Woman dies in her 20s due to Moderna's booster vaccine

a reply to: network dude

Or jump through the emergency exit from 40,000 feet without a parachute. His plane is going down and will inevitably crash and burn.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

 addition why someone who may have been infected and developed robust and very strong natural immunity has to be vaccinated

From a health perspective, they don't. I'm perfectly happy acknowledging that natural immunity is absolutely a good thing and offers wide and long lasting protection.

The problem come with dealing with people who lie and say that they have natural immunity when they don't. It's simpler and more cost effective to vax them than to fact check them.

If you want to claim natural immunity then you should foot the bill yourself.

Of course getting covid does not guarantee that you get strong immunity. People who get mild or asymptomatic covid may only have weak immunity. Plus natural immunity fades with time, so having covid in 2020 means you still need boosting occasionally, just like with the flu, or any one of the other virus that have boosters

the shot doesn't stop the virus, stop transmission, or prevent future sickness. The best you can offer is that it MAY lessen the severity, which is something you cannot possibly quantify on an individual basis. Knowing all that is fact, and undisputed, what business is it of yours who has immunity and who does not? Some will get a coof, some will not. You may get Covid tomorrow. Should we isolate you just in case?

It's getting very close to the time where you either admit you backed the wrong horse, or reincarnate.

None of anyone's business but it's easy to see whether you have been infected and hence gained natural immunity. PCR testing is widely available and antibody tests are also available. In addition you have common sense when you present symptoms of the disease and/or getting tested.

The case in the opening page remind us that untested products should never be promoted again to young and healthy populations. A young person has died and it seems there are many more who have either died or their health has been damaged severely.

A claim exists which has no substance the the risk from Covid is higher then the risk from the vaccine. But obviously whoever makes them hasn't been up to date with the current developments and new data that is rapidly emerging.

When new data emerges two things happen:

Either the paper is attacked or its authors.

It is a testimony that the narrative has collapsed and the defeat of the vaccine ideology is massive.
We are talking about a massive defeat!

From the article posted...

The woman reportedly died a few weeks after receiving a booster dose of Moderna’s Spikevax vaccine...

‘After close consideration, the panel agreed that this woman’s myocarditis was likely to have been related to vaccination but acknowledged there were several other complicating factors that may have contributed to her death.’

Still not 100% proof it was due to the vaccination.

This was also linked in the story posted.
Covid 19 Report-TGA.GOV.AU

2.2*
Reporting rate per 1,000 doses

136,191
Total adverse event reports

63,342,668 *
Total doses administered

48,487
Total reports for Vaxzevria

80,230
Total reports for Comirnaty

7,236
Total reports for Spikevax

902
Total reports for Nuvaxovid

698
Total reports for brand not specified

Also included in the report.

Myocarditis and pericarditis with mRNA vaccines
ATAGI continues to emphasise that the protective benefits of the mRNA vaccines far outweigh the rare risk of these side effects in all eligible age groups- external site.

Current evidence tells us the risk of myocarditis and other heart effects is much higher after COVID-19 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination.

ATAGI has advised that people who develop myocarditis attributed to their first vaccine dose should defer further doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine and discuss this with their treating doctor.

For those with suspected pericarditis after a first dose, future dose recommendations depend on test results and the person’s age and sex. Refer to expert Guidance on myocarditis and pericarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines- external site for more information.

a reply to: Grenade

It's just another tragic loss of life because of these unsafe products that have been promoted as safe and effective without any evidence. I think Moderna must have been going with the speed of science. It wasn't just Pfizer.

From the same site linked to in the OPs Doom Porn...

RACGP.ORG.AU
PDF Chart

A new chart compiled by the Immunisation Coalition highlights the significantly higher myocarditis risks linked to COVID-19 when compared to mRNA vaccination.

The resource breaks down the data according to age, gender and vaccination status.

Associate Professor John Litt, a GP and member of the Immunisation Coalition Scientific Advisory Committee, said the chart is a clear illustration of the relative risks.

‘In all age categories, as you can see from the table, the rate of getting myocarditis post COVID is far higher,’ he told newsGP.

According to the chart, the highest rate of post-vaccination myocarditis occurs among male 12–17-year-olds following a second or third dose of Moderna, with 236 cases per million doses. That is less than a half of the 590 cases per million recorded post COVID-19 infection in the same age group.

The chart is the most recent resource to be added to the COVID-19 Risk Calculator (CoRiCal), which was developed by the Immunisation Coalition last year. It is designed to help people assess the risk of contracting and dying from COVID-19 based on their age, gender, community transmission rates and vaccination status.

Associate Professor Litt hopes the resource will be helpful to GPs and the general public looking for a clearer picture of the relative risks.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The problem come with dealing with people who lie

Yeah, we know. We've been dealing with it for a couple years now.

Even if you eventually die from the vaccine it doesn't seem to be an issue to the vaccine ideologists as according to the dogma the vaccines are safe and effective and they save lives.

a reply to: Kurokage

So the vaccines are a double whammy risk considering they don’t stop transmission or infection from Covid.

This is too easy pal, at least try and cover the gaping wounds in your logic before posting.

a reply to: Kurokage

Now, approaching peak clownery, you don't even believe the government sanctioned sources you've been harping on being "The Science" for two years.

This is literally the kind of group you kept asking for proof from.

LOL

Uh-uh, uh-uh, it ain't a hunnerdt percent fa'sure!

Welcome to clown science, where we think things like a vaccine adverse event death is going to be certified by some standards organization as being 100% certain.

When I thought you couldn't get more embarrassing, you continue to amaze.

It started at 95% effective, provides lasting immunity and prevents transmission.

It's 85% effective, and may not provide lasting immunity, but you won't get sick and transmit.

It's safe and effective, but you'll need a booster. You won't get sick and transmit.

The new one is safe and effective, you will need a booster, and vaccines were always meant to lessen symptoms and prevent death, it keeps others safe.

It is safe and effective, we hope it will provide lasting immunity with the third booster, it prevents serious illness and death, it keeps others safe.

It is safe and effective, it prevents hospitalization and death, and keeps others safe, you may be eligible for the third booster.

The vaccine only has rare side-effects but doesn't cause myocarditis, it prevents hospitalization and death, and keeps others safe, the most vulnerable are now approved for the fourth booster.

It only causes mild temporary myocarditis, we never said it prevented transmission, and if you stay recharged we think it will prevent hospitalization and death, the fifth booster is now available for the most at risk.

The vaccine is not certified to have killed anybody.

The vaccine is not 100% certain to have killed this person with myocarditis.

LOL

a reply to: Ksihkehe

You really like to waffle on and toe the anti-vax line....

Now, approaching peak clownery, you don't even believe the government sanctioned sources you've been harping on being "The Science" for two years.

So you think you can tell me how I should think and what my opinions should be on a public forum?? A bit arrogant of you, don't you think?
I posted facts straight from the site linked to in the opening post which the poster missed and never linked to, all I see from you here are attacks and someone throwing a "karen".
Also it's the anti-vaxxers that have been posting thread after thread for the last 2 years with hearsay and right-wing propaganda.

The data speaks for itself.

136,191 Total adverse event reports. (that's from the very mild to serious effects)
63,342,668 * Total doses administered

Oh, I do see a clown in this thread......

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: Kurokage

Now, approaching peak clownery, you don't even believe the government sanctioned sources you've been harping on being "The Science" for two years.

This is literally the kind of group you kept asking for proof from.

LOL

Uh-uh, uh-uh, it ain't a hunnerdt percent fa'sure!

Welcome to clown science, where we think things like a vaccine adverse event death is going to be certified by some standards organization as being 100% certain.

When I thought you couldn't get more embarrassing, you continue to amaze.

It started at 95% effective, provides lasting immunity and prevents transmission.

It's 85% effective, and may not provide lasting immunity, but you won't get sick and transmit.

It's safe and effective, but you'll need a booster. You won't get sick and transmit.

The new one is safe and effective, you will need a booster, and vaccines were always meant to lessen symptoms and prevent death, it keeps others safe.

It is safe and effective, we hope it will provide lasting immunity with the third booster, it prevents serious illness and death, it keeps others safe.

It is safe and effective, it prevents hospitalization and death, and keeps others safe, you may be eligible for the third booster.

The vaccine only has rare side-effects but doesn't cause myocarditis, it prevents hospitalization and death, and keeps others safe, the most vulnerable are now approved for the fourth booster.

It only causes mild temporary myocarditis, we never said it prevented transmission, and if you stay recharged we think it will prevent hospitalization and death, the fifth booster is now available for the most at risk.

The vaccine is not certified to have killed anybody.

The vaccine is not 100% certain to have killed this person with myocarditis.

LOL

I can't describe it better! Bravo!
See how these arguments keep evolving and keep getting upgraded to fit the narrative. It's one of the most absurd tasks I have ever come across. And clearly anti-scientific.

Not even the death from the vaccine can be acknowledged as many people have ideologically and personally invested in them and clearly in a constant denial. It can be described as a vaccine ideology or a cult.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

It's funny how you miss the fact that all I've posted is from the article and links from your opening post and also a link to the actual report "COVID-19 vaccine safety report - 23-09-2022"..

It's so constant with the hate and anti-vax propaganda it could be described as an anti-vaccine ideology or a cult.

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I still can't get my head around how billions of people have become so compliant, Easily brainwashed and downright dumbasses.

"I'm following in the science", Replied the guy who struggled to follow the instructions on an IKEA four-leg flat-top table.

You weren't following science. You were following orders. You just got pushed into your pen by the dog and his master. Baa

is there at least the possibility in your mind that it is you who has been brainwashed by the sources that informed you about the subject?

can you give me a reputable scientific source that shows that vaccination is potentially life-threatening for everyone?

Assembly Instructions, baa

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I still can't get my head around how billions of people have become so compliant, Easily brainwashed and downright dumbasses.

"I'm following in the science", Replied the guy who struggled to follow the instructions on an IKEA four-leg flat-top table.

You weren't following science. You were following orders. You just got pushed into your pen by the dog and his master. Baa

is there at least the possibility in your mind that it is you who has been brainwashed by the sources that informed you about the subject?

can you give me a reputable scientific source that shows that vaccination is potentially life-threatening for everyone?

Assembly Instructions, baa

The claim made by the other member you have answered is more of a strawman argument.

It reminds me of the strawman arguments made where Covid was potentially a threat for everyone. Children, teenagers, young and healthy adults, middle age people and the elderly. Everyone was lumped into one group... Great science! For once more.

The reality is young and healthy people have miniscule chances of dying due to Covid-19.

a reply to: Kurokage

the amazing thing about all this, is your approval is not needed for the facts to be factual. it's cute how you rail on and on as if you have some special knowledge others don't, but as you dig and dig, you seem to have put the pile of dirt in front of your common sense viewing. It's looking like the untested, unproven vaccine may have some side effects. Not sure if you can comprehend this, but over the years, it's happened. It could even happen again. Even if you don't want it to.

but super nice shovel.

a reply to: network dude

It's looking like the untested, unproven vaccine may have some side effects. Not sure if you can comprehend this, but over the years, it's happened. It could even happen again. Even if you don't want it to.

And what you lot can't comprehend is the fact that I've stated in most of these Doom Porn anti-vax threads is that most vaccines and medicines have side effects.
It's like people can't read or have never read the pamphlet that comes with all medicines and vaccines before now.
All I've posted in this thread are the facts from the OPs links which they just chose to ignore.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Kurokage

the amazing thing about all this, is your approval is not needed for the facts to be factual. it's cute how you rail on and on as if you have some special knowledge others don't, but as you dig and dig, you seem to have put the pile of dirt in front of your common sense viewing. It's looking like the untested, unproven vaccine may have some side effects. Not sure if you can comprehend this, but over the years, it's happened. It could even happen again. Even if you don't want it to.

but super nice shovel.

There is plenty of evidence which suggests that these products are not safe and effective.
The irony is the sources used to claim their safety and effectiveness emanate from the establishment. But who can trust anything they say?? They are known to have lied and keep upgrading their claims, sometimes at the speed of science...

Nobody can trust them. They are unreliable and their credibility has been damaged irreversibly.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The irony is the sources used to claim their safety and effectiveness emanate from the establishment. But who can trust anything they say?? They are known to have lied and keep upgrading their claims, sometimes at the speed of science...

Nobody can trust them. They are unreliable and their credibility has been damaged irreversibly.

And I bet you don't have a shread of evidence to back up that claim, just the usual hearsay and speculation.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The irony is the sources used to claim their safety and effectiveness emanate from the establishment. But who can trust anything they say?? They are known to have lied and keep upgrading their claims, sometimes at the speed of science...

Nobody can trust them. They are unreliable and their credibility has been damaged irreversibly.

And I bet you don't have a shread of evidence to back up that claim, just the usual hearsay and speculation.

I don't have re-iterate and repost the same things again and again but you seem oblivious to the facts

papers.ssrn.com...

We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one COVID-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable.

You seem to be in a denial and in some sort of despair as the narrative you believe is collapsing rapidly.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You seem to be in a denial and in some sort of despair as the narrative you believe is collapsing rapidly.

Ha ha ha, you're funny, I didn't know you were an amatuer comedian!
You seem oblivous to the facts which is why to keep posting your cherry picked links as some sort of proof.
I posted from the links in your opening post which is from the Aussie' health sevice. I bet you never even read the stuff you've linked to.
The only people I see in denail are the people claiming we're all droping dead which is complete rubbish.
I bet you never read this from the same site you linked to....


SSRN

Simultaneous Acute Portal Vein Thrombosis and ST Elevation Myocardial Infarction in a COVID-19 Patient – Case Report

Background: Covid-19 infected patients without any risk factors and family history of a thrombotic event can be still at risks of developing thrombotic and/or other Covid-19-related complications, and therefore, there is a substantial need to study such cases.

Conclusion: This report addresses that a cautious diagnosis of Covid-19 at the time of admission can play a vital role in preventing cardiovascular events; where even asymptomatic to mildly infected patients could be still at higher risks of developing clinical complications (e.g., thrombotic events)

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Kurokage

So the vaccines are a double whammy risk considering they don’t stop transmission or infection from Covid.

This is too easy pal, at least try and cover the gaping wounds in your logic before posting.

Sources in my signature show that there was an absolutely conclusive reduction in transmission after the vax started being issued.