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originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: SnowBox2022
or the ineptitude and secret hording of agencies pre 9/11 were criminal and the lack of institutionalized secret hording le this group of nobody's take down the baddest military in the world.
HUBRIS
The problem with most conspiracy is once you follow the chain it drifts off in a chaotic mess that implies true perfection of a large group of people with a rather massive logistics chain that all was prefect in orchestrating and now 20 years later still all silent... Never going to happen... Now if someone said Dick Cheney had a group that backed getting the hijackers here to perform their tasks I could believe that.
originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Xtrozero
If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.
originally posted by: McGinty
If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.
And those poor passengers and crew… if this were a conspiracy can we truly doubt that those powerful and ruthless enough to do such a thing would pause for even a moment before permanently disappearing all those people by whatever means and incinerating all remains? No, of course if this were a conspiracy then those passengers would be canon fodder in the greater cause of the hawks new American century plans. IF….
But to counter all of that, if conspirators were so ruthless as to disappear the entire passenger list and crew, then why would they bother with the whole smoke & mirrors of faking a plane crash with a cruise missile? They’d surely prefer to instead crash the real plane into the pentagon and avoid the chance of witnesses seeing a missile instead of a plane.
Taking out of context occum’s razor suggests that all of these possible scenarios are less probable than Al Qaeda terrorists did this.
And of course even if it really was Al Qaeda terrorists who’s to really say that at some point in the chain of events that led to 9/11 there was a CIA operative or two manipulating events in just this direction, via all their many means of coercion?
Definitive opinions on what happened that day will always be guesstimates at best
originally posted by: SnowBox2022
the fact of the matter is that on 9/11 a small hand full of people made BILLIONS of dollars in the stock market buyng a million to one odds put options on the air carriers that were used in the attack so that when the stock tanked they could make a TON of cash, but you would need to know at least the night before the attack.
there for it is a legit conspiracy at best and treason at worst
it was government ineptitude and power tripping that caused 9/11
people knew beforehand and there is the odd case of the so called 'dancing Israeli's' look that up if you want to see how real power works.
originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Xtrozero
If this were a conspiracy, then those with the recourses to do it would’ve probably had enough control over the site to make look appropriate for a plane crash and plant DNA, (or interfere with the samples later on) to reflect whatever results they want.
And those poor passengers and crew… if this were a conspiracy can we truly doubt that those powerful and ruthless enough to do such a thing would pause for even a moment before permanently disappearing all those people
by whatever means and incinerating all remains? No, of course if this were a conspiracy then those passengers would be canon fodder in the greater cause of the hawks new American century plans.
IF….
Indeed, it’s a debate that can go on without end simply because none of us are in possession of all the facts. Everything we know about it is secondhand at best.
But to counter all of that,
if conspirators were so ruthless as to disappear the entire passenger list and crew,
then why would they bother with the whole smoke & mirrors of faking a plane crash with a cruise missile?
They’d surely prefer to instead crash the real plane into the pentagon
and avoid the chance of witnesses seeing a missile instead of a plane.
The one huge obstacle would be either finding a pilot willing to die for the cause,
or finding a way of blackmailing a pilot that guarantees they’ll go through with it and won’t ditch.
Or, trusting a remote system that could take away pilot control, cut comms and hit the target.
Taking out of context occum’s razor suggests that all of these possible scenarios are less probable than Al Qaeda terrorists did this.
But in context and with hindsight of the US foreign policy that’s unrolled since, knowing that all the overseas action, attempted expansive empire building and highly lucrative business for the industrial-military complex could never have happened without 9/11 puts a permanent question mark over this period of recent history.
And of course even if it really was Al Qaeda terrorists who’s to really say that at some point in the chain of events that led to 9/11 there was a CIA operative or two manipulating events in just this direction, via all their many means of coercion?
Definitive opinions on what happened that day will always be guesstimates at best
originally posted by: WhatItIs
Inventing a scenario you hope explains the physical evidence is conjecture, not “evidence”.
originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: samkent
Thats because there is a new crop of suckers to be fleeced ........
a reply to: pteridine
I thought LabTop gave up on this conspiracy years ago. He must have too much time invested in it and can't stop. All the contortions are mind boggling, missiles, overflights, passenger executions, radar operator errors, eyewitness errors, etc. So many moving parts that no conspirator would ever plan something as convoluted as this. If there is any conspiracy at all, it is that the suicide hijackers were allowed to succeed.
originally posted by: pteridine
So many moving parts that no conspirator would ever plan something as convoluted as this. If there is any conspiracy at all, it is that the suicide hijackers were allowed to succeed.