Exposed !! Hidden Video Showing What Really Hit The Pentagon !!

a reply to: Xtrozero

If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.

And those poor passengers and crew… if this were a conspiracy can we truly doubt that those powerful and ruthless enough to do such a thing would pause for even a moment before permanently disappearing all those people by whatever means and incinerating all remains? No, of course if this were a conspiracy then those passengers would be canon fodder in the greater cause of the hawks new American century plans. IF….

Indeed, it’s a debate that can go on without end simply because none of us are in possession of all the facts. Everything we know about it is secondhand at best.

But to counter all of that, if conspirators were so ruthless as to disappear the entire passenger list and crew, then why would they bother with the whole smoke & mirrors of faking a plane crash with a cruise missile? They’d surely prefer to instead crash the real plane into the pentagon and avoid the chance of witnesses seeing a missile instead of a plane.

The one huge obstacle would be either finding a pilot willing to die for the cause, or finding a way of blackmailing a pilot that guarantees they’ll go through with it and won’t ditch. Or, trusting a remote system that could take away pilot control, cut comms and hit the target.

Taking out of context occum’s razor suggests that all of these possible scenarios are less probable than Al Qaeda terrorists did this.

But in context and with hindsight of the US foreign policy that’s unrolled since, knowing that all the overseas action, attempted expansive empire building and highly lucrative business for the industrial-military complex could never have happened without 9/11 puts a permanent question mark over this period of recent history.

And of course even if it really was Al Qaeda terrorists who’s to really say that at some point in the chain of events that led to 9/11 there was a CIA operative or two manipulating events in just this direction, via all their many means of coercion?

Definitive opinions on what happened that day will always be guesstimates at best

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: SnowBox2022

or the ineptitude and secret hording of agencies pre 9/11 were criminal and the lack of institutionalized secret hording le this group of nobody's take down the baddest military in the world.

HUBRIS

The problem with most conspiracy is once you follow the chain it drifts off in a chaotic mess that implies true perfection of a large group of people with a rather massive logistics chain that all was prefect in orchestrating and now 20 years later still all silent... Never going to happen... Now if someone said Dick Cheney had a group that backed getting the hijackers here to perform their tasks I could believe that.

the fact of the matter is that on 9/11 a small hand full of people made BILLIONS of dollars in the stock market buyng a million to one odds put options on the air carriers that were used in the attack so that when the stock tanked they could make a TON of cash, but you would need to know at least the night before the attack.

there for it is a legit conspiracy at best and treason at worst

it was government ineptitude and power tripping that caused 9/11

people knew beforehand and there is the odd case of the so called 'dancing Israeli's' look that up if you want to see how real power works.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Xtrozero

If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.

Based on what evidence? Where did flight 77 go that was tracked to the Pentagon. Where did the very real crew and passengers of flight 77 go, And why didn’t they return to their very real loved ones.

Why is the damage at the pentagon constant with a large passenger jet. And not with a smaller missile, and not with an exploding missile. Why do conspiracy sites lie about the actual damage.

How was the DNA and jet wreckage instantaneously deposited in a building just on fire with collapsed sections to make the bodies and remains constant with people in seats that crashed and went through a fire.


It’s not just DNA. It providing a truckload of human bodies and getting them consistent with the crash site. And having the ability to plant them in a collapsed and dangerous building on fire. And the amount of jet wreckage.

And if a government had that much control, why not just rig elections and be done with it…,

a reply to: WhatItIs

You're asking questions that i already answered in the rest of my post that you conveniently left out of the quote (or didn't bother to read in the first place).

The key word i chose in the part you did quote is 'probably'. What's the point in lecturing me about evidence when i'm presenting a hypothetical? Of course i don't have evidence - if i did do you think i'd be throwing around the word probably of a conspiracy theory website?

In answer to your protestations... If you're saying that if powerful people who had the resources and inclination to commit a false flag of this scale, would've balked at the complexities and morals of disappearing a plane full of passengers, then i think you need the word 'probably' far more than i

originally posted by: McGinty

If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.

And those poor passengers and crew… if this were a conspiracy can we truly doubt that those powerful and ruthless enough to do such a thing would pause for even a moment before permanently disappearing all those people by whatever means and incinerating all remains? No, of course if this were a conspiracy then those passengers would be canon fodder in the greater cause of the hawks new American century plans. IF….

I understand your point, and it is easy to put down in a post, BUT HOLY CRAP how hard that would be to accomplish at the level of perfection needed.

1. So something hit the building that didn't blowup on initial impact and had the ability to penetrant due to the energy created by 3 million pounds of force... I calculated it out...
2. Massive amounts of heat that is kind of like a 757 carrying 70,000 pounds of kerosene fuel that goes off in a fraction of a second.

Now we have a crazy level of variables that reach a point of impossibility outside of just writing them down in a post as we do easily just talking about conspiracies, but are basically impossible in reality.

1. The needed to kill 60+ people, burn them up in a way that represented the crash, AND then spread their DNA around to where no one would suspect anything.
2. Build a fake flight and list those people on that flight. All one would need to do is ask the friends and families of the dead if that person flew on that flight, check their emails to see the flight number etc and a dozen of other ways that would instantly show it was faked. That there my friend is an unimaginable impossibility.
3. Get tons of aircraft parts blown-up as if it all was done in the accident and we are not talking small parts either, go pick up a turbine section of an engine buried in the building that weights 7000 ibs...lol
4. Have it all remain still perfectly orchestrated on a God level 20 years later.

As example, if we look at Alex Jones who got in big trouble for saying it was actors in Sandy Hook massacre all that we would need to disprove him would be to just talk to the families that lost a child. Alex could have saved days of BS and a billion dollars if he just got off his ass and saw that real kids died that day. Same thing here with the Pentagon with all these armchair conspiracy theorist that would argue for days on something that with just an ounce of physical effort would discount it all.

I can play this same game with the Towers too.

But to counter all of that, if conspirators were so ruthless as to disappear the entire passenger list and crew, then why would they bother with the whole smoke & mirrors of faking a plane crash with a cruise missile? They’d surely prefer to instead crash the real plane into the pentagon and avoid the chance of witnesses seeing a missile instead of a plane.

You are 100% right!!!!

Why do some crazy impossible level fake event when all they would need to do is an OK city bombing on a massive scale, If the OK city bombing was 1 U-Haul truck then think about 10 semi-trucks all loaded and driving into the Pentagon from 10 different directions, or better yet a tactical nuke if this super secret group is all powerful.

That hit on the Pentagon was not that big in the sense of what they could have done, so a ton of effort for just that?

Taking out of context occum’s razor suggests that all of these possible scenarios are less probable than Al Qaeda terrorists did this.

So if we had 99 conspiracies and the official story to make 100 then there is still only one correct right? I have yet seen any conspiracy that doesn't spiral into chaos once you start to look at the logistics and timing involved that quickly jumps into impossibilities.

And of course even if it really was Al Qaeda terrorists who’s to really say that at some point in the chain of events that led to 9/11 there was a CIA operative or two manipulating events in just this direction, via all their many means of coercion?

Definitive opinions on what happened that day will always be guesstimates at best

What I find more interesting then how the events happened is how does so many people come here with their families and live with Americans, kids go to American schools, make friends with Americans etc etc and years later they all jump on planes to die just to kill Americans. That there is some real crazy sh!t if you think about it.

originally posted by: SnowBox2022

the fact of the matter is that on 9/11 a small hand full of people made BILLIONS of dollars in the stock market buyng a million to one odds put options on the air carriers that were used in the attack so that when the stock tanked they could make a TON of cash, but you would need to know at least the night before the attack.

there for it is a legit conspiracy at best and treason at worst

it was government ineptitude and power tripping that caused 9/11

people knew beforehand and there is the odd case of the so called 'dancing Israeli's' look that up if you want to see how real power works.

But none of this is what the OP's post is about, is it?

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Xtrozero

If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.

There was a whole chain of custody and civilians that recovered the bodies from the crash site. The bodies and remains were there from the moment tracked flight 77 ended up at the Pentagon.

And those poor passengers and crew… if this were a conspiracy can we truly doubt that those powerful and ruthless enough to do such a thing would pause for even a moment before permanently disappearing all those people

Yet we have records and evidence they boarded flight 77 and the flight was tracked to the Pentagon with eyewitness accounts of a passenger jet hitting the Pentagon. Then the remains, the Pentagon damage, and hole into the Pentagon are constant with a passenger jet hitting the Pentagon. Along with the recovered data recorder.

Do you have evidence flight 77 flew away from the pentagon?

by whatever means and incinerating all remains? No, of course if this were a conspiracy then those passengers would be canon fodder in the greater cause of the hawks new American century plans.

That is not evidence, that is speculation. A government that powerful would just rig elections.

IF….

If is not evidence. Your “theory” is as valid as if somebody posted the grays worked with the government, crashed a cloaked UFO, used an air cannon to blast airplane parts and human remains into the Pentagon for the damage in the other rings. Then the outer ring collapsed from the cloaked UFO backing out, and flying off.

And like your “theory” it still doesn’t explain radar tracked flight 77 to the pentagon. And why the damage and burns to human remains are consistent with a high speed jet with thousands of pounds of liquid fuel.

Inventing a scenario you hope explains the physical evidence is conjecture, not “evidence”.

Indeed, it’s a debate that can go on without end simply because none of us are in possession of all the facts. Everything we know about it is secondhand at best.

And yet there are accounts from a large group of people with video evidence of jet debris at the Pentagon. Plus the physical trail of damage to the Pentagon. The missing jet if it was a missile. The remains of the passengers and crew that were turned over to funeral homes and families.

But to counter all of that,

Counter what? Your spitballing. You don’t even have the usual lies conspiracists usually use. Like the exit hole out of C ring was the entrance hole.

if conspirators were so ruthless as to disappear the entire passenger list and crew,

You still have evidence they boarded flight 77, and it flew to the Pentagon, and it didn’t fly away. But ok?

then why would they bother with the whole smoke & mirrors of faking a plane crash with a cruise missile?

Because it was flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

They’d surely prefer to instead crash the real plane into the pentagon

You mean like how powerful middle easterners with deep pockets with government ties in the Middle East was able to finance, get volunteers from a region with known suicide bombers to carry out 9/11.

and avoid the chance of witnesses seeing a missile instead of a plane.

Which government? Whole lists of governments that finance terrorism. Religious sects that sponsor terrorism.

The one huge obstacle would be either finding a pilot willing to die for the cause,

See above

or finding a way of blackmailing a pilot that guarantees they’ll go through with it and won’t ditch.

Or take a page from WWII Japan, and religion and train modern day kamikaze pilots. Glorified suicide bombers. From governments that sponsor terrorism against the west and promote religious backed terrorism.

Or, trusting a remote system that could take away pilot control, cut comms and hit the target.

Regular maintenance and PM’s, pre flight inspections, kills that of having any credibility. Also needing a receiver and transmitter. Unexplained extra equipment.

Taking out of context occum’s razor suggests that all of these possible scenarios are less probable than Al Qaeda terrorists did this.

Ok? Like modern day religious kamikaze pilots that wanted to do more than suicide bomb?

But in context and with hindsight of the US foreign policy that’s unrolled since, knowing that all the overseas action, attempted expansive empire building and highly lucrative business for the industrial-military complex could never have happened without 9/11 puts a permanent question mark over this period of recent history.

Has nothing to do with the bulk of credible data, evidence, and civilian eyewitnesses that flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

And of course even if it really was Al Qaeda terrorists who’s to really say that at some point in the chain of events that led to 9/11 there was a CIA operative or two manipulating events in just this direction, via all their many means of coercion?

Ok? Still have nothing to do with the hundred of people involved in witnessing, investigating, and cleaning up the flight 77 crash. In that flight 77 actually crashed into the Pentagon.

Definitive opinions on what happened that day will always be guesstimates at best

Ok? So you did nothing to show you had any actual evidence that anything regarding flight 77 was faked. You just have the usually conspiracist conjecture.

originally posted by: WhatItIs
Inventing a scenario you hope explains the physical evidence is conjecture, not “evidence”.

You’re having an argument with yourself! I never claimed anything was evidence and as I’ve already told you it’s hypothetical. If your saying that we can’t ‘spitball’ (as you call it) on a conspiracy forum, then there won’t be anything posted on it.

Honestly, throwing your toys out the pram every time someone ‘spitballs’ in a conspiracy forum won’t be good for your blood pressure

a reply to: Xtrozero

Problem is that you are using logic Something which foreign to a conspiracy fantasist Only thing that matters to them is "proving" their conspiracy fantasy and will go to fantastic lengths to twist the facts or invent new ones in pursuit of their fantasy

a reply to: Xtrozero

branches on branches ... on branches

That is a long since debunked video.
I guess what's old is new again.

a reply to: samkent

Thats because there is a new crop of suckers to be fleeced ........

Same problem as always for this viewpoint, if a tube shaped missile flew into it then what knocked down all the lightpoles on the highway right next to it?

a reply to: nerbot

Why is this video still doing the rounds? You do realize that it is fake? Originally made in 2006 using stock footage from a helicopter. The fraudster inserted the "missile" footage into the stock helo footage.

See following links. Note original uploader who created the fake in 2006 and side by side footage demonstrating that the "missile" strike was inserted.



Yes, the video of the claimed missile strike is faked.

As Paul Simon wrote, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". People want to believe in conspiracy, for whatever reason.

Aside from the evidence in the above post, it is very evident the two events are not the same. In the official video, the explosion is fiery and rises immediately. In the clip, the explosion is dusty (no flames) and is projected backwards into the flightpath. They are not the same event, even if both clips are genuine.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: samkent

Thats because there is a new crop of suckers to be fleeced ........

I thought LabTop gave up on this conspiracy years ago. He must have too much time invested in it and can't stop. All the contortions are mind boggling, missiles, overflights, passenger executions, radar operator errors, eyewitness errors, etc. So many moving parts that no conspirator would ever plan something as convoluted as this. If there is any conspiracy at all, it is that the suicide hijackers were allowed to succeed.

Why is this crap still on here? It has been debunked by some the best of ATS, and the thread title has become an eyesore.
Get over it.

I thought LabTop gave up on this conspiracy years ago. He must have too much time invested in it and can't stop. All the contortions are mind boggling, missiles, overflights, passenger executions, radar operator errors, eyewitness errors, etc. So many moving parts that no conspirator would ever plan something as convoluted as this. If there is any conspiracy at all, it is that the suicide hijackers were allowed to succeed.

a reply to: pteridine

Must have gone off his meds .........

originally posted by: pteridine
So many moving parts that no conspirator would ever plan something as convoluted as this. If there is any conspiracy at all, it is that the suicide hijackers were allowed to succeed.

Especially in the face of a true totalitarian regime like China that could carry out these things, in reality just simply weld you in your apartment.