Forgiving the Unrepentant

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: zosimov
I have done a thread arguing against the modern sentiment that the unrepentant must be forgiven automatically. I think it is non-Biblical

Jesus said; Forgive your brother when he repents

I'm not religious but still understand the point.

When you forgive, you are no longer allowing someone else to have control over you and your thoughts. Very basic stuff.

a reply to: JinMI

Another really great point.

There's so much good stuff so far in this thread.

a reply to: zosimov

Yes but do you think anyone cares if you forgive them. Anyone but you that is.

If somone hits me, I am the one who can leave the pain at the impact site or take it to heart...
it's my judgment of the transcured that leaves me in a state of needing to forgive anyone.
in my experience it's myself that needs forgiveness for being stupid enough to take something to heart that could be left outside, I spoil my inner peace. It's harder said than done and this whole covid fiasco certainly brought me to the limits.
I don't see my surroundings as the issue, most of them i really pitty, for being so sound asleep I can't for the sake of me blame them.
But...
Position of authority that can't proof they went against it should all be sentenced to death, people who have responsibility should be held accountable, otherwise we will never learn.

I don't hold a personal grudge so i have nothing to forgive, but we have the human rights and they have been treated like crap, I'm thinking this will be the straw that breaks the camels back, if nothing comes of Nuremberg the rule of law is death, and it's anarchy again....

I would actually welcome both scenarios, one can hope...

A little ‘as you would have them do unto you.’ Seems in order for the peeps holding public office who became drug pushers for big pharma.

Lock them down until they can prove their no longer a menace to society in the court of public opinion.

a reply to: JinMI

originally posted by: Dalamax
A little ‘as you would have them do unto you.’ Seems in order for the peeps holding public office who became drug pushers for big pharma.

Lock them down until they can prove their no longer a menace to society in the court of public opinion.

a reply to: JinMI

Oh, I have no sympathy or forgiveness for those in charge or positions of authority.

Lock them up, dispose of them as deemed necessary. I care not.

a reply to: zosimov

This is one of the reasons (besides I though you may like it) I translated that poem to English. I am ready to forgive the people that were led by fear and supported the draconian measurements that led to a lot of misery for many.

That is, if they want to be forgiven. I am not waiting for apologies and will not demand them. The people who, deep down, know exactly what they supported and know it wasn't right but somehow could justify it "for the greater good" when they were lied to by the MSM and politicians, will get my personal absolution, if they ask for it.

Hurt people, hurt. Loved people serve through love. I am personal worried about the current overall tone from those that now Schadenfreudian talk about how people who succumbed (or were forced) to the vax-mania hopefully get their packet to carry. That's the same kind of wrong than wishing harm onto the unvaccinated "because they deserve it".

I am willing to forgive, but only those that honestly show remorse and ask for it. Like JinMi wrote, not forgetting. But I am ready to forgive. Because for me personally it feels like, when a person learned and asks for forgiveness, I am not going to be crossed arms about it.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Thank you for translating and sharing your beautiful, wise words with me.





This thread has been therapeutic; hope others can find some solace in it as well--a big thank you to all!

We should be gracious in season and out of season. We should be forgiving even when we cannot find it in our hearts to feel so inclined. That is seventy times seven is Gods perfect number and it implies infinity.
I feel no less forgiving during the holiday season than any other. Knowing I am not perfect, if I had the jab and got sick I am sure I am forgiven for that should I ask.

Further if I do not get the jab which many have not, and also subsequently gotten very ill they too can be forgiven if they so choose to ask for such.

In other words, we are being tested by a power we cannot possibly comprehend. There are those on both sides of the jab who are sick and are not sick. I prefer to leave it up to God to decide on the final outcome.
There will be a reckoning for those who lied, and made billions off of this debacle. It is they who need prayer the most. They know not what they do

a reply to: zosimov

Doesn't withholding forgiveness make that person the same as those they refuse to forgive?

Unfortunately, there are OH so many already incapable of forgiveness. That's part of what is wrong with society today.

a reply to: zosimov

I take it you don't believe in the common welfare as a core principle of the US Constitution.

WE THE PEOPLE

By their phrasing, the founders made clear that they were creating a government, as Lincoln later put it, “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” They were making a case that government should strive for the common good, which they went on to lay out: “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty.”

Though they also laid out the rights of individuals that government couldn’t touch—speech, religion, the ability to read a free press, and so on—they made clear that there needed to be a balance. “Government is instituted for the common good…and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men,” John Adams wrote.

corg.iu.edu...

a reply to: FyreByrd
The government failed to provide for the common, or anyone's good.

ETA: The government did ensure the fatness of their own and their cronies pockets, I suppose they did look out for the good of a very select few

a reply to: Antisocialist

So you believe that a person is required to forgive the unrepentant or be guilty of equal offense?

Interesting.

Hi Nugget……Surprise!

We all have friends and loved ones hoodwinked that will stay that way.
Right now people are dropping like flys around us.
Little talk of why in this bluest of blue states but many of us know.
How have you been?

a reply to: nugget1

a reply to: zosimov

Yes, I do believe that.

By withholding forgiveness, one harbors resentment, anger and even hatred within their heart and that, my friend, is to the detriment of the person withholding that forgiveness.


Also, one has to realize, most of those you refer to have been subjected to massive amounts of brainwashing, leaving them unable to reason objectively.

a reply to: zosimov

You don't have to be perfect...you just have to try and forgive. Like honestly try not just a token attempt.

A little ditty by the dwarves.



a reply to: JinMI

a reply to: zosimov

I speak for most when I say our love, support and understanding goes to those who were coerced, in many ways, into taking this.

The people you wrote about did so much damage. Some by intent and some by an inexplicable stupidity and blindness.
As I write about them my hatred boils, and I'm trying to give advice on forgiveness.

Maybe looking at it as a battle for control of the energy that sways our private and community world. A committed warrior, a Samaria, to keep your heart kind and live peaceful able as in should be.

a reply to: Antisocialist

Forgiveness is not something one can demand. Forgiveness is something coming from the heart and can not be enforced. It's a bit like love, you can not fight against it or enforce it.

It's either there and coming from the heart, or not possible.

originally posted by: PiratesCut
Hi Nugget……Surprise!

How have you been?

a reply to: nugget1

So good to see you on the boards again, PC!! I have been doing my best to behave, but failing misserebly most of the time.

a reply to: zosimov

Forgiveness hasn't come into play in my way of thinking at all.
Everything you cited was both ignorant & evil. Do I feel the need to forgive them? Nope!

However I don't hate them either.
You expect a snake to be a snake, you expect the government to screw you over. It's the nature of the beast.

It's my job to not get run over or creamed while keeping as much money in my families pocket as possible, not let some other moron's idiocy kill me & raise ethical minded kids who don't dodge responsibility who can think critically.
Remove the prey, starve the predator.

Predators give zero-F's about their victims "feels".
Don't be the slowest impala on the savannah, don't waste energy on forgiveness. Make living well & long a priority!