse acted is despictable, and she should have recieved a far harsher punishment for her actions.

There is a big difference between withholding treatment and making a personal choice to err on the side of caution albeit for another.

One is morally wrong, the other might also be but it's a kind of Sophie's choice for medical people. Ethically, a nurse or doctor should stand their ground and quit in these cases but it brings up a dilemma of leaving the medical system bleeding out ethical staff. I'd be torn if I was in this situation myself but this nurse did it because she cared about the outcome being dangerous to the best of her knowledge not because she was a closet psychopath withholding treatment. Different crime.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

She didn't as the judges believed she meant no harm and they probably have doubts themselves about the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines just a lot of people at this point.

Cancer may involve chemotherapy at some point. However you are not getting vaccinated for cancer as cancer is not a communicable disease. (only exception you get an HPV vaccine so not to get cervical cancer).

My post was about the slippery slope of allowing a Nurse or any other health practioners beliefs to affect their job, which is why standards of practice are set.

www.nmc.org.uk...

I agree. which is why I'd hope all doctors and nurses are allowed to apply their professional judgement based on their actual clinical experience, not top mandated propaganda. Doctors do this all the time if a person has a side effect to a med they can suggest another or even something off label. Years of experience should be telling most of them that until recently young people were not dying in their sleep routinely and they are made aware of which medicines may be causing this and not prescribe them. We can hope.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: Kurokage
To people saying she's a saint or hero, next time a Geriatric family member needs a hip replacement, is it OK for if the Surgeon thinks "well, they're old anyway and are going to die soon. I'll just say I've done it" or how about a person who needs Chemotherapy and the Nurse thinks "They've already got cancer, I'll just inject saline instead of the medicine and end their suffering quicker".
However you feel about the covid vaccine, the way this Nurse acted is despictable, and she should have recieved a far harsher punishment for her actions.

There is a big difference between withholding treatment and making a personal choice to err on the side of caution albeit for another.

One is morally wrong, the other might also be but it's a kind of Sophie's choice for medical people. Ethically, a nurse or doctor should stand their ground and quit in these cases but it brings up a dilemma of leaving the medical system bleeding out ethical staff. I'd be torn if I was in this situation myself but this nurse did it because she cared about the outcome being dangerous to the best of her knowledge not because she was a closet psychopath withholding treatment. Different crime.

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There is no need to resign and I have stated this in a few replies back. The nurse could have easily contacted the head nurse and manager explained her objections with a written statement asking to be excempted from the vaccination campaign and still perform all the other duties of hers.

a reply to: angeltone
People were also giving homeless people and drug users money to take the shot for them ... Photo id was not needed. So anyone can go in and get it for you .... Was quite common ... Apperantly one guy took 8 jabs in one day 😱...

And also on Reddit

www.reddit.com...

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: angeltone
People were also giving homeless people and drug users money to take the shot for them ... Photo id was not needed. So anyone can go in and get it for you .... Was quite common ... Apperantly one guy took 8 jabs in one day 😱...

I don't know if it's a hyperbole that someone got injected 8 times in one day but if he/she did then what can we say?! Not the most wise choice!

a reply to: igloo

There is a big difference between withholding treatment and making a personal choice to err on the side of caution albeit for another.

One is morally wrong, the other might also be but it's a kind of Sophie's choice for medical people. Ethically, a nurse or doctor should stand their ground and quit in these cases but it brings up a dilemma of leaving the medical system bleeding out ethical staff. I'd be torn if I was in this situation myself but this nurse did it because she cared about the outcome being dangerous to the best of her knowledge not because she was a closet psychopath withholding treatment. Different crime.

Like I said before in the thread, this isn't just about covid vaccinations.
This is a healthcare professional allowing there personal beliefs to interfere with their professional duties. I included a link in an earlier post to the U.K. version of a code of ethics..

The Code presents the professional standards that nurses, midwives and nursing associates must uphold in order to be registered to practise in the UK.

www.nmc.org.uk...
I believe all Nurses sign and follow a similar code, which this Nurse must have done to practice.
A persons religious, political or any other beliefs should not be allowed to interfere with the job a health practioner has signed up to do, this wasn't a professional judgement she made, and it wasn't hers to make.

a reply to: Kurokage

The issue here is the word 'belief'.
There is plenty of evidence that can be shown in a court of law or elsewhere in relation to vaccine injuries and deaths from the vaccines.

Vaccine injuries & deaths isn't a matter of personal belief. It is a reality.

Of course I would have done it differently as I said and have asked because of the vaccine injuries and deaths to be excempted from the vaccination campaign but without resigning.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

The issue here is the word 'belief'.
There is plenty of evidence that can be shown in a court of law or elsewhere in relation to vaccine injuries and deaths from the vaccines.

Vaccine injuries & deaths isn't a matter of personal belief. It is a reality.

You can say the same for any vaccine.

It was the Nurses belief in "theories" that interfered with the job she was intrusted and paided to do.

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

The issue here is the word 'belief'.
There is plenty of evidence that can be shown in a court of law or elsewhere in relation to vaccine injuries and deaths from the vaccines.

Vaccine injuries & deaths isn't a matter of personal belief. It is a reality.

You can say the same for any vaccine.

It was the Nurses belief in "theories" that interfered with the job she was intrusted and paided to do.

Not necessarily.

You can talk about this vaccine. Not all drugs and vaccines have the same serious adverse reactions and with the same frequency and severity.

Nurses and health professionals are not there to follow orders blindly. We are not in North Korea. They have the right to object.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage

The issue here is the word 'belief'.
There is plenty of evidence that can be shown in a court of law or elsewhere in relation to vaccine injuries and deaths from the vaccines.

Vaccine injuries & deaths isn't a matter of personal belief. It is a reality.

You can say the same for any vaccine.

It was the Nurses belief in "theories" that interfered with the job she was intrusted and paided to do.

Not necessarily.

You can talk about this vaccine. Not all drugs and vaccines have the same serious adverse reactions and with the same frequency and severity.

Nurses and health professionals are not there to follow orders blindly. We are not in North Korea. They have the right to object.

We'd be here all week, so suffice to say a lot of vaccines and medications can and do cause a small number of people to suffer adverse reactions, the covid vaccination is no different.
No they are not there to blindly follow orders but they should speak up if they disagree with something and not just blindly follow their beliefs and go against the code of ethics they agreed to follow when training to be a health practioner.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The right to object, yes.

But impose their beliefs on others that trust them to do their jobs, not so much.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Anti-vaxxer nurse who injected up to 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine walks free
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Read the comments from the public.....and note the up/down votes

The people, judging by NEGATIVE or down votes, are AGAINST these hateful vaxers., and agree with the hero nurse. Just like the rest of the world.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: Violater1

Probably because they are anti vaxxers.

The majority of people I know aren't.

a reply to: Violater1

And when you read through the comments, theres also just as many people saying that she should be jailed for what she did?!?!

Comments sections of newspapers are worse than the mud pit here on ATS. They're no indication of anything other the individual political leanings of its readers