HIV not causing AIDS

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Glad you now accept that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Still a single line, from a single scientist doesn't really support your conclusion.

I think you are making some more strawman arguments and you make claims on my behalf that I have never made.

The final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry and the dogma comes from the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of the WHO Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

It just annihilates the entire dogma created back in the 80s in two sentences.

What argument are you disputing you made?

And again no a single line, from a single scientist with no context is not any kind of nail?

Let's see this again:

Dr James Chin, Head of Global Surveillance, WHO

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

Nothing is taken out of context. I see you make even more desperate attempts now.

That's the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

You can keep saying that as often as you like.

It doesn't make it true.

Are you now confirming that you understand HIV is the cause of AIDS?

I understand very well the syndrome. Some others here dont understand what they are talking about calling whoever doesn't fit their narrative as 'unqualified' and just 'one scientist'.

What qualifications do you have by the way??

I recall that you claimed the same thing about Dr Malhotra sometime ago as he was arguing that all vaccinations must pause.

So let the audience know who has proven that AIDS is caused by HIV? I want the name of the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving the causative link. I am sure you know...

What are your qualifications? Are medical qualifications required to discuss the topic?

a reply to: ScepticScot

So you think media sites are lying when they write about this ?

Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot

So you think media sites are lying when they write about this ?

Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits

I think confirmation bias is a thing

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originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot

So you think media sites are lying when they write about this ?

Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits

Also good you are now accepting that AIDS is caused by HIV.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Glad you now accept that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Still a single line, from a single scientist doesn't really support your conclusion.

I think you are making some more strawman arguments and you make claims on my behalf that I have never made.

The final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry and the dogma comes from the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of the WHO Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

It just annihilates the entire dogma created back in the 80s in two sentences.

What argument are you disputing you made?

And again no a single line, from a single scientist with no context is not any kind of nail?

Let's see this again:

Dr James Chin, Head of Global Surveillance, WHO

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

Nothing is taken out of context. I see you make even more desperate attempts now.

That's the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

You can keep saying that as often as you like.

It doesn't make it true.

Are you now confirming that you understand HIV is the cause of AIDS?

I understand very well the syndrome. Some others here dont understand what they are talking about calling whoever doesn't fit their narrative as 'unqualified' and just 'one scientist'.

What qualifications do you have by the way??

I recall that you claimed the same thing about Dr Malhotra sometime ago as he was arguing that all vaccinations must pause.

So let the audience know who has proven that AIDS is caused by HIV? I want the name of the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving the causative link. I am sure you know...

What are your qualifications? Are medical qualifications required to discuss the topic?

Well I am interested to see what you have as you seem to dismiss everything that doesn't fit your narrative and dogma and then start claiming that scientists are 'unqualified' or are irresponsible, quacks, charlatans, crackpots, etc.

Now if you try to dismiss the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of WHO, Dr James Chin, then you put yourself in a very difficult position just as you have done on many occasions.

Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

And this is the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

a reply to: ScepticScot


The threat of a global Aids epidemic is over, say experts


So let`s see....are you going to repeat that ridiculous accusation also with daily mail writer ?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Who has proven HIV cause AIDS?

You should know the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving causation.

I know who for the Novel Prize for the discovery of the virus.

Luc Montagnier and Francoise-Barre Sinoussi

It's your turn now

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Glad you now accept that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Still a single line, from a single scientist doesn't really support your conclusion.

I think you are making some more strawman arguments and you make claims on my behalf that I have never made.

The final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry and the dogma comes from the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of the WHO Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

It just annihilates the entire dogma created back in the 80s in two sentences.

What argument are you disputing you made?

And again no a single line, from a single scientist with no context is not any kind of nail?

Let's see this again:

Dr James Chin, Head of Global Surveillance, WHO

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

Nothing is taken out of context. I see you make even more desperate attempts now.

That's the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

You can keep saying that as often as you like.

It doesn't make it true.

Are you now confirming that you understand HIV is the cause of AIDS?

I understand very well the syndrome. Some others here dont understand what they are talking about calling whoever doesn't fit their narrative as 'unqualified' and just 'one scientist'.

What qualifications do you have by the way??

I recall that you claimed the same thing about Dr Malhotra sometime ago as he was arguing that all vaccinations must pause.

So let the audience know who has proven that AIDS is caused by HIV? I want the name of the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving the causative link. I am sure you know...

What are your qualifications? Are medical qualifications required to discuss the topic?

Well I am interested to see what you have as you seem to dismiss everything that doesn't fit your narrative and dogma and then start claiming that scientists are 'unqualified' or are irresponsible, quacks, charlatans, crackpots, etc.

Now if you try to dismiss the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of WHO, Dr James Chin, then you out yourself in a very difficult position just as you have done on many occasions.

I discussed your interpretation of a single line, from a single scientist with no context.

And i am curious how you think the quote supports any claim that HIV isn't the case of AIDS.

a reply to: ScepticScot


Keep on dreaming , the test are know to be total joke.

HIV tests a farce? False HIV positives produced by western blot tests

I find that one link like in 10 second by typing to search engine...


66 Reasons to Think Twice About HIV Tests

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot


The threat of a global Aids epidemic is over, say experts


So let`s see....are you going to repeat that ridiculous accusation also with daily mail writer ?

Please show where that article supports your claim in this thread that AIDS is not caused by HIV then we can see who is being ridiculous.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot


Keep on dreaming , the test are know to be total joke.

HIV tests a farce? False HIV positives produced by western blot tests

I find that one link like in 10 second by typing to search engine...

Got this just as quickly.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Glad you now accept that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Still a single line, from a single scientist doesn't really support your conclusion.

I think you are making some more strawman arguments and you make claims on my behalf that I have never made.

The final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry and the dogma comes from the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of the WHO Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

It just annihilates the entire dogma created back in the 80s in two sentences.

What argument are you disputing you made?

And again no a single line, from a single scientist with no context is not any kind of nail?

Let's see this again:

Dr James Chin, Head of Global Surveillance, WHO

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

Nothing is taken out of context. I see you make even more desperate attempts now.

That's the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

You can keep saying that as often as you like.

It doesn't make it true.

Are you now confirming that you understand HIV is the cause of AIDS?

I understand very well the syndrome. Some others here dont understand what they are talking about calling whoever doesn't fit their narrative as 'unqualified' and just 'one scientist'.

What qualifications do you have by the way??

I recall that you claimed the same thing about Dr Malhotra sometime ago as he was arguing that all vaccinations must pause.

So let the audience know who has proven that AIDS is caused by HIV? I want the name of the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving the causative link. I am sure you know...

What are your qualifications? Are medical qualifications required to discuss the topic?

Well I am interested to see what you have as you seem to dismiss everything that doesn't fit your narrative and dogma and then start claiming that scientists are 'unqualified' or are irresponsible, quacks, charlatans, crackpots, etc.

Now if you try to dismiss the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of WHO, Dr James Chin, then you out yourself in a very difficult position just as you have done on many occasions.

I discussed your interpretation of a single line, from a single scientist with no context.

And i am curious how you think the quote supports any claim that HIV isn't the case of AIDS.

It isn't my interpretation though.

The words by Dr James Chin are clear.
The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of getting infected by HIV.

Later in the same video Professor James Curran says that remarkably it's difficult to transmit HIV.

So if most people are in no measurable risk of getting infected and transmit HIV you can't have the epidemics and pandemics the AIDS establishment was projecting back in the 80s and every other preposterous arguments that entire populations will be decimated.

So who is it who gets credit for proving causation of AIDS by HIV?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot


The threat of a global Aids epidemic is over, say experts


So let`s see....are you going to repeat that ridiculous accusation also with daily mail writer ?

Please show where that article supports your claim in this thread that AIDS is not caused by HIV then we can see who is being ridiculous.

Who has proven that HIV causes AIDS?

That's the first question to be answered before going in depth in this.

You are directing the question to the other member but I am asking you to do first things first...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Glad you now accept that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Still a single line, from a single scientist doesn't really support your conclusion.

I think you are making some more strawman arguments and you make claims on my behalf that I have never made.

The final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry and the dogma comes from the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of the WHO Dr James Chin

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

It just annihilates the entire dogma created back in the 80s in two sentences.

What argument are you disputing you made?

And again no a single line, from a single scientist with no context is not any kind of nail?

Let's see this again:

Dr James Chin, Head of Global Surveillance, WHO

The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of HIV infection

Nothing is taken out of context. I see you make even more desperate attempts now.

That's the final nail in the coffin for the AIDS Industry.

You can keep saying that as often as you like.

It doesn't make it true.

Are you now confirming that you understand HIV is the cause of AIDS?

I understand very well the syndrome. Some others here dont understand what they are talking about calling whoever doesn't fit their narrative as 'unqualified' and just 'one scientist'.

What qualifications do you have by the way??

I recall that you claimed the same thing about Dr Malhotra sometime ago as he was arguing that all vaccinations must pause.

So let the audience know who has proven that AIDS is caused by HIV? I want the name of the scientist or scientists who got credit for proving the causative link. I am sure you know...

What are your qualifications? Are medical qualifications required to discuss the topic?

Well I am interested to see what you have as you seem to dismiss everything that doesn't fit your narrative and dogma and then start claiming that scientists are 'unqualified' or are irresponsible, quacks, charlatans, crackpots, etc.

Now if you try to dismiss the ex Head of the Global Surveillance of WHO, Dr James Chin, then you out yourself in a very difficult position just as you have done on many occasions.

I discussed your interpretation of a single line, from a single scientist with no context.

And i am curious how you think the quote supports any claim that HIV isn't the case of AIDS.

It isn't my interpretation though.

The words by Dr James Chin are clear.
The vast majority of the world's population is at no measurable risk of getting infected by HIV.

Later in the same video Professor James Curran says that remarkably it's difficult to transmit HIV.

So if most people are in no measurable risk of getting infected and transmit HIV you can't have the epidemics and pandemics the AIDS establishment was projecting back in the 80s and every other preposterous arguments that entire populations will be decimated.

So who is it who gets credit for proving causation of AIDS by HIV?

The statement doesn't support the claims in this thread.

Repetition doesn't change that!

a reply to: ScepticScot

This discussion , which startet later in this topic was that the virus is not dangerous to heterosexual women, then we started debate about it, then at some point we point to you experts saying it. We give you sources, but you just keep on this ridiculous denying that nobody is expert or saying truth, then you attack also journalist . What are you smoking ?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot


The threat of a global Aids epidemic is over, say experts


So let`s see....are you going to repeat that ridiculous accusation also with daily mail writer ?

Please show where that article supports your claim in this thread that AIDS is not caused by HIV then we can see who is being ridiculous.

Who has proven that HIV causes AIDS?

That's the first question to be answered before going in depth in this.

You are directing the question to the other member but I am asking you to do first things first...

Is this the third or fourth paper I have provided on how HIV attacks t-cells?

bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com...

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot

This discussion , which startet later in this topic was that the virus is not dangerous to heterosexual women, then we started debate about it, then at some point we point to you experts saying it. We give you sources, but you just keep on this ridiculous denying that nobody is expert or saying truth, then you attack also journalist . What are you smoking ?

Yes this was the expert.

Heterosexual transmission of HIV – Nancy Padian, PhD
HIV is unquestionably transmitted through heterosexual intercourse. Indeed, heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 70-80% of all HIV transmissions worldwide (2). The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32% (2, 3), and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1% (2). These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact. In developing countries, particularly those in sub-Saharan Africa, several factors (co-infection with other sexually transmitted diseases, circumcision practices, poor acceptance of condoms, patterns of sexual partner selection, locally circulating viral subtypes, high viral loads among those who are infected, etc.) can increase the likelihood of heterosexual transmission to 20% or even higher (4). Evidence that specifically documents the heterosexual transmission of HIV comes from studies of HIV-discordant couples (i.e., couples in a stable, monogamous relationship where one partner is infected and the other is not); over time, HIV transmission occurs (5). Other studies have traced the transmission of HIV through networks of sexual partners (6-9). Additional evidence comes from intervention studies that, for example, promote condom use or encourage reductions in the numbers of sexual partners: the documented success of these interventions is because they prevent the sexual transmission of HIV (1,10,11).

In short, the evidence for the sexual transmission of HIV is well documented, conclusive, and based on the standard, uncontroversial methods and practices of medical science. Individuals who cite the 1997 Padian et al. publication (1) or data from other studies by our research group in an attempt to substantiate the myth that HIV is not transmitted sexually are ill informed, at best. Their misuse of these results is misleading, irresponsible, and potentially injurious to the public

Not saying what you claim.

It is good however that you have moved from your ridiculous claim that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Then please say where is say that , you are again twisting everything. That study and the other experts show that the risk to certain groups are extremely low, and the importance to bring it to this discussion is obviously because it is in conflict with the official AIDS narrative. I have not sayed anything that i would have changed my position from OP .

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot

This discussion , which startet later in this topic was that the virus is not dangerous to heterosexual women, then we started debate about it, then at some point we point to you experts saying it. We give you sources, but you just keep on this ridiculous denying that nobody is expert or saying truth, then you attack also journalist . What are you smoking ?

Yes this was the expert.

Heterosexual transmission of HIV – Nancy Padian, PhD
HIV is unquestionably transmitted through heterosexual intercourse. Indeed, heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 70-80% of all HIV transmissions worldwide (2). The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32% (2, 3), and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1% (2). These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact. In developing countries, particularly those in sub-Saharan Africa, several factors (co-infection with other sexually transmitted diseases, circumcision practices, poor acceptance of condoms, patterns of sexual partner selection, locally circulating viral subtypes, high viral loads among those who are infected, etc.) can increase the likelihood of heterosexual transmission to 20% or even higher (4). Evidence that specifically documents the heterosexual transmission of HIV comes from studies of HIV-discordant couples (i.e., couples in a stable, monogamous relationship where one partner is infected and the other is not); over time, HIV transmission occurs (5). Other studies have traced the transmission of HIV through networks of sexual partners (6-9). Additional evidence comes from intervention studies that, for example, promote condom use or encourage reductions in the numbers of sexual partners: the documented success of these interventions is because they prevent the sexual transmission of HIV (1,10,11).

In short, the evidence for the sexual transmission of HIV is well documented, conclusive, and based on the standard, uncontroversial methods and practices of medical science. Individuals who cite the 1997 Padian et al. publication (1) or data from other studies by our research group in an attempt to substantiate the myth that HIV is not transmitted sexually are ill informed, at best. Their misuse of these results is misleading, irresponsible, and potentially injurious to the public

Not saying what you claim.

It is good however that you have moved from your ridiculous claim that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

This is another strawman.

I haven't made any claim myself.

If you think that HIV causes AIDS on its own then you should be able to tell me who proved that HIV causes AIDS and not asserted as a fact.

Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize winner for the invention of PCR was looking for many years and still couldn't find who gets credit for the casuation of AIDS by HIV. Actually he said that there is nothing into it.
He came to the conclusion that there is not enough evidence to prove causation just as many others.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ScepticScot


The threat of a global Aids epidemic is over, say experts


So let`s see....are you going to repeat that ridiculous accusation also with daily mail writer ?

Please show where that article supports your claim in this thread that AIDS is not caused by HIV then we can see who is being ridiculous.

Who has proven that HIV causes AIDS?

That's the first question to be answered before going in depth in this.

You are directing the question to the other member but I am asking you to do first things first...

Is this the third or fourth paper I have provided on how HIV attacks t-cells?

bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com...

That's not the same as telling me who has proved causation of AIDS by HIV.

What is his/her name? Do you have an idea? Because it's pretty strange that you don't know the scientist(s) given that you say you know a lot about the syndrome. Going around and making desperate attempts to find some articles about models of causation isn't the same as pointing to who gets credit for proving HIV causes AIDS.