Breaking- Russian Black Sea Fleet Attacked at Sevastapol- Crimea

a reply to: angelchemuel

You got me.

Spelling Nazi wins argument.

Apologies for crappy phone fat fingers.

Jeez?!!!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity
I wonder what all those untrained, Ill equipped and starving Russian conscripts might be quietly thinking?

Beginning their mobilization in cattle sheds...

and end up drinking from puddles to survive...



Second greatest army in the world... hoorah.

Reports in the last hour of MORE attacks on Sevastopol:

twitter.com...

also:
twitter.com...

a reply to: TrueAmerican
Age restricted and need to sign in to view. Not signing in or up to Twitter. Is there another link or can you give a short explanation please?
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

Nothing really in the tweets, just saying explosions in Sevastopol... thats it, no actual pics or video or other sources.

There are unconfirmed reports of explosions being heard again tonight in Sevastopol in occupied Crimea. Russian air defenses are also said to be engaging aerial targets. #Ukraine #Russia #putin #putinswar #UkraineWar

In Crimea explosions are now also being reported South of Sevastopol. #Ukraine #Russia #putin #putinswar #UkraineWar

Definitely need to sit a bit on this one and see if anything else comes out.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

Well according to Canadian Prepper there has been an attack on the Russian Black sea fleet, it was supposed to be a neutral zone so that exports of wheat could continue to alleviate world hunger, but now the deal is off. This will affect the price of food if it was not bad enough already.

a reply to: BigfootNZ
Thank you.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: anonentity
God, Putin is in a petulant mood, isn't he? His toys get scratched by the Ukrainian state that he predicted would roll over and surrender at the start of this huge CF and he has a screaming tantrum and cancels the food deal.
Diddums.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Russia claims British involvement because otherwise they would have to acknowledge that "little brother" is kicking them in the groin ... again.

Cheers

The Ukrainian military was incapable of beating some civilians in the Donbas region who had to run charity drives for weapons to fight.

Yet you all expect me to believe Ukraine alone is sticking it to Russia?

It's like thinking ISIS terrorists are functioning in Syria without western assistance.

The drone required an RQ-4 to transmit between the drone and Odessa.

a reply to: JAY1980

I don't think anyone is expecting you to believe that the West is not providing weapons and support to Ukraine?

It's not exactly a secret.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

man those poor bastards.

some of them ought to get together save some of their ammunition and start fragging their CO's and start eating their food and drinking their water then surrender.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Let’s face it, this conflict would be over and done with if Ukraine wasn’t receiving the support of the US and allies.

Let's face it, this conflict would be over and done with if Russia hadn't invaded a non-threatening neighbour in the first place.

And if 'the US and allies' weren't supporting Ukraine?
What about all those millions of Ukrainians who would be forced to live under Russian control, again, against their will?
What about when Putin's dreams of a Greater Russia and Russian expansionism drive him to invade another country?
Should we just sit back and let him invade whoever he wants whenever he wants because, well, he wants to?

a reply to: Freeborn

Exactly. Appeasement of invady Dictators is not usually a good option.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Russia claims British involvement because otherwise they would have to acknowledge that "little brother" is kicking them in the groin ... again.

Cheers

The Ukrainian military was incapable of beating some civilians in the Donbas region who had to run charity drives for weapons to fight.

Yet you all expect me to believe Ukraine alone is sticking it to Russia?

It's like thinking ISIS terrorists are functioning in Syria without western assistance.

Those 'civilians' were getting open support from the Russian Army, back when it wasn't losing tanks to Ukrainian farmers. The Donbas conflict was started by the Russians, run by the Russians and maintained by the Russians.
The Ukrainian Army has spent the time since 2014 retraining like mad and waving goodbye to the old Soviet-era-trained officer corps, who were useless. The Ukrainians have also benefited from the fact that the Russian Army is a corrupt and rotten institution that seems to be led by morons. The Russians keep reinforcing defeat and mindlessly bashing their head against brick walls.
Combined with Western weapons and Western intelligence, you really think that the Russians aren't taking a hell of a beating? Their dirty little secret is out - their conventional forces are in terrible condition and using untrained conscripts is not the way to repair the damage.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: surfer_soul

Let’s face it, this conflict would be over and done with if Ukraine wasn’t receiving the support of the US and allies.

Let's face it, this conflict would be over and done with if Russia hadn't invaded a non-threatening neighbour in the first place.

And if 'the US and allies' weren't supporting Ukraine?
What about all those millions of Ukrainians who would be forced to live under Russian control, again, against their will?
What about when Putin's dreams of a Greater Russia and Russian expansionism drive him to invade another country?
Should we just sit back and let him invade whoever he wants whenever he wants because, well, he wants to?

Prove it then. Must be pretty easy to show us that the Donbass civilians were getting open support from the Russian government as you are claiming in 2014

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Prove it then. Must be pretty easy to show us that the Donbass civilians were getting open support from the Russian government as you are claiming in 2014

So, where in that post that you quoted in full did I say anything about that?
What relevance to that post has your response got?

The FACT still remains that if Russia had not invaded Ukraine this conflict would be over.
No amount of spin can change that.

As for the question you asked; I have shown in several threads since the invasion begun how The Kremlin had been funding and arming Russian Militia's throughout Luhansk and Donetsk since around 2011.
These Militia's engaged in agitation, provocation, extortion, intimidation and terrorism against Ukraine national interests and people. This included attacks against Jews and non-Orthodox Christians and non-Russian Ukrainians.

This resulted in swift and at times brutal responses from the Ukrainian government and the rest as they say is history.

Some believe it was all by design and that Putin got the reaction he wanted.
Some believe it was all part of some WEF/NWO type plot.

Who knows?

What is beyond doubt is that it happened.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel
Prove it then. Must be pretty easy to show us that the Donbass civilians were getting open support from the Russian government as you are claiming in 2014

It's expect it will be rather difficult to provide the personal, first-hand proof to satisfy you that Russian forces have been supporting Ukrainian separatists in Donbas since 2014.

However, it's widely covered by a number of sources, should you wish to do your own armchair investigation. The Russians have provided material aid and Russian troops have been involved surreptitiously. Take the shooting down of MH17, as an example - the missile came from a Russian launcher from within Ukraine.

Yes, an attack at Sevastopol did occur. It was just not widely reported.

However, many of y'all in this thread haven't fully understood the implications of this event or even realized the reality of it.

The preparation of this terrorist act and the training of the military personnel of the Ukrainian 73rd Special Centre for Maritime Operations were carried out under the guidance of British specialists located in the city of Ochakiv in Ukraine’s Mykolaiv region” (T.me/mod_russia, October 29)

On Oct 29th, the Ukrainian Military sent a swarm of unmanned drones on an attack vector, traveling over 100 miles to reach their destination.

From there, an attack commenced, lasting several hours.

Damage to a new frigate class flagship did occur, however the extent is unknown. This applies to two other vessels.

Some minor infrastructure damage as well.

The drones have been neutralized.

The point is, this attack as redefined military views and perceptions on such an attack. What changes and advances can be made to improve their lethality.

"The Black Sea is proving to be a tactical and technological arena that is upsetting long-standing regional strategic assumptions, starting with Russia’s presumed prowess and naval superiority over Ukraine. "

Source:
jamestown.org...