U.S. Supreme Court Rules Mailed-In Ballots Without a Postmark Date Can NOT Be Counted.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

Now I want to know what they are going to do with Allegheny County saying that they sent out ballots without the boxes for a signature or date?

Due to the layers and varied types of Fraud, Old-time fraudster Chuck Schumer told Joe Biden last week that Senate candidate John Fetterman "is not in danger" of losing. After 2020, only a fool would dismiss what he said as merely "comforting" Joe.

WHAT PA body/individual is responsible for ensuring everything is done properly/legally with ballots and vote counting, and who/what is responsible for overseeing that body/individual??

originally posted by: carewemust
WHAT PA body/individual is responsible for ensuring everything is done properly/legally with ballots and vote counting, and who/what is responsible for overseeing that body/individual??

That would be the Secretary of State, Leigh M. Chapman. The person responsible for oversight would be Governor Tom Wolf. These are the same two people who chose to ignore the US Supreme Court ruling.

Yes, the Wolf is in charge of the henhouse.

Wolf and Kathy Broockvar, the former Secretary of State, are the same people that made illegal changes to the 2020 Election procedures. Broockvar was forced to resign after the 2020 election, supposedly for not following procedure. She still has the threat of criminal charges hanging over her, ensuring her silence.

a reply to: JIMC5499

With top ranking state authorities ALLOWING laws to be broken, I'm amazed the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't force them out of office, or forcefully intervene, like Justice Alito tried to do in PA, immediately after the 2020 election.

They need to stop doing high-level general stuff this month, and focus on ensuring state leaders are following state laws. Each Justice is already assigned a specific section of the country. They should use that authority to make sure every judge and SOS and Governor and AG is following state laws.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JIMC5499

With top ranking state authorities ALLOWING laws to be broken, I'm amazed the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't force them out of office, or forcefully intervene, like Justice Alito tried to do in PA, immediately after the 2020 election.

They need to stop doing high-level general stuff this month, and focus on ensuring state leaders are following state laws. Each Justice is already assigned a specific section of the country. They should use that authority to make sure every judge and SOS and Governor and AG is following state laws.

They weren't allowing the laws to be broken, they were the ones BREAKING them. The State Constitution states that any changes in election laws or rules has to come from the Legislature.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That REVERTED PA ELECTION LAW back to its stated intent - Ballots / envelopes must be completed correctly or the vote can NOT be counted.

Nope. SCOTUS ruled the 3rd Circuit Court ruling of June of 2022 "moot". They didn't reverse the PA Supreme Court Ruling of 2020

the state Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be counted even if certain information was not filled in on the outer envelope.
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The right of each citizen to vote is so important, said the court, that absent of showing fraud, you cannot disqualify a mail-in ballot just because the voter failed to date it or write his address on the outside envelope, as the Trump campaign and some other Republicans insisted.

www.cbsnews.com...

Again PA state law does NOT violate Federal Law

Then you are wasting your time here on ATS, trying to explain that to me. You need to explain that to the 3 PA Supreme Court Justices that say the state law DOES violate Federal Law.

Chief Justice Todd and Justices Donohue and Wecht would find a violation of federal law.

www.pacourts.us...

Also the WI Supreme Court just went through the exact same issue.

So what? I Don't care. We're not talking about WI, we're talking about PA. However, you do strengthen my claim that this issue will end up back at the US Supreme Court.

PA Supreme Court was asked to essentially clarify the action of Scotus because the PA Sec State gave orders to break PA state law / the Scotus ruling.

And, they were "tied" in their opinion, with 3 justices opining that the state law DOES violate the Voting Rights Act.

All the PA Supreme Court did was to grant "injunctive and declaratory relief" to "set aside" said ballots. They did not rule on whether or not the rule violates federal law. SCOTUS will have to decide that.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Federal Law isn't involved here. State Law requires the signature and date to be handwritten and correct. All the USSC ruled was that the Wolf Administration HAS to follow the existing STATE Law. The PSC rules that they have to follow State Law.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Federal Law isn't involved here.

The (federal law) Voting Rights Act, is the reason the case is was in the courts in the first place.

It has always been the claim that PA state law, regarding undated return envelopes, violates the Voting Rights Act. The PA Supreme Courts ruled as much in 2020 and again in 2022, when it upheld the 3rd Circuit Court's ruling, which cited the Voting Rights Act. The PA court’s chief justice, Max Baer died last month, which is why there was an even number of justices, and why the court was evenly split on whether rejecting the undated dated ballots violates the Civil Rights Act.

The PSC rules that they have to follow State Law.

They conveniently did not issue any opinion at all on state law vs federal law, as the court was tied on the issue. They granted the plaintiffs'' "declarative injunction", which does not set any kind of "precedent", and ordered that the ballots be "segregated and preserved". They did not, in fact, rule that federal law i.e. The Voting Rights Act, was not violated in so doing, as claimed.

That's an issue yet to be decided, and it will have to be decided, one way or the other, by SCOTUS.

The Voting Rights Act isn't applicable here.

a reply to: JIMC5499

The Voting Rights Act isn't applicable here.

LOL

The Voting RIghts Act is the only reason why we're even talking about undated ballots in the first place. It's the reason the issue was in the courts in the first place. This issue won't be resolved until it's finished winding its way through the courts and SCOTUS finally rules on whether or not this law, and others like it, violate the Voting Rights Act. It obviously does, which is why I predict SCOTUS will strike down that section of the Voting Rights Act as unconstitutional.

....as I've said all along.

Again,
SCOTUS has NEVER ruled that Pennsylvania must NOT count said ballots.
This case has always been about the Voting Rights Act
This case was NEVER about the US Postal Service or postmarks.

a reply to: Ahabstar
Regarding adequate ballots, booths, parking, etc: legit. Should be easy to get to, and fully provided.
Problem is, this is a point of vulnerability to shenanigans. No lines here, 12 hours there, in a big school here, edge of town, no parking and no bus there.

a reply to: JIMC5499
Seemed the story said that the court ordered the ballots to be held separately in case of a Federal ruling they be counted. The Federal law is that votes not be tossed for 'frivolous' reasons.
If it's not dated, or is formatted Euro dd/mm/yyyy or something, or has handwriting like mine, but gets to the election countinghouse by the due date, seems ok to me. But, it's up to the Federal court to determine what they mean by 'frivolous'.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I am done arguing with you and your intentional stupidity. You are wrong and have been wrong since the beginning. You need to learn how the laws in question work and how our judicial system work, being everything the courts have recently done have proven you wrong.

Enjoy your willful ignorance and stupidity.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Dude!

FACT SCOTUS NEVER ruled PA could not count ballots in question.
FACT This was always about the Voting Rights Act
FACT This was NEVER about the US Postal Service or postmarks.

Deny Ignorance!

a reply to: TheBoomersRBusted

The Federal ruling was dismissed by Scotus (which also dismissed all the state court rulings) reverting PA election law back to its original intent - incorrectly filled out ballots / envelopes can not be counted.

As far as "frivolous" goes, what is "material", under the VRA, defers to state law. In this case a ballot / envelopes must be completely filled out or the vote can not be counted. No ones right to vote is being messed with, which is the purpose of the VRA.. If a person goes to the wrong voting location and votes, that ballot will not be counted. If a mail in ballot is received after 8 pm on election day it can not be counted.

All of this is found on the PA Sec States website (mailing in ballots section) with multiple warnings that incorrectly filled out ballots or envelopes result in the vote not being counted. The mail in ballots also contain instructions on whats required with warnings that if the direction arent followed correctly the vote will not be counted.

It is not up to the federal courts to determine whats frivolous.

PDF link - SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 21A772
DAVID RITTER v. LINDA MIGLIORI, ET AL.
ON APPLICATION FOR STAY
[June 9, 2022]

Reference the "Materiality" of the date on envelopes (or frivolousness as you describe) -

But §10101(a)(2)(B) does not address that issue. It applies only to errors or omissions that are not material to the question whether a person is qualified to vote. It leaves it to the States to decide which voting rules should be mandatory.

The above is from my post back on page 10 and includes the other issues that were raised about the 3rd circuits ruling. Scotus, on Oct 11th, 2022, reversed / threw out / mooted / insert other legal terms here, with a vote of 7 - 2, wiped out the 3rd circuits ruling. When that happened, it wiped out all courts that "touched" the case rulings, reverting PA election law back to its original intent.



Here is the most recent PA Supreme Court ruling directing the Sec State to follow the US Scotus ruling.

ATS - 'Massive' Win: PA Supreme Court Rules Undated Mail Ballots Can NOT Be Counted

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xcathdra
Blah

More debunked info you refuse to accept. I am not going to go into this again. Everything you posted is wrong. Everything you are claiming is based on your willful ignorance as well as your stupidity when it comes to our legal system and how it works.

When you take the time to learn something Ill take the time to answer your false claims and prove you wrong, again. Until then, as I said, enjoy your willful ignorance.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You seriously need to admit Elizabeth Warren is your Aunt 😀

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You're either ignorant or pushing an agenda. The US Supreme Court ruled that Pennsylvania has to follow THEIR laws.

Section 1 Article 4 of the US Constitution states.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

The US Supreme Court can't rule on a State's Election Law only Congress can. Just as the Governor or State Courts can't change the laws, only the Legislature can. When Wolf changed election procedures and the State Court backed him up, they were in violation of the US and State Constitutions. That's it plain and simple.
If the North Carolina Legislature wins it's case in front of the US Supreme Court it is going to go nuclear.

a reply to: JIMC5499

You're either ignorant or pushing an agenda. The US Supreme Court ruled that Pennsylvania has to follow THEIR laws.

They made no such statement. They made no ruling as to the whether or not state law violates the VRA.

Section 1 Article 4 of the US Constitution states....

And the Voting Rights Act says.

“No person acting under color of law shall . . . deny the right of any individual to vote in any election because of an error or omission on any record or paper related to any application, registration, or other act requisite to voting, if such error or omission is not material in determining whether such individual is qualified under State law to vote in such election.”
§10101(a)(2)(B).

www.law.cornell.edu...#:~:text=No%20person%2C%20whether%20acting%20under%20color%20of%20law,purpose%20of%20selecting%20or%20 electing%20any%20such%20candidate.

The US Supreme Court can't rule on a State's Election Law only Congress can.

Bull feces! They can. They have. And, they will again.

But, do please try to tell that to Xcandr, who continues to believe that SCOTUS already ruled on the VRA and PA state law.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I am not going to go into this again.

Thank God!

Your failure to admit that the OP headline is full of lies. This was NEVER about the US Postal Service's postmarks. You were wrong about what SCOTUS actually ruled. The NEVER ruled on the undated ballot issue vs the VRA. And, your inability to admit you were wrong about the Voting Rights Act and how it plays into this issue, has you gish galloping all over the place!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xcathdra

Dude!

FACT SCOTUS NEVER ruled PA could not count ballots in question.
FACT This was always about the Voting Rights Act
FACT This was NEVER about the US Postal Service or postmarks.

Deny Ignorance!

(IMO) Either you enjoy being argumentative, or you're paid by Democrats to be argumentative, or both.