They paid people to shame and insult the unvaxxed...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You just want to have a pissing contest? Is that it?

I try to answer you and you take the conversation in some completely obfuscational direction.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I see.

Who are these "left wing ideologists" in the UK, which we were talking about?

When we have a right wing Govt who were in charge during COVID and the vaccine rollout?

What does climate change or gender issues have to do with anything?

Is it really "that simple"?

No, it isn't.

Give it up man.

I can admit when I'm wrong, and often freely have.

You?

It's really simple. But they don't exist only in your country. They are everywhere. In the US, in Canada, in Europe.

No, I don't admit that I am wrong because I am not.

The same people who promote the vaccine ideology usually promote the climate change ideology and the transgender ideology.

I am sure this isn't news to most of us. It could be news to you though.

And there's is a lot of shame by those left wingers and lunatics

originally posted by: nonspecific
So would you say that a multinational pharmaceutical company would be left wing in its political ideology?


a reply to: Asmodeus3

What are you talking about?!
It's you who suggested that Pfizer is a right wing corporation. I didn't say anything as I won't label a corporation.

But you haven't answered the question posed above.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MaxxAction

Where was any shaming of the unvaxxed in all that?

Whaaaaaaaaaat?
You must have a really short memory.

You have to excuse me, as I am not an American, and so don't know of any shaming of anti-vaxxers that may have happened on US media.

However, I do appreciate that if there are insufficient numbers of people who partake in a vaccination campaign, then community resistance to the pathogen will not be sufficient for the campaign to be effective, and this will lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths.

But none of the published details in the OP were attempting to shame anyone.

I suspect that anti-vaxxers may be feeling guilty, and be interpreting a campaign in favor of vaccination, as shaming them.

Since you are from the UK and since it seems there are many members who are from the UK and also happen to be left wing or left wing activists here is an article from two academics from Oxford


Shaming Unvaccinated People Has To Stop. We’ve Turned Into An Angry Mob And It’s Getting Ugly

blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk...


It seems that shaming is true and it's happening in a large scale. In your country, the UK, and everywhere else. Not only the two academics admit there is shaming of the unvaccinated but they demand it stops immediately. And they use the word 'mob'...

I am not from the UK.

I am Australian citizen permanently resident in New Zealand.

You’re from one of the worst offending countries on earth. How do you take yourself seriously?

We were talking about the UK.

Where the vaccines were rolled out under a right wing Govt.

You claimed it was all lefties.

You were wrong


But do up sticks and move your goal posts.

Carry on.



a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
We were talking about the UK.

Where the vaccines were rolled out under a right wing Govt.

You claimed it was all lefties.

You were wrong


But do up sticks and move your goal posts.

Carry on.



a reply to: Asmodeus3

No I didn't claim anything like it.
This is a strawman again.

And you have admitted above there is a difference between Government and activists/citizens.

You do know you can go back and see what's been said before in these things right?

Once 2 hours have passed there is no option to edit and whatever you said is permanent.

I'd go have a lie down and let the old noggin cool down a bit.

Maybe try again tomorrow with a fresh head after a good night's sleep.




a reply to: Asmodeus3

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You said this:

"Blending politics with science is a major issue. Just as the left wing tries to do by vaxxing everyone and everything for the greater good."

Which you addressed to two UK members.

It's literally what you said.

Err, yes, I admitted that, because it's obviously true?

You were saying about straw man?


I'll leave you in your corner.

Good night.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You said this:

"Blending politics with science is a major issue. Just as the left wing tries to do by vaxxing everyone and everything for the greater good."

Which you addressed to two UK members.

It's literally what you said.

Err, yes, I admitted that, because it's obviously true?

You were saying about straw man?


I'll leave you in your corner.

Good night.

The left wing doesn't involve a specific political party. The left wing activists and ideologists are involved in naming and shaming everyone who don't subscribe to their views. Either being the vaccines or the climate change or anything else.

You keep talking about something entirely different.

But don't worry there is no need to continue this conversation.

Do you know what left wing means?

Do you not understand where the term "left wing" originates?



a reply to: Asmodeus3

Maybe going forward, these long drawn out arguments could be avoided if those who author threads of this nature are clear that their info is meant for their location/country only, a disclaimer of sorts.

As this was a FOI release from the US, it is only proof that americans were manipulated by propaganda. Thus all the rest of us have no proof until similar is found in our countries and we need to stop derailing Americans talking about their experience.

Maybe the Canadians and Brits should butt out and do their own research on their own countries policies that way info is apt, politics is self explanatory. Either that or have enough situational awareness that not all are from their country or are even using matching terminology as other countries.

People have been deeply hurt by these mandates and this important subject should never have gotten bogged down in arguments over who is right/left in one country versus another.

originally posted by: nonspecific
You do know you can go back and see what's been said before in these things right?

Once 2 hours have passed there is no option to edit and whatever you said is permanent.

I'd go have a lie down and let the old noggin cool down a bit.

Maybe try again tomorrow with a fresh head after a good night's sleep.




a reply to: Asmodeus3

Don't worry about it. The conversation has ended.
Look at the message above.

The left wing or leftists or left wing ideologists and activists are blaming and shaming everyone who don't subscribe to their views.

Yes you can go back as much you want but you will send yourself calling Pfizer a right wing corporation. It's like calling anyone who lives under a capitalist system right wing, including those left wing activists who shame everyone.

More ramblings.

Left wing this anti trans that blah blah blah.....

Goodnight sweet prince and sleep well




a reply to: Asmodeus3

a reply to: igloo

"Maybe the Canadians and Brits should butt out and do their own research on their own countries policies that way info is apt, politics is self explanatory. Either that or have enough situational awareness that not all are from their country or are even using matching terminology as other countries."

Fine.

But if we Brits get told the vaxxes were all down to our supposed left wing ideologists, you can expect a rebuttal.

When I get called a "socialist" we all know what that means.

Why should Brits butt out when they are lectured by foreigners?

Please get back to the topic which is not who should or should not be in the conversation. The debate is open to any member of ATS. If you can't stick to the actual topic move on.

Also, be careful not to start slinging political mud as this is not the right forum for that. If you want to do that start a thread in the correct forum.

Do not reply to this message.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MaxxAction

Where was any shaming of the unvaxxed in all that?

Whaaaaaaaaaat?
You must have a really short memory.

You have to excuse me, as I am not an American, and so don't know of any shaming of anti-vaxxers that may have happened on US media.

However, I do appreciate that if there are insufficient numbers of people who partake in a vaccination campaign, then community resistance to the pathogen will not be sufficient for the campaign to be effective, and this will lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths.

But none of the published details in the OP were attempting to shame anyone.

I suspect that anti-vaxxers may be feeling guilty, and be interpreting a campaign in favor of vaccination, as shaming them.

Since you are from the UK and since it seems there are many members who are from the UK and also happen to be left wing or left wing activists here is an article from two academics from Oxford


Shaming Unvaccinated People Has To Stop. We’ve Turned Into An Angry Mob And It’s Getting Ugly

blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk...


It seems that shaming is true and it's happening in a large scale. In your country, the UK, and everywhere else. Not only the two academics admit there is shaming of the unvaccinated but they demand it stops immediately. And they use the word 'mob'...

I am not from the UK.

I am Australian citizen permanently resident in New Zealand.

Ok. Good you clarified.

See my post above. Shaming seems to be very real and the two academics argue it must be stopped immediately.

But of all the initiatives being funded by the government and mentioned in the OP, none were specifically for the purpose of shaming anyone.

They were funding to promote a health initiative through the media, and could have been misused to do so, however the idea wasn't about leaving people with a bad feeling. It was to try and get enough people to vaccinate against a prevalent disease.

I did post an article where two academics from the UK were specifically asking for shaming to be stopped. Do you remember it?

The OP was not about any UK initiatives, but was entirely about those of the US government.

Do you remember it?

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Sure...

but if your opinion is that the sky is orange, when it's obviously blue, that isn't a valid opinion is it??

The sky filters out red light wavelengths, allowing those wavelengths at the blue end of the spectrum to get through easier.

The sky is mostly, but not totally, transparent.

originally posted by: macaronicaesar

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MaxxAction

Where was any shaming of the unvaxxed in all that?

Whaaaaaaaaaat?
You must have a really short memory.

You have to excuse me, as I am not an American, and so don't know of any shaming of anti-vaxxers that may have happened on US media.

However, I do appreciate that if there are insufficient numbers of people who partake in a vaccination campaign, then community resistance to the pathogen will not be sufficient for the campaign to be effective, and this will lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths.

But none of the published details in the OP were attempting to shame anyone.

I suspect that anti-vaxxers may be feeling guilty, and be interpreting a campaign in favor of vaccination, as shaming them.

Since you are from the UK and since it seems there are many members who are from the UK and also happen to be left wing or left wing activists here is an article from two academics from Oxford


Shaming Unvaccinated People Has To Stop. We’ve Turned Into An Angry Mob And It’s Getting Ugly

blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk...

It seems that shaming is true and it's happening in a large scale. In your country, the UK, and everywhere else. Not only the two academics admit there is shaming of the unvaccinated but they demand it stops immediately. And they use the word 'mob'...

I am not from the UK.

I am Australian citizen permanently resident in New Zealand.

You’re from one of the worst offending countries on earth. How do you take yourself seriously?

Australia or New Zealand are two separate countries, so, I'm not sure which one you are referring to.

I do know that here in New Zealand, the "Be kind, Unite against COVID" campaign is very offensive to people in distant lands.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MaxxAction

Where was any shaming of the unvaxxed in all that?

Whaaaaaaaaaat?
You must have a really short memory.

You have to excuse me, as I am not an American, and so don't know of any shaming of anti-vaxxers that may have happened on US media.

However, I do appreciate that if there are insufficient numbers of people who partake in a vaccination campaign, then community resistance to the pathogen will not be sufficient for the campaign to be effective, and this will lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths.

But none of the published details in the OP were attempting to shame anyone.

I suspect that anti-vaxxers may be feeling guilty, and be interpreting a campaign in favor of vaccination, as shaming them.

Since you are from the UK and since it seems there are many members who are from the UK and also happen to be left wing or left wing activists here is an article from two academics from Oxford


Shaming Unvaccinated People Has To Stop. We’ve Turned Into An Angry Mob And It’s Getting Ugly

blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk...


It seems that shaming is true and it's happening in a large scale. In your country, the UK, and everywhere else. Not only the two academics admit there is shaming of the unvaccinated but they demand it stops immediately. And they use the word 'mob'...

I am not from the UK.

I am Australian citizen permanently resident in New Zealand.

Ok. Good you clarified.

See my post above. Shaming seems to be very real and the two academics argue it must be stopped immediately.

But of all the initiatives being funded by the government and mentioned in the OP, none were specifically for the purpose of shaming anyone.

They were funding to promote a health initiative through the media, and could have been misused to do so, however the idea wasn't about leaving people with a bad feeling. It was to try and get enough people to vaccinate against a prevalent disease.

I did post an article where two academics from the UK were specifically asking for shaming to be stopped. Do you remember it?

The OP was not about any UK initiatives, but was entirely about those of the US government.

Do you remember it?

It doesn't change anything.
The shaming happens pretty much everywhere and I am sure you would agree this isn't the greatest thing. But you did ask to show if there is any evidence of shaming others who haven't been vaccinated. Well... There is plenty!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MaxxAction

Where was any shaming of the unvaxxed in all that?

it never happened. Go play with a Koala.

You do know that they aren't cuddly and gentle, and have claws?

Also... dropbears! They fall out of trees and attack the unwary who are running away from the hoop-snakes.

(in Australia, everything in nature is trying to kill you).

That was why Dude said play with one. It makes more sense than a lot of the things you attempt to get in here.