Some thoughts on pyramids and the Great Flood

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

Insulation

power source

Lubrication

Electricity

Metal fabrication

Etc., it took Europeans thousands of years going by those tiny steps to reach steam power and later ICE which led to mechanical drills and saws*

The Roman's did use water power and others animal and human power to have 'machines'.

And yet, it wasn't by those tiny steps that they figured it out. The first electric motor used a combination of glass and brass.

thesplendorofthechurch.com...

The end could have been arrived at thousands of years before it was. Substitute volcanic glass for fabricated glass, and then substitute brass for..... well.... the brass...

Just requires someone to have time to look into it, and the curiosity.

...and had earlier research to rely on.


Yep but he didn't create an electric motor per se, he invented an electrostatic reaction motor. A small difference and that was in 1712 AD, so he was building on a long line of earlier discoveries. Could the ancient have done so? It's Possible! Is it Probable? Unknown, is it Plausible, Yes but no evidence exists that they did so and more importantly they didn't (based on current evidence) created electric motors.

a reply to: Hanslune

My point is that, if someone arrived at a brass and glass motor, they could go from there to develop electrical theory in a whole different direction. One that doesn't involve iron. One dominated by copper instead, and less concerned with magnetism. More focused on static electricity and vibration. You can still get to radio from there, perhaps just Morse Code style signals, but still a useable form of communication.

It would probably start with the discovery of a citrus plant/ limestone/ salt combination that arrives at a basic chemical battery. Someone mixes those things and feels a gentle electric shock. Then keeps mixing and touching.


It's hard to say what evidence to be looking for, though. Without knowing what to look for, the hypothesis is untestable. If someone figured out how to generate a strong voltage, or build up lots of static electricity on an object, the most practical early use would be hunting. Hit a mammoth with a sufficiently charged object and maybe its heart stops then and there. Or maybe it runs away. Or maybe copper wire, sufficiently charged, is actually able to keep mammoths penned, so you can eat them later?

There is a story in the Bible, in Chronicles, about a guy named Uzzah touching the Arc of the Covenant and immediately dying.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=With%20his%20brother%20Ahio%2C%20he,the%20Lord%20for%20his%20error.

That area of the Bible doesn't have a lot of supernatural stuff in it, and was probably intended as an official record of events for that time period, so I'm open to taking it a little more seriously.

Priests of all religions in ancient times loved to find novel technologies, and then use them for magic tricks. For example the "Aeolipile" ancient steam engine is believed to have been used as a door opener for a temple. A "temple wonder".

en.wikipedia.org...

I wonder if the Levite priests of that time had perhaps found secret knowledge, and knew how to make the arc carry a strong positive or negative charge? Anyone who touched it without proper insulation would immediately be shocked to death, and their god would seem all the more magical.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

Insulation

power source

Lubrication

Electricity

Metal fabrication

Etc., it took Europeans thousands of years going by those tiny steps to reach steam power and later ICE which led to mechanical drills and saws*

The Roman's did use water power and others animal and human power to have 'machines'.

And yet, it wasn't by those tiny steps that they figured it out. The first electric motor used a combination of glass and brass.

thesplendorofthechurch.com...

The end could have been arrived at thousands of years before it was. Substitute volcanic glass for fabricated glass, and then substitute brass for..... well.... the brass...

Just requires someone to have time to look into it, and the curiosity.

If you read the article you posted, you will see that electricity (electrostatic in this case - which was known at the time) had to be applied to this "motor." Further reading on this will show you that such a motor produces movement, yes, but not enough power to do any real work.
Further development of such a motor for anything useful would require about 500 guys standing around constantly rubbing glass (or amber) rods with cat fur, a situation notably missing from the historical record.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

Insulation

power source

Lubrication

Electricity

Metal fabrication

Etc., it took Europeans thousands of years going by those tiny steps to reach steam power and later ICE which led to mechanical drills and saws*

The Roman's did use water power and others animal and human power to have 'machines'.

And yet, it wasn't by those tiny steps that they figured it out. The first electric motor used a combination of glass and brass.

thesplendorofthechurch.com...

The end could have been arrived at thousands of years before it was. Substitute volcanic glass for fabricated glass, and then substitute brass for..... well.... the brass...

Just requires someone to have time to look into it, and the curiosity.

If you read the article you posted, you will see that electricity (electrostatic in this case - which was known at the time) had to be applied to this "motor." Further reading on this will show you that such a motor produces movement, yes, but not enough power to do any real work.
Further development of such a motor for anything useful would require about 500 guys standing around constantly rubbing glass (or amber) rods with cat fur, a situation notably missing from the historical record.

Harte

poor cats.





isn't volcanic glass obsidian?

there would be plenty glass with a meteor strike in the dessert sand.

like what the scarab in king tuts breastplate is made of.

originally posted by: sarahvital
isn't volcanic glass obsidian?

Yep

there would be plenty glass with a meteor strike in the dessert sand.

like what the scarab in king tuts breastplate is made of.

Scattered in tiny chunks all over a hundred square miles of land (and water.)

In any case, they didn't know how to make good clear glass until around 100 AD, though you don't get really good quality clear glass of the type we have today until much later.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

If you had a bit of leftover tech from a time before the cataclysm, that is a bit that had not been vandalized for useful bits. It would be to them higher technology which would equate to magic, and many legends and tales would be spun about it. Something like a simple generator worked by hand charging a capacitor would do the job. All the metal ties which held megalithic blocks together have been mostly mined for their metal. So whomsoever prised them out didn't know how to smelt had they forgotten?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

If you had a bit of leftover tech from a time before the cataclysm, that is a bit that had not been vandalized for useful bits. It would be to them higher technology which would equate to magic, and many legends and tales would be spun about it. Something like a simple generator worked by hand charging a capacitor would do the job. All the metal ties which held megalithic blocks together have been mostly mined for their metal. So whomsoever prised them out didn't know how to smelt had they forgotten?

No need to assume anything was forgotten. After all, you must admit that it's more efficient to re-use metal than to smelt it out of ore.
This happened all the time with copper and bronze tooling. Why wouldn't scavenging metal from abandoned sites make sense even for a culture with expertise in metallurgy?

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

Insulation

power source

Lubrication

Electricity

Metal fabrication

Etc., it took Europeans thousands of years going by those tiny steps to reach steam power and later ICE which led to mechanical drills and saws*

The Roman's did use water power and others animal and human power to have 'machines'.

And yet, it wasn't by those tiny steps that they figured it out. The first electric motor used a combination of glass and brass.

thesplendorofthechurch.com...

The end could have been arrived at thousands of years before it was. Substitute volcanic glass for fabricated glass, and then substitute brass for..... well.... the brass...

Just requires someone to have time to look into it, and the curiosity.

If you read the article you posted, you will see that electricity (electrostatic in this case - which was known at the time) had to be applied to this "motor." Further reading on this will show you that such a motor produces movement, yes, but not enough power to do any real work.
Further development of such a motor for anything useful would require about 500 guys standing around constantly rubbing glass (or amber) rods with cat fur, a situation notably missing from the historical record.

Harte

The motor was a critical step in the history of the discovery of modern electrical theory. It didn't do anything all that great on its own. That is true.

But how much knowledge do you think it was building on? Static electricity from rubbing amber (discovered by the ancient Greeks) would have been known to attract lint from very early on. I don't think Andreas Gordon was working off of much more than that when he came up with the motor.

My point being: the whole "series of progression" is hard to apply here. Time elapsed because nobody was showing any interest. Not because it took twenty generations of dedicated research.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: Hanslune

Insulation

power source

Lubrication

Electricity

Metal fabrication

Etc., it took Europeans thousands of years going by those tiny steps to reach steam power and later ICE which led to mechanical drills and saws*

The Roman's did use water power and others animal and human power to have 'machines'.

And yet, it wasn't by those tiny steps that they figured it out. The first electric motor used a combination of glass and brass.

thesplendorofthechurch.com...

The end could have been arrived at thousands of years before it was. Substitute volcanic glass for fabricated glass, and then substitute brass for..... well.... the brass...

Just requires someone to have time to look into it, and the curiosity.

If you read the article you posted, you will see that electricity (electrostatic in this case - which was known at the time) had to be applied to this "motor." Further reading on this will show you that such a motor produces movement, yes, but not enough power to do any real work.
Further development of such a motor for anything useful would require about 500 guys standing around constantly rubbing glass (or amber) rods with cat fur, a situation notably missing from the historical record.

Harte

The motor was a critical step in the history of the discovery of modern electrical theory. It didn't do anything all that great on its own. That is true.

But how much knowledge do you think it was building on? Static electricity from rubbing amber (discovered by the ancient Greeks) would have been known to attract lint from very early on. I don't think Andreas Gordon was working off of much more than that when he came up with the motor.

My point being: the whole "series of progression" is hard to apply here. Time elapsed because nobody was showing any interest. Not because it took twenty generations of dedicated research.

The problem might well have been that the scientific method had not yet been developed.
Hard to overstate the impact of the development of the scientific method.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

My point being: the whole "series of progression" is hard to apply here. Time elapsed because nobody was showing any interest. Not because it took twenty generations of dedicated research.

....well because why do so if you have lots of easy to use labor? Which they also had in ancient times. Okay lets try this what tool/machine/thing do you think the ancient invented without a series of progression - they just created it on x date and proceeded along. Now I'm asking because we can then look at what was necessary for such a 'thing' to be made what resources or techniques were required.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Doesn't the Antiklithyra mechanism prove that someone knew that the planets moved like a clock and even the moon seemed to slow down and speed up with a regularity? That was even before someone made this calculator. It smells of industrial technology and way more knowledge than they were supposed to have.

a reply to: anonentity

It's a fascinating mechanical device, yes. From what has been deduced, not all that accurate however.

People have been observing the movement of the planets for a very long time. It was important, after all, for agriculture and later for honoring gods and stuff. It didn't take high tech, just careful observation. They got quite good at predicting those movements even though they didn't really understand how it worked (the Greeks had a geocentric view of the universe). Creating a device to (sort of) mimic those movements through the use of various sized gears was ingenious (as well as displaying a high degree of craftsmanship) no doubt.

dlib.nyu.edu...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: anonentity

It's a fascinating mechanical device, yes. From what has been deduced, not all that accurate however.

People have been observing the movement of the planets for a very long time. It was important, after all, for agriculture and later for gods and stuff. It didn't take high tech, just careful observation. They got quite good at predicting those movements even though they didn't really understand how it worked (the Greeks had a geocentric view of the universe). Creating a device to (sort of) mimic those movements through the use of various sized gears was ingenious (as well as displaying impressive craftsmanship) no doubt.

Yeah that they got the main point, geocentric wrong, and it does casts shade on their scientific knowledge but the device itself is a high point in mechanical and mathematical knowledge (for that time).

a reply to: Hanslune

It actually took some higher tech (like Galileo's telescope) to demonstrate that yes, the Earth moves and the planets are worlds.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Hanslune

It actually took some higher tech (like Galileo's telescope) to demonstrate that yes, the Earth moves.

- which is very questionable .

a reply to: lonerpt

Indeed. I can't feel it move (except during some very special moments.)

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: lonerpt

Indeed. I can't feel it move (except during some very special moments.)

i feel for you , grin

as for her supposed 'movement' -
that is but a Trick instigated by 'modern science' .

again please ,
the pyramid was built as victory monument about the fall of Eden

depicting in all her buildup The Other Reality

the queen's chamber -- eden
the 7 fold stairway
which is 'the Nile , as the river which the Dragon made' in Ezekiel
stealing all of the eden paradise aspects

towards 'the kings chamber'
their paradise in this solarplane

the fcking beings -- whatever it were --
made a monument imprisoning US in THEIR fake reality !
imprisoning us by anchoring us into 'Orion' and 'the polar star' !

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Hanslune

It actually took some higher tech (like Galileo's telescope) to demonstrate that yes, the Earth moves and the planets are worlds.

Hey they moved! Cool!