Welp- that didn't take long...

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: namehere

This isn't about paper ballots. Pay attention. This is a machine that is having a 20% rejection rate. 20% rejection is not acceptable under any standards for this sort of mechanism. Then to add to it this isn't about counting rejected paper ballots, it's about how these ballots are being secured after removed from the box #3 and when they will be counted.

If they were properly handled from the start because they knew they were all going to be paper ballots then that is fine. We would all know they mechanism and understand how security is being handle. They would have the people ready to deal with the large number of paper ballots. But they do not have a mechanism that they have conveyed to anyone that proves they will be able to handle this level of rejection and they certainly didn't expect a 20% rejection and have the proper people in the numbers required to handle this.


It's also about why some people find this sort of incompetence acceptable.

sounds to me like people being stupid and filling out ballots wrong again, sure seems like paper ballots being an issue.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
maricopa again, I am shocked.

THose machines are not safe, those machines are only as reliable and honest as the people that set them up and load the software, considering most voting regions are handled by volunteers well how do you find the bad and fix the problems, well you call dominion and hope the techs are good honest people.

Soros, Gates and Zuckerberg have spent millions to man polling places with Democrats.

The whole process stinks. 👎🏻

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: TrueAmerican

My question is what happens when bin #3 fills up with ballots to the point no more can be slid in to it? Do they replace that bin? How is that secured? What do they do with removed bin while waiting for the end of the night so they can take it to be counted?

Damn good questions, and your guess is as good as mine. Dunno.

But I am reading other reports of severely under equipped voting places, causing long lines, horrible wait times, and people leaving, Never thought of that. If they suspected a red wave, simply under equip the voting place. On purpose. They gotta be paying people to come up with these ideas. With two years to prepare, this is gross incompetence, or flat out election fraud. No. Just no.

who wanted paper ballots? only yourselves to blame for these issues. if people could vote online none of this would be an issue.

How would you (they) stop double voting IP Address spoofing? 😀

originally posted by: Ohanka
Voting machines should be outlawed.

No other country uses them to such an extent. With the notable exception of Venezeula, which is a dictatorship whose elections are a complete joke. Tells you all you need to know really.

The rest of the world gets by just fine with paper and pen.

most actual democracies have gone digital already, only authoritarian states pretending to be democracies still use paper.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

That is just one of many fronts in this contention. It is a big job organizing an election, for those that do do not much ground has been made from the last election. While there is chance, may god bless America. Until then, I will believe it when I see it.

With the current trend of things, the dems have no where else to go. They are so backed into a corner they have no where else to go. Except run with their delusions. I will pass from that track. They are scared of being accountable. Easier to steal another election than face Nuremberg 2. It is all on the line for them...

The touchscreens are out of alignment on purpose !!!!! 😧

a reply to: namehere

Loool how do you not fill it out correctly? It should be nothing more than a position with 2 or more boxes that clearly says tick one. People who want to protest vote or spoil the ballot will already know how.

America land of the free! Bastion of Democracy! With suspicious voting machines, highly irregular counting practices, unusually abundant mail votes, corrupt election officials, a total lack of transparency and overly complex ballots!

What a joke. Banana Republic Democracy.

I’m looking forward for when it fully manifests for 2024 where the Democrat candidate gets 300% of the vote.

a reply to: namehere

They claim, for now, it's the printer printed the ballots incorrectly for the machine to read it. Again, trying to claim this is what people wanted with paper ballots doesn't solve this. This is a problem with officials not doing things correctly whether it's a scanner or printer.

It isn't as if computer or booth voting doesn't have its own problems as well. These problems are usually caused by election workers not mitigating problems and general apathy.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

I loved seeing the lady walk away after saying "I don't trust those boxes"! And the guy filming saying "we don't want adjudication ". Awesome!

My polling place was packed, more than I've ever seen before. Everyone in high spirits. No problems with the machines. For now anyway...

I'm concerned -- paying attention ‐- but not worried. Everyone in Karizona knows there will be hell to pay if there's even a whiff of doubt. They may still try, but I'm confident if that happens we've got real fighters -- with legal standing -- ready to open a can of whoopass..

We're

a reply to: namehere

The actual democracies being the US, a corrupt corporate oligarchy and Venezuela, a single party dictatorship?

Digital just enables fraud. Harder to cheat with paper since people notice pre-filled boxes or burning ballots pretty quickly.

I'm sure this is a breaking news story at CNN, right? Right?

a reply to: Boadicea

That is my concern. There is general apathy here among the election officials and I am worried some if it isn't just them being lazy, stupid workers, but that some of this may be because it serves the purpose of saying, "look at all these election deniers in Arizona who never accept a vote and even have deniers on the ballot" and then dismissing the entire State's count as a nothing burger.

This could really serve both sides very well if played properly from a PR standpoint.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: TrueAmerican

My question is what happens when bin #3 fills up with ballots to the point no more can be slid in to it? Do they replace that bin? How is that secured? What do they do with removed bin while waiting for the end of the night so they can take it to be counted?

Damn good questions, and your guess is as good as mine. Dunno.

But I am reading other reports of severely under equipped voting places, causing long lines, horrible wait times, and people leaving, Never thought of that. If they suspected a red wave, simply under equip the voting place. On purpose. They gotta be paying people to come up with these ideas. With two years to prepare, this is gross incompetence, or flat out election fraud. No. Just no.

who wanted paper ballots? only yourselves to blame for these issues. if people could vote online none of this would be an issue.

How would you (they) stop double voting IP Address spoofing? 😀

it can happen with physical voting already so what's your point? every voting method has flaws, if we take that to its logical conclusion then we might as well give up on voting for anything, since no method is perfect.

a reply to: namehere

No, We have to stop saying the problem is with one form of voting or the problem isn't a problem, so nothing to see here.
We have to start requiring that election officials can not be this incompetent and not have some sort of consequences.

And we have to stop thinking things will change or be better when we never actually address what went wrong to begin with.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: namehere

The actual democracies being the US, a corrupt corporate oligarchy and Venezuela, a single party dictatorship?

Digital just enables fraud. Harder to cheat with paper since people notice pre-filled boxes or burning ballots pretty quickly.

not anymore than paper ballots do.

a reply to: namehere

🤣🤣🤣hit the gas and shift the gears

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: namehere

No, We have to stop saying the problem is with one form of voting or the problem isn't a problem, so nothing to see here.
We have to start requiring that election officials can not be this incompetent and not have some sort of consequences.

And we have to stop thinking things will change or be better when we never actually address what went wrong to begin with.

you mean stupid people not submitting ballots correctly is somehow poll workers fault? or machines breaking? stop talking nonsense.

The only reliable way is hand filled out, placed into a lock box that nobody has a key to except someone at the counting location.

Even that is not completely safe but at least it would be easier to find the culprit.

so disappointing what fellow Americans have become, i always thought we were better than this but i guess America is really going to follow the footsteps of rome, the destruction of our republic then a corrupt empire that will hollow itself out, thanks trump.