Flat earth, a conspiracy to discredit conspiracies?

a reply to: Terpene
Did they ever say which country was at each end of the earth?

a reply to: futurehobo

Flat earth, I believe, was started to discredit the Hollow Earth. And therefore both can be considered whacked out conspiracy theories. Even the Ancients depicted the solar system as sphere's, not postage stamps floating in space.

a reply to: RookQueen

Lol, I like that. Stick Earth...

a reply to: Gothmog

No one said science isn't real but it has been wrong just to get it wrong again and will be wrong many times to come, science is only a tool it's not a doctrine, but the way you use a simple truth about fluid dynamics in 0 gravity to siffle an admittedly silly debate, certainly sounds like indoctrination.

Have you observed fluid dynamics in 0G for yourself? I guess we will just have to thrust that no one would lie to us in order to make profits...

And we get back to blind faith.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

I believe, was started to discredit the Hollow Earth. And therefore both can be considered whacked out conspiracy theories.

how do you conclude that both can be considered whacked out if one is made to discredit the other? That would imply that one holds credit...

Even a hollow earth would look round, seen from outside...

This is actually a very interesting idea, and there could be something to it.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

How could there be something to this?

Ands if so what exactly, given the evidence that blows flat earth theory out the water?

I definitely think it's been allowed to flourish to discredit conspiracy theorists. As OP implied, it's kinda a myth that flat earth was ever widely believed. It was sorta a fringe theory believed by some protestants in the 1800's in the UK and USA based on their belief the Bible said the world to be flat. The Torah kinda vaguely implies it is, but early Christians didn't interpret it this way from the beginning anyway.

One thing that gets me about secular flat earth theories is that the whole claim that flat earth is part of a conspiracy to "hoax space" as part of some scheme for NASA to make money doesn't even make internally consistent sense. If space wasn't real, and you were gonna fabricate this "space" concept to the entire world—to build it from scratch, so to speak—you wouldn't have to ALSO fabricate the shape of the earth. If the earth was flat, you wouldn't have to make it a globe as part of this "space" hoax. So it's just extra effort for no reason whatsoever.

a reply to: futurehobo

I had a discussion with an NPC at work about conspiracies. basically anything he hears from the MSM he believes, especially if its from CNN or MSNBC. Pro vaxx, pro global warming, no way the government is corrupt, yada yada yada. Conspiracy theorists are crazy to him. Aliens don't exist. He thinks he's well informed and if he can live blissfully like that and be happy and not ever question what he's told so be it. I said the flat earth and Hollow earth were created by the government to discredit actual conspiracies and his response was that the flat earth was a theory for thousands of years until several hundred years ago. He's right, he just has no insight into why its a theory still around and who is behind it today.

a reply to: Terpene

Science is a process through which we can draw conclusions. Finding out that conclusions were wrong is also science.

Science isn't blind faith, it's following a metholdology that can be reproduced. It means that people don't have to start from the beginning every time, because someone else did documented work in advance.

I don't have to do fluid dynamics in 0g to understand how fluid dynamics works in 0g, I can look into what other people have done. If their methodology or logic is flawed then I can point that out. Reading what other people have done, learning how to understand it and critically examine it isn't indoctrination, it's the scientific process. If a debate is stifled with facts, then there was no debate to be had.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

If a debate is stifled with facts, then there was no debate to be had.

Certainly not a scientific one, there are many forms of debates where facts might not be the sole argument.

You sound like you think facts are a settled debate, that's rather presumptuous.

And as you said these facts could be wrong, kind of like innocent until proven guilty , doesn't mean they're innocent after all...

We might as well call them temporary facts, as they are more of an agreement on the best working model available to describe what we observe. They might still be totally off in their assessment.

The social dynamic is very interesting in these fringe threads, and I don't think it's deliberate by the posters. I guess it's the same underlying problem as with religion.
The need for reliable constant answers, contrary to change being the only constant. Combine science with conservationism, and you'll end up with a new inquisition.

Of course, if it doesn't work, like the flat earth model, it's just that a silly believe. Even they are interesting to ponder, and sincerely the flatsies are quite a scientific bunch and they show very astutely how preconceived bias can lead you to totally false conclusion.
We are not safe from that fallacy yet

a reply to: Terpene

I didn't say facts could be wrong, I said conclusions could be wrong. Opinions can be up for discussion, facts are not. Science as a process allows us to determine where conclusions have been drawn inappropriately, or are inadequate explanations for observable phenomena.

Objects falling towards Earth are a fact. What causes that is a different matter. The consensus, based upon empirical and repeatable experimentation is that an inherent property of mass causes objects to be attracted to one another. There have been numerous tweaks to that consensus over time. Newton's original verson is not wrong, just incomplete. Other research fills the gaps.

To get back on topic, the shape of the Earth is an established fact. Flat earth morons have no other explanation that makes any sense. Why there are flat Earth morons is another matter. The idea that it is a product of some wider conspiracy, rather than just gullibility, stupidity and a mistrust of anyone using long words is an opinion, but not one supported by actual facts.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Ok, so facts are observations we all observe the same way?

Like the sky is blue, water is wet, the why is where science comes in...

When quantum physics implies that the mere act of observing a fact changes said fact, combined with some other scientific experiments where water cristals pattern react to diffrent thaughts, I'm starting to suspect there is more to the reason certain debates are not to be had publicly. Reality could be one fickle bitch.

To those of you who disagree with the flat earth argument: How many hours have you spent actually researching this topic?

I myself have different view, which is this take your own outlook views and set them aside. Conduct your own tests simple tests. And remember sea level key point .in Construction water levels a very interesting piece of knowledge. And viewing from airplane all portholes windows are curved accept in the last 3 rows in back end of plane. I have conducted many tests to form a factual concise answer. Since this is a very easy thing to test as all answers are in front of us. It is unusual how freedom was taken with out a fight .I guess people are in need of being instructed can not think out side the box. If I told you you thought told educated was all lies you would take a stand on your beliefs and fight .I am a AMERICAN proud and have had know one have Gods rule over me. I answer to God .Keep in mind slaves to the grind canon law artical 100 this not to debate only to open your mind than read canons knowledge is power

I don't know if the earth if flat or a globe. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me.

I will say, however, that standing on a mountain looking out hundreds of miles over the horizon, you should be able to see the curvature on the horizontal horizon plane.

Which I have done, and saw no curvature.

But, like I said, as long as my plane reaches it's intended destination, it makes no difference to me if the world is flat or round.

a reply to: futurehobo

Well I know a couple of people that have started believing it, and it seems to be because they've "woke up" due to the Covid narrative etc., and now they're questioning EVERYTHING. Its kind of like, "oh if that theory was true, I guess they ALL are!" Or something like that.

Hey, I have been calling BS on nthe covid narrative and vaccine since the beginning. So I did visit a couple of flat earth websites. How can I dismiss something I haven't investigated? So I investigated and sorry, but the "proof" flat earth offers is non-existent. A picture of a flag lake.... Um, I think you're forgetting the sheer SCALE of the earth?

originally posted by: lambros56
I thought flat earth was crazy but started looking into it about seven years ago.
The earth doesn’t rotate and there’s no curvature so it’s flat in my opinion.
If you do the research you’ll find it really hard to prove the earth is a globe other than what you get from space agencies.
Any of you willing to look into it should take a look at Globebusters 24/7 on YouTube. Loads of proof of a flat non-routing earth.
Don’t bother with “The flat earth society “. You’ll give up after five minutes.
Flat earth Dave interviews is good too. Loads of videos but you’ve really got to look into it. The movement has really picked up.

People who flew the Concorde - up to 80,000 feet, witnessed the curvature, good enough for me.

a reply to: HUSARIA

Me, I have followed FE threads for ages.

And all the actual detailed research that debunks it.

Mostly out of morbid curiosity, mind.

The number one reason they tell us we are on a globe is to take God out of the equation. Look up general Byrd and look up I think Magellan who tried sailing around Antarctica, but could never get around the ice wall.