Russia seems to be pulling out of kherson

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Okay, so start quoting me about being all into this proxy war with Russia thing. Have fun. Make sure you ready everything I've ever said in here.

a reply to: godsovein

Why?

I'm talking about this what you said:


"That video just has to be staged."


Simple. Is all.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: crayzeed

And it destroys a lot of Ukraine?

Didn't think that through, did you?

Don't be silly, of course I thought that, but you didn't. Because then Zelenski can shout about how the Russians caused this war crime atrocity because I can guarantee you that when this is over and the truth (or lies) comes out you will see the lengths that Zelenski has sacrificed HIS PEOPLE for HIS propaganda.

a reply to: crayzeed

Guarantee away.

Keep licking Putin's boots.

Putin started this, by the way.

And lately has been targeting Ukraine's electricity supplies.

Nice.

Can't win his illegal war military so wants to freeze civilians to death.

You fine with all this?

All Zelensky's fault?

Note correct spelling.

And stop shouting in capitals.

It adds nothing to your point, whatever it is.

a reply to: gortex

can i get a quick count of people here in this thread who have seen actual military combat where you were personally engaged and returned fire?

i did for 6 years

The reason Ukraine is winning is of course some of the weapons they are getting but it is also the fighters spirt to win at all costs.

Russians surrender en mass and Ukrainians concur en mass. Russia isnt fighting for anyone so they would be crazy to throw their lives away for this fight, if i got drafted i would make the biggest white flag i could, it sounds like Ukrainian POW camps are better than their own military camps.

i feel for the Russians, and i understand the call to protect your country. nothing wrong with that and if you are going to help your friends and from your point of view defend Russia that is still noble. You cant forget the amount of psyops these young men have been hit with their whole life.

But the feeling of fighting for your home is a lethal; one and when most of the world is patting you on the back even if your side might not play by the rules all the time is super risky.

the longer this war goes and as sides start to get cold in winter it is going to get brutal, lots of mines and snipers. Think Bosnia in the winter.


i worry once Russia starts to lose mass amounts of troops to the weather and they are running out of person weapons and being pushed further and further back into Russia nukes will come out or WORSE chemical weapons. Imagine a battlefield Novacheck cluster bombs being dropped on civilian areas and even VX is persistent lasting days as a super light oil like substance.

originally posted by: crayzeed

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: crayzeed

And it destroys a lot of Ukraine?

Didn't think that through, did you?

Don't be silly, of course I thought that, but you didn't. Because then Zelenski can shout about how the Russians caused this war crime atrocity because I can guarantee you that when this is over and the truth (or lies) comes out you will see the lengths that Zelenski has sacrificed HIS PEOPLE for HIS propaganda.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the black sea fleet in Crimea, Russia nervous Ukraine would end the lease... So they annex Crimea, now they need a land strip to connect Russia and Crimea (east Ukraine).

Russia, the country with the most land mass wants more, and it's Ukraine fault. Why don't they just give it to Russia? What selfish ass holes they must be for defending their sovereignty against an invasion. Smh my head.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: crayzeed

Putin started this, by the way.

Nope he's just ending the genocide the Kiev regime started 8 years ago. When most people in eastern Ukraine rejected the American orchestrated coupe of 2014. It's almost as if a huge portion of the population in the west learned nothing from the last 20 years in the middle east.

This isn't our fight.

Russia poses no existential threat to our way of life. People in the west are suffering more from their own governments reaction to the invasion of Ukraine than from the invasion itself. Calling for peace isn't licking Putin's boot. Calling for more weapons to Ukraine is sobbing the red white and blue military industrial complex knob...

You all drank to much Russia-gate flavored kool-aid. If you all feel so passionate about this war why not go fight? I hear Ukraine is accepting mercenaries from just about anywhere....
linky

a reply to: JAY1980

Why don't you sign up for Russia?

I hear they need untrained Ill equipped cannon fodder.

For Putin's atrocities against civs.

a reply to: gortex

Well, that sucks. I was hoping the Russians would be able to hold Kherson.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: crayzeed

Putin started this, by the way.

People in the west are suffering more from their own governments reaction to the invasion of Ukraine than from the invasion itself.

You do realize innocent civilians are being massacred over there right?

Millions of Ukrainians have been displaced, everything they spent the entire lives working for has been destroyed because of Putins little temper tantrum.

I think it’s you who drunk far to much of that vodka flavored kool aid to make such an ignorant statement.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: gortex

Off topic but an interesting fact.

Putin, Hitler and Napoleon where all between 5' 7" to 5" 8" in height.

It's true that short men make the best warmongering dictators.

You mean the average height for most men?

No i don't.

The average height for males from the countries those despots came from is actually 3 inches taller.

Take time and check it like i did.

Are you trying to say the average height for German men in the 30s and 40s was 5'11"?

Not buying that

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: gortex

Off topic but an interesting fact.

Putin, Hitler and Napoleon where all between 5' 7" to 5" 8" in height.

It's true that short men make the best warmongering dictators.

You mean the average height for most men?

No i don't.

The average height for males from the countries those despots came from is actually 3 inches taller.

Take time and check it like i did.

Are you trying to say the average height for German men in the 30s and 40s was 5'11"?

Not buying that

5' 10.8 " actually. So just under 5' 11"

www.healthline.com...-

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: gortex

Well, that sucks. I was hoping the Russians would be able to hold Kherson.

So was Putin , que sera, sera.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
Bbc is saying the Ukrainians are using missiles on their own dam according to Russia.

This is due to to Russian forces being able to use it as a crossing.

May be all a little late for Ukraine as the way things stand that will have no power over winter.

No power?
As in Putin by springtime?

Most power has been restored.
Why are they bombing private citizens and apartments anyway? They came in to “rescue” the Ukrainians from the Jewish Nazis or something? And now they are just farking up whatever they can reach from afar. Like a temper tantrum.

But it sounds like the actual ( and original) objective is now clear.
Genocide of Ukrainians.

Did you see the moron on RT channel that suggested drowning and burning alive all the Ukrainian Children?
Seems harsh yes?

originally posted by: nugget1
With all the money, equipment and munitions thaqt have been constantly pouring into Ukraine to fight off a poorly-trained, under-equiped, understaffed Russian forces shouldn't this war have been over on day two-or sooner?

I don't know what is more ignorant, your post, or the 12 stars you got....

After weeks of fighting in kherson.

AFU, Ukrainian forces haven't able to do much agaisnt the well forfeited Russian defenses.

a reply to: gortex

If they are pulling citizens out of these areas, it's not because Russia is retreating. It's because they know a counterattack is coming, and they don't want civilians in the way of the fighting.
Things are getting pretty serious now. With all the talk about a potential dirty bomb, we know a false flag of some kind is coming up in order to escalate this war. Russia knows it too. 101st airborne training with Romanian troops right now, along with German, British, Polish, French, Canadian too. We all know something big is coming, and soon. We can all feel it.

From what I've been seeing, if Ukraine does in fact get successful in Kherson, it will be short lived, temporary and a waste of time unless there's a plan B going on that will allow Nato/US troops officially into the battle.
Ukraine is not thinking long term when they launch these attacks from what I've seen so far. They don't have the troops or the equipment to hold any of these regions that have been annexed by Russia.

Russia will pull back from positions that don't have good defensive cover and fortify further back in good locations in which to defend. This is a smart strategy.
Plus, Ukraine cannot keep their supply lines going all the time, because Russia is bombing the sh*t out of them. No power, communications in most areas. They are amassing huge casualties too. So there' s no way to defend these areas they take over, unless they have troops and equipment coming up from behind to help fortify the position.

Ukraine should seek a peace deal now, while they still exist. And Nato/US need to suck it up and make a deal as well. The current path we're on doesn't lead to anywhere good.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: nugget1
With all the money, equipment and munitions thaqt have been constantly pouring into Ukraine to fight off a poorly-trained, under-equiped, understaffed Russian forces shouldn't this war have been over on day two-or sooner?

I don't know what is more ignorant, your post, or the 12 stars you got....

Awwww....Bless your little heart.

AFU, Ukrainian forces haven't able to do much agaisnt the well forfeited Russian defenses.a reply to: vNex92


Well forfeited indeed!

A Freudian slip?